Posted on 07/06/2002 10:30:33 AM PDT by EggsAckley
Egypt Surprised by Furor over L.A. Shooting
CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's foreign minister expressed surprise on Saturday at the furor over a deadly attack by an Egyptian national at Los Angeles airport, saying the motives were still unclear and similar incidents occurred frequently.
Limousine driver Hesham Mohamed Hadayet opened fire at the Los Angeles airport ticket counter of Israeli airline El Al on July 4, killing two people and injuring five others before he was shot dead.
Egypt's official Middle East News Agency (MENA) said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher told reporters in Cairo that such incidents occur repeatedly in the United States and other countries and said he was surprised by the exaggeration of this event in particular.
Hadayet's nationality and the fact that his two victims were both Jewish have already led Israeli officials to label the shooting a "terrorist attack," but U.S. officials have cautioned against jumping to conclusions.
"Until now, nobody knows the motives behind this incident. We have to await the outcome of the current investigations so that we can review them," MENA quoted Maher as saying.
U.S. investigators are still seeking to establish whether Hadayet, who had been a U.S. resident since 1992 and had no known ties to groups the United States calls "terrorists," was motivated by hatred or despondency over a personal crisis.
Egypt's semi-official al-Ahram daily said on Saturday that local security authorities had no information on record about Hadayet and there was no evidence he had any links to extremist activities when he lived in Egypt.
The issue is particularly sensitive in Egypt, which fought a bloody battle against Islamic militants at home last decade and whose reputation has suffered from revelations that many of the suspected culprits behind the September 11, 2001 suicide hijack attacks on New York and Washington were Egyptian.
Among the most notorious are Ayman al-Zawhari, a top aide of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, and Mohammed Atta, who flew one of the planes that smashed into the World Trade Center.
The Egyptian's wife and two children are currently visiting Egypt on holiday. Hadayet's uncle Mohamed Abdel-Hafiz told Reuters on Friday that his nephew had no links to Islamic militants.
This guy must a graduate of the Hillary Clinton school of downplaying all the overwhelming coincidences...
The Arabs celebrated on their evil calendars (below)
the 911 Atrocities months before 9/01.
These calendars were widespread in Egypt,
thoughout the EU and UN.
They are so clueless!!!!
</sarcasm>
But then I'm not sure that we are working from the same definition of "extremist" as the Egyptians are. Don't they proscribe the death penalty for muslims who convert to Christianity?
OK, Abdul, the last airport shooting in the United States was...when?
Here we have the fruits of the persistent media campaign to terrorize the American public against firearms. This guy believes it, and why not? many Americans do.
They didn't. They inherited them after the flood.
Actually, he has a point. The last shooting on May 22, at the New Orleans airport didnt involve a Middle Easterner. It involved a guy named Patrick Gott, 43, of Pensacola, Fla. Luckily, Mr. Gott didnt kill anyone but, in addition to a gun he was carrying a Quran and invoked the name of Allah.
Funny thing about those "similar incidents" -- they seem to have an underlying theme....but as long as 3,000 people weren't killed and two skyscrapers didn't collapse, or the Pentagon wasn't damaged, you can't possible believe it's terrorism, now can you? Of course, the families of the airport dead and wounded might take a slightly different view.</sarcasm
5 July: Hashem Mohamed Hadayat, 41, who gunned down Yakov Aminov, 46, and Vicky Hen, 25 both from Los Angeles - on the 4th of July at the El Al terminal of Los Angeles, and wounded 7 others, is revealed by DEBKAfiles intelligence and counter-terror sources as a Muslim extremist. During his ten years in the United States,
he was a secret operative of the Egyptian Jihad who maintained undercover links to the same Jihad cell in Brooklyn, New York, as the blind sheikh Abdul Rahim Rahman and Ramzi Yousef. Both are doing time for perpetrating the first attack on the New York World Trade Center in 1993.
