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Al-Hayat: LAX gunman may have met with bin Laden deputy
Ha'aretz ^ | 7/07/02 | Zohar Blumenkrantz and Benny Landau, Ha'aretz Correspondents, Ha'aretz Service and agencies

Posted on 07/07/2002 1:19:17 AM PDT by kattracks

Authorities are investigating whether Hesham Mohammed Hadayet, the Egyptian who gunned down two people at Los Angeles International Airport last Thursday, met in the United States with Osama bin Laden's deputy, an Arabic paper reported at the weekend.

The London-based Al-Hayat said that authorities were checking whether Hadayet had met with Ayman Al-Zawahiri in 1995 and again in 1998, while the latter was head of the Al-Jihad organization in Egypt.

Al-Zawahiri, who visited California in 1998, went on to become bin Laden's right-hand man. His current whereabouts are unknown.

Hadayet, 41, was shot dead by an El Al security official soon after opening fire on the crowd of people queuing at the ticket counter of Israel's national carrier.

The U.S. government had started deportation proceedings in 1996 against Hadayet but he gained U.S. residency the following year when his wife received a valid visa, officials said Saturday.

It wasn't clear what caused the Immigration and Naturalization Service to reject Hadayet's first petition for residency and begin the deportation process, INS spokesman Francisco Arcaute said.

A year later, in 1997, Hadayet was granted permanent resident status because his wife, Hala, had become a permanent resident, Arcaute said. The INS allows foreign nationals to work and live in the United States if they have a relative who is a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.

Hadayet's uncle, Hassan Mostaffa Mahfouz, told The Associated Press in Egypt that Hadayet was happy in the United States and had only about a year remaining before he qualified for U.S. citizenship.

"I don't believe what happened," Mahfouz said.

The two people killed in the attack at El Al's ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport were identified as Ya'akov Aminov, 47, and El Al stewardess Vicky Chen, both of them residents of Los Angeles, Israel Radio reported Friday morning. (Click here for more on the victims.)

Egypt FM surprised at furor over El Al shooting
Egypt's foreign minister expressed surprise Saturday at the furor over a deadly attack by an Egyptian national at Los Angeles airport, saying the motives were still unclear and similar incidents occurred frequently.

Egypt's official Middle East News Agency (MENA) said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher told reporters in Cairo that such incidents occur repeatedly in the United States and other countries and said he was surprised by the exaggeration of this event in particular.

"Until now, nobody knows the motives behind this incident. We have to await the outcome of the current investigations so that we can review them," MENA quoted Maher as saying.

Egypt's semi-official al-Ahram daily said Saturday that local security authorities had no information on record about Hadayet and there was no evidence he had any links to extremist activities when he lived in Egypt.

Ex-employee tells NY Times: Hadayet 'had hate for Israel'
In an interview to The New York Times published Saturday, a former employee of Hadayet that he "often heard his boss express virulent anti-Israeli sentiments."

Hadayet "had hate for Israel, for sure," Syrian-born Abdul Zahab told The New York Times. "He told me that the Israelis tried to destroy the Egyptian nation and the Egyptian population by sending prostitutes with AIDS to Egypt. He said that the two biggest drug dealers in New York are Israeli."

The FBI said Friday it had no indication suggesting that the attack was an act of terrorism, but said the gunman's motive was still unclear. (Click here for a look inside El Al security.)

"He was not on any FBI or FAA watch list," FBI agent Richard Garcia told a news conference. He added that authorities still had several days work to do "to determine whether this person acted in an act of terrorism."

"We have not determined whether he had any anti-Israeli views," Garcia said, adding that it was still "very difficult to determine the exact motive" for the shooting.

The FBI said earlier that Hadayet apparently was not connected to any terror organizations, and probably acted on his own.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hadayat; hadayet; jihadinamerica; laxshooter

1 posted on 07/07/2002 1:19:17 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
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2 posted on 07/07/2002 1:25:41 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: kattracks
It may take a while but this looks to me like a planned terror attack.
3 posted on 07/07/2002 1:29:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It was an isolated incident- an ISOLATED INCIDENT. Don't you ever listen?!
4 posted on 07/07/2002 2:47:37 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: kattracks
...Al-Zawahiri, who visited California in 1998, went on to become bin Laden's right-hand man...