Hadayat is also believed to have abetted a previous, contrived airline disaster: On October 31, 1999, an Egyptair Boeing 767 Flight 990, which also took off from Los Angeles airport for Kennedy, New York. After Kennedy, the plane bound for Cairo plunged into the Atlantic off the Nantucket Island, Mass. coast, killing all 217 passengers and crew. In a special probe, the US National Transportation Safety Board found that the copilot Gameel el-Batouty was at the controls when the plane went into its dive. His voice was recorded shouting, I put my faith in Allah!
The report held back from referring more directly to the Egyptian copilots responsibility for the crash. Our sources affirm that Hadayat, who lived in Irvine, California, 70 km south of Los Angeles, knew Batouty well. There are also indications that, in the years 1998 and 1999, Hadayat was in touch with a group of high Egyptian air force officers and helicopter pilots posted at the time at Edwards Base north of Los Angeles.
They were there to learn how to install command and control centers in Egypts air defense systems, operate anti-air missile batteries and fly Apache gunships. Most of those officers were on the doomed Egyptian airliner after completing their courses. Although the long-delayed US Transportation Board report never referred to the presence of this high-ranking Egyptian air force delegation on the flight, DEBKAfile s Washington sources reported at the time that most of the investigators were satisfied that Batouty could not have seized control of the Boeing 767 without the aid certainly the compliance - of those officers.
Two years ago, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak exerted all his influence on President Clinton to keep the federal boards findings out of its published report and, above all, the fact that a group of Egyptian air force officers was on the plane. He warned that citing the Egyptian copilot as deliberately causing the crash would have a negative effect on Egyptian-US relations.
The report therefore fell short of clear conclusions. Hadayats murderous attack on El Al flight 106 passengers points back to the Egyptair 990 disaster of 1999, reviving the many questions left open by that earlier, half stifled inquiry, which carefully stepped round any suggestion of terrorism. It also raises the question of how many sleeper cells the Egyptian Jihad, al Qaedas primary operational arm, maintains in American cities.
Hadayat struck the El Al ticket line on his 42nd birthday. The initial FBI inquiry found through records of his fingerprints at the Department of Motor Vehicles, which issued him with a limousine license, that he was married with at least one child, and had lived in Irvine for the last two years, working on a green card.
Since the attack, the possibility that he arrived in America as a sleeper terrorist must be seriously addressed. US investigators realize he was not a lone operative and are seeking his accomplices in such matters as setting up the hit, providing the guns he carried and intelligence on the security situation at the Tom Brady terminal.
DEBKAfiles Middle East intelligence sources report that early Friday, Egyptian intelligence officers picked up Hadayats relatives and associates in Cairo, to try and trace the identities of his fellows in the American Jihad cell.
See Post #18
You forgot looks like an Arab terrorist. The Egyptian Terrorist shooter at LAX certainly looks more like previous terrorists than he does like a duck:
<===LAX terrorist Hesham Mohamed Hadayet
<=== duck
Among the most notorious are Ayman al-Zawhari, a top aide of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, and Mohammed Atta, who flew one of the planes that smashed into the World Trade Center.
And let's not forget 'the Father of Modern Terrorism' ...the most notorious Egyptian terrorist of them all...:
Arafat
The majority of modern Egyptians are descendants of the Arab invaders that settled in Egypt since the Muslim invasions going back to the 7th century.
The descendants of the ancient Egyptians had by then converted to Christianity and are today represented by the Coptic Christians who comprise aprox 7% of the population and are declining both through emigration and sheer oppression from their Muslim brethren.
Egypt's official Middle East News Agency (MENA) said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher told reporters in Cairo that such incidents occur repeatedly in the United States and other countries and said he was surprised by the exaggeration of this event in particular.
I can remember two shootings in my old memories in an airport at the passenger checkin/ticket area. This one and the clown who claimed to be a Muslim in New Orleans this past May.
Unlike the constant violence that they have in Egypt, this is story is typical of what comes out of the press of the Middle East/
So when do the official mediots of the Middle East like these clowns from Egypt try to lie to us and their people?
Islam is our enemy, I don't buy that BS about a "small minority" of extremists. Not for a minute.
And of course he would know...and be truthful to us infidels...sure he would. Yeah. You betca.
Pat Robertson led a nationwide program to encourage people to read the Bible. They had posters ads and poster all over saying "Read the Book." Does that make Pat Robertson a terrorist?
The Pyramids were built by the Ancient Egyptians. The latest version of the Egyptian language that was spoken in Egypt before it was replaced as a spoken language by Arabic is Coptic. Coptic is still the liturgical language of the Copts, the Christians of Egypt. The Copts are the descendants of the Ancient Egyptians. There's no telling how much of the blood of the Moslems in Egypt is Egyptian, and how much Arabic, but certainly the conversion to Islam drastically changed their culture.
I don't consider the Jordanian Moslems our enemy. And I see the late King Hussein's actions of September, 1970 as an excellent way to deal with the terrorists and fanatics.
But it need not include all Moslems. The Jordanians, the Bedouins in particular, can be our allies in this fight against our common enemy.
On September 6, PFLP gangs hijacked a TWA jet, a Swissair jet, and made an unsuccessful attempt to seize control of an El Al airplane. About two hours later, another PFLP group hijacked a Pan Am jet and forced the crew to fly to Beirut airport, where the airplane landed almost out of fuel. The next day the airliner was flown to the Cairo airport, where it was blown up only seconds after the 176 passengers and crew had completed their three-minute forced evacuation.King Hussein viewed the hijackings as a direct threat to his authority in Jordan. In response, on September 16 he reaffirmed martial law and named Brigadier Muhammad Daud to head a cabinet composed of army officers. At the same time, the king appointed Field Marshal Habis al Majali, a fiercely proroyalist beduin, commander in chief of the armed forces and military governor of Jordan. Hussein gave Majali full powers to implement the martial law regulations and to quell the fedayeen. The new government immediately ordered the fedayeen to lay down their arms and to evacuate the cities. On the same day, Arafat became supreme commander of the Palestine Liberation Army (PLA), the regular military force of the PLO.
During a bitterly fought ten-day civil war, primarily between the PLA and Jordan Arab Army, Syria sent about 200 tanks to aid the fedayeen. On September 17, however, Iraq began a rapid withdrawal of its 12,000-man force stationed near Az Zarqa. The United States Navy dispatched the Sixth Fleet to the eastern Mediterranean, and Israel undertook "precautionary military deployments" to aid Hussein, if necessary, against the guerrilla forces. Under attack from the Jordanian army and in response to outside pressures, the Syrian forces began to withdraw from Jordan on September 24, having lost more than half their armor in fighting with the Jordanians. The fedayeen found themselves on the defensive throughout Jordan and agreed on September 25 to a cease-fire. At the urging of the Arab heads of state, Hussein and Arafat signed the cease-fire agreement in Cairo on September 27. The agreement called for rapid withdrawal of the guerrilla forces from Jordanian cities and towns to positions "appropriate" for continuing the battle with Israel and for the release of prisoners by both sides. A supreme supervisory committee was to implement the provisions of the agreement. On September 26, Hussein appointed a new cabinet; however, army officers continued to head the key defense and interior ministries.
On October 13, Hussein and Arafat signed a further agreement in Amman, under which the fedayeen were to recognize Jordanian sovereignty and the king's authority, to withdraw their armed forces from towns and villages, and to refrain from carrying arms outside their camps. In return the government agreed to grant amnesty to the fedayeen for incidents that had occurred during the civil war.