Why the heck was this guy allowed to enter the United States? Add this to the Clinton Legacy - our security agencies were asleep at the switch while the bent one received favors from interns and campaign donors. Pathetic.

5 posted on 07/07/2002 3:24:50 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: kattracks
Let me just play the devil's advocate a minute with this one.

Haaretz says this was reported by An Arab Newspaper.

Say that you are Al Qaeda and you've promised something on the Fourth, something big, plus a video proclaiming Bin Laden and your movement is still alive.

No video appears, nothing big happens, but a terrorist (and I'll use that term in the sense that he inflicted terror) manages to kill a couple people.

Now the press is taunting, as I've read this morning, "So, where was the big attack, Bin Laden must be dead, etc."

Wouldn't you try to salvage some credibility, if you were a Bin Laden follower, by linking your organization to the terrorist? Saying in essence, "See, we did do something. You're wrong to claim Bin Laden is dead and his organization didn't follow through on their promise."

Just another perspective, which I don't necessarily believe, but popped into my mind this AM, but of course, I haven't had my coffee yet, so things may look alot different after a nice big cup of coffee, LOL.

6 posted on 07/07/2002 3:57:09 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: kattracks
Golly, this is scarey stuff. But at least the mayor of LA said it was an isolated incident.
7 posted on 07/07/2002 3:57:30 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: dawn53
If this shoots was the big 4th of July attack, it's no wonder the rag heads are having self-esteem problems these days.
8 posted on 07/07/2002 4:11:47 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: kattracks
THIS LIMO SLOB: on a watch list in some reports, not on a watch list in other reports-HUH?
9 posted on 07/07/2002 5:22:59 AM PDT by 1234
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To: joyful1
This stuff is scary? What's so scary about a guy going into a public building and blowing away a couple of people before the authorities blow him away? Doesn't this happen every day?

My heavens, if this is the best 'they' can do, I say bring it on.

We have more to fear using the ATM.

10 posted on 07/07/2002 5:41:17 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
From the reports I've seen, al Zawahiri came in with a fake passport: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/people/shows/zawahiri/profile.html

While tending to the wounded in Afghanistan, al-Zawahiri also worked to re-establish al Jihad. He eventually began traveling to broaden his network. In 1995, using an alias, al-Zawahiri even visited California on a secret fund-raising mission.

11 posted on 07/07/2002 5:46:47 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"It may take a while but this looks to me like a planned terror attack."

Terrorists acting independently in tiny groups or alone will probably not show up on any federal agency watch list. I guess that one important indicator is if the Muslim sends the family out of the country. But, who can track that?

12 posted on 07/07/2002 5:53:46 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
It might also be important to track the family who has returned to see if they get "paid off."
13 posted on 07/07/2002 5:55:57 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: dawn53
I am not sure they would want to trying claiming this event as one of their big, planned terrorist attacks. They would be laughed off the planet. It would be better to say nothing, and try looking wise and dangerous, even if it is not true. They always have the cover of not having anything at all planned for the Fourth.
14 posted on 07/07/2002 5:56:59 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: kattracks
Just a thought I'm sure buy now most of you have heard this man's birthday was given the 1st was April 7th and then new came out that his B-day was July 4th. Has anyone thought that this wasn't a birthday but an ACTIVATION date. Also anything more on the granddaughter of ( I forgot this early morning, but you know what I mean )?
15 posted on 07/07/2002 5:58:31 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: kattracks
The Egyptian who shot up the El Al ticket counter could be a terrorist? Gasp! < /sarcasm>

16 posted on 07/07/2002 5:59:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: OXENinFLA
oops.. The granddaughter being on the flight or in line at the time of the shooting.
17 posted on 07/07/2002 6:00:25 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: kattracks
The FBI said Friday it had no indication suggesting that the attack was an act of terrorism, but said the gunman's motive was still unclear. (Click here for a look inside El Al security.)