The civil war caused great material destruction in Jordan, and the number of fighters killed on all sides was estimated as high as 3,500. In spite of the September and October agreements, fighting continued, particularly in Amman, Irbid, and Jarash, where guerrilla forces had their main bases. Hussein appointed Wasfi at Tal as his new prime minister and minister of defense to head a cabinet of fifteen civilian and two military members. The cabinet also included seven Palestinians. Tal, known to be a staunch opponent of the guerrilla movement, was directed by Hussein to comply with the cease-fire agreements; furthermore, according to Hussein's written directive, the government's policy was to be based on "the restoration of confidence between the Jordanian authorities and the Palestinian resistance movement, cooperation with the Arab states, the strengthening of national unity, striking with an iron hand at all persons spreading destructive rumors, paying special attention to the armed forces and the freeing of the Arab lands occupied by Israel in the war of June 1967." The closing months of 1970 and the first six months of 1971 were marked by a series of broken agreements and by continued battles between the guerrilla forces and the Jordanian army, which continued its drive to oust the fedayeen from the populated areas.
Persistent pressure by the army compelled the fedayeen to withdraw from Amman in April 1971. Feeling its existence threatened, Al Fatah abandoned its earlier posture of noninvolvement in the internal affairs of an Arab state and issued a statement demanding the overthrow of the Jordanian "puppet separatist authority." In a subsequent early May statement, it called for "national rule" in Jordan. Against this background of threats to his authority, Hussein struck at the remaining guerrilla forces in Jordan.
In response to rumors that the PLO was planning to form a government-in-exile, Hussein in early June directed Tal to "deal conclusively and without hesitation with the plotters who want to establish a separate Palestinian state and destroy the unity of the Jordanian and Palestinian people." On July 13, the Jordanian army undertook an offensive against fedayeen bases about fifty kilometers northwest of Amman in the Ajlun area--the fedayeen's last stronghold. Tal announced that the Cairo and Amman agreements, which had regulated relations between the fedayeen and the Jordanian governments, were no longer operative. On July 19, the government announced that the remainder of the bases in northern Jordan had been destroyed and that 2,300 of the 2,500 fedayeen had been arrested. A few days later, many of the captured Palestinians were released either to leave for other Arab countries or to return to a peaceful life in Jordan. Hussein became virtually isolated from the rest of the Arab world, which accused him of harsh treatment of the fedayeen and denounced him as being responsible for the deaths of so many of his fellow Arabs.
In November members of the Black September terrorist group--who took their name from the civil war of September 1970--avenged the deaths of fellow fedayeen by assassinating Prime Minister Tal in Cairo. In December the group again struck out against Hussein in an unsuccessful attempt on the life of the Jordanian ambassador to Britain. Hussein alleged that Libya's Colonel Muammar al Qadhafi was involved in a plot to overthrow the monarchy.
In March 1973, Jordanian courts convicted seventeen Black September fedayeen charged with plotting to kidnap the prime minister and other cabinet ministers and to hold them hostage in exchange for the release of a few hundred fedayeen captured during the civil war. Hussein subsequently commuted the death sentences to life imprisonment "for humanitarian reasons" and, in response to outside Arab pressures, in September released the prisoners-- including their leader Muhammad Daud Auda (also known as Abu Daud)- -under a general amnesty.
Yep, wait until Mubarak pressures Bush to "sanitize" the official report just like he did Clinton on the final report of the AirEgypt tanking.
Oh, and theses things DO happen everyday. THAT's THE PROBLEM Doofus!
You mean you don't remember Die Hard 2 starring Bruce Willis?
(A big reason, of course, that so many foreigners think Americans are wading around knee-deep in guns is because the only images they get of this country are from the movies :)
He forgot more than that. He should have cc:'d
the FBI
Dubya
Dubya's media advisers
SF Chronicle
NYT
WP
LA Times
State Dept
State Dept, Saudi Arabia division
CNN
Peter Jennings
MSNBC
Time Magazine
Calypso Louie
Cynthia McKinney
Hillary Clinton
The Guardian
Well, maybe the list is just too long to enumerate.
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