"He was not on any FBI or FAA watch list," FBI agent Richard Garcia told a news conference. He added that authorities still had several days work to do "to determine whether this person acted in an act of terrorism."


Sounds a lot like Janet Reno when she was "investigating" Algore and the Buddhist temple stuff.
18 posted on 07/07/2002 6:08:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: anniegetyourgun
The FBI has it's sources. I guess they will investigate all angles, hopefully. What they tell us will probably be 180 degrees from the truth.
19 posted on 07/07/2002 6:11:31 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: kattracks
Not surprising...but then, how many of us thought he WASN'T a terrorist, hmmmmmmm?
20 posted on 07/07/2002 7:01:44 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Catspaw
You are correct, the claim has been made that Zawahiri visited California last in 1995, not 1998 as Haaretz reports.
21 posted on 07/07/2002 7:02:34 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: kattracks
So much that the FBI says is just P.C. crap -- like whether this may be a "hate crime" rather than terrorism. Huh?

And what of the non-distinctive distinction that maybe the killer was "depressed" rather than a terrorist? Do you think maybe those things aren't exactly mutually exclusive? That maybe well-adjusted clear-thinking people aren't going to throw their lives away for a fleeting moment of Pan-Arabic glory, but rather maybe the terrorist groups prey on the stupid, manipulatable, and depressed? For example, did Richard Reid strike anybody as a rocket-scientist type?

I could go on and on...

22 posted on 07/07/2002 7:21:37 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: gaspar
Ha'aretz claims that Zawahiri visited the US in 1995, but they add in a visit in 1998. They may have more information that I do (or CNN).
23 posted on 07/07/2002 8:19:27 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: kattracks
"If they did meet - it was just an isolated meeting."

-Richard Garcia, FBI Special as-in-Olympics Agent

24 posted on 07/07/2002 8:25:18 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: kattracks
The fact is that Jews are dead and injured.

That speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what the FBI is saying at all.

25 posted on 07/07/2002 8:28:45 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: cake_crumb
If "Mohammed" is any part of his name, he was a terrorist.
26 posted on 07/07/2002 8:30:54 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: Jeff Chandler
LOL....My thoughts exactly
27 posted on 07/07/2002 8:34:08 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: Catspaw
I am sorry that the prime minister of Egypt has such a hard time believing this incident, but recent history is causing me to believe that the Egyptians have a difficult time accepting reality.

The Egyptian Pilot who took down the plane after repeating " Allah is great" and then crashing into the Atlantic.

Mohammad Atta's father saying that his son wasn't involved in 9-11 and further claiming that he was still talking to him on the phone.

And this event. Even though if it is terrorism it is a pretty lousy attempt.
28 posted on 07/07/2002 8:41:12 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; OKCSubmariner
According to an article I read several months ago, Zawahiri was accompanied, during his trip to California, by that guy Ali Mohammed, another Egyptian, who was a double agent, who worked for the Army and the FBI, and who eventually was arrested and convicted of terrorism.
29 posted on 07/07/2002 8:42:21 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: kattracks
Are there radical mosques in the L.A. area? Do we know what mosque(s) Hadayet attended?
30 posted on 07/07/2002 8:42:57 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: OXENinFLA
I too think July 4th was picked as a birthdate on some of this guy's documents to permit coded messages (One of his last phone calls, to Egypt, apparently involved celebration of his "birthday.")
31 posted on 07/07/2002 8:45:28 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Why the heck was this guy allowed to enter the United States? Add this to the Clinton Legacy - our security agencies were asleep at the switch while the bent one received favors from interns and campaign donors. Pathetic."

A guy named Mooheab Kahn brought al-Zawahiri into the US under a false passport for a fud raiser for Bin Laden. The LA FBI has a huge file on this. The Orange County mosque is one of the largest in California and is very militant. BTW, Kahn kid Suhael used to work in the White House under Bush and was instrumental in organizing those Muslim photo ops in the rose garden with Bush after 911. When the USSS found out about Kahn’s family past it kind of when ballistic. So the kid now work at DOE as a PIO.

32 posted on 07/07/2002 8:54:37 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: Jeff Chandler
It was an isolated incident- an ISOLATED INCIDENT. Don't you ever listen?!

Yes just like the 1993 attack on the WTC was an isolated incident so the FBI was totally off-guard when it was attacked again in 2001.

33 posted on 07/07/2002 9:27:24 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Look how long it took the Saudis to acknowledge that 15 out of the 19 hijackers were really Saudis.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. It runs through Riyadh, too.

34 posted on 07/07/2002 9:38:02 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: *JIHAD IN AMERICA
Index Bump
35 posted on 07/07/2002 9:49:33 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: kattracks
This guy had to get instructions for going to an airport nd randomly gunning people down?? What's with all the detailed planning for actions that nuts compulsively carry out on their own every year?
36 posted on 07/07/2002 10:14:12 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: crystalk
"If "Mohammed" is any part of his name, he was a terrorist."

Hmmmm.....the tinfoil hatter in me is wondering if recent events indicate that it's now the turn of the Egyptian cells to take shot at the terrorism.

37 posted on 07/07/2002 10:28:53 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; kattracks
a planned terror attack.

The all-too-real scenario is that this guy hoped to hijack the plane, etc.

It shouldn't be forgotten that 30 miles away at the exact same time Al-Hayat was shooting his way through LAX, a small plane was sending out three "Maydays" before it plowed into a crowd of picnickers.

Forty-eight hours later, the U.S. issues an alert, warning owners of small planes to be on the look-out for terrorists who would hijack or sabatoge their aircraft.

Vigilance.

38 posted on 07/07/2002 10:57:34 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: kattracks
Israelis tried to destroy the Egyptian nation and the Egyptian population by sending prostitutes with AIDS to Egypt. He said that the two biggest drug dealers in New York are Israeli."

So.... don't do drugs or visit prostitutes. It's probably easier to avoid drug dealers and pimps in Egypt than it is to avoid homicide bombers in Israel.

A livery service could be a great front for terrorism. Bosses and employees can come in contact with a certain (terrorist) segment of the public in a seemingly random pattern, which might sometimes be planned.

39 posted on 07/07/2002 11:29:00 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
a planned terror attack.

An item came over the radio yesterday and caught my attention: the gunman's wife and children were in Egypt at the time. They had left in June.

More circumstantial evidence that this was planned, if you ask me.

40 posted on 07/07/2002 11:29:04 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
The Egyptian Pilot who took down the plane after repeating " Allah is great" and then crashing into the Atlantic.

I thought he was saying "Allah is a grape". thx for straightening me out.

41 posted on 07/07/2002 11:44:41 AM PDT by zip
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To: zip
Weird, I thought I read he was plugging a new restaurant, "Allah Snackbar!" ;0)
42 posted on 07/07/2002 1:14:48 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: habaes corpussel
The Orange County mosque is one of the largest in California and is very militant.

Did Hadayet attend this mosque?

43 posted on 07/07/2002 3:22:22 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Yep!
44 posted on 07/07/2002 4:32:10 PM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: kattracks
"A year later, in 1997, Hadayet was granted permanent resident status because his wife, Hala, had become a permanent resident, Arcaute said. The INS allows foreign nationals to work and live in the United States if they have a relative who is a U.S. citizen or permanent resident."

How Do I Participate in the Diversity Visa Lottery Program?

45 posted on 07/07/2002 6:47:54 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: kattracks
Just walks up and blows away some beautiful, sweet faced young girl who was going to get engaged later that day. Not many bad things in life bother me, but stuff like that tears me up. Glad I'm not in positions of high authority, because there would be some severe carnage that would commence in short order. I'd start with that radical mosque in Orange county and work from there.
46 posted on 07/07/2002 11:30:36 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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