I didn't make these rules; they follow from the logic of common sense. 
Posted on 07/07/2002 11:36:24 AM PDT by vance
Bingo. Nothing like cutting to the heart of the matter.
That's an interesting way of putting it, and I think you are probably right. Satan works in strange and devious ways when he wants something not to be known. Put a topic (or those who study it) in a bad light, and even simple truth may remain off-limits and hidden for a long long time.
Here is a blatant example of editorializing scripture to make it look like it came from Paul. First the King James Version, echoed by almost every other Translation, then the Worldwide English.
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Romans 3:2 :: New King James Version (NKJV)
Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
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Romans 3:2 :: Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
It is much better in every way. First, God's law was given to the Jews.
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(WE) gives the false impression that Paul said Jews received something, exclusively, probably via Moses. In fact, Moses himself was not a Jew, and there were no Jews on the horizon for another thousand years. Moses was an Israelite, like those of all of the 12 Tribes to whom he gave the Ten Commandments and more.
15. And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16. And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17. Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is a hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18. And Abraham said unto God, O that Ish'ma-el might live before thee!
19. And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20. And as for Ish'ma-el, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Etc....
This covenent went from Isaac through Jacob/Israel to all 12 of His Sons, and to ALL of their offspring. It was not a covenent to be exclusive with Jews, who came from ... (please click on my LostTribe Profile below for the 3-MINUTE HISTORY.)
Is this the covenant you were asking about?
Like I said, I don't prove negatives. If I'm upset, I'll let you know, or, there will be no doubt if I am actually upset.
And as far as my "protection" is concerned, your concern isn't necessary nor appreciated.
I didn't make these rules; they follow from the logic of common sense.
15. And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16. And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
Verse 16 is often ignored but is important. Only the Northern Kingdom has been the mother of nations and producer of Kings. Virtually all the Celtic nations of northern and western Europe either has or has had a King as part of it's history.
By contrast, the Southern Kingdom has never become a great people or great nation, even to this day.
Nope, most congressmen of any stripe have no values.
Too many jumps, or just having trouble adjusting? Around here you get the respect you EARN. Right now your bank account doesn't look too healthy.
Incidently, "hoss" means strong, large, resilient, potent, tough, compelling.
Call them Jews, Hebrews, Israelites or whatever you like, the covenant people are the Jews.
The "telltale" sign of any of these people is circumcision. It is not a "Jewish" thing. It is Hebrew, it is Israelite, it is from Abraham's covenant with God. It is so vital to the identity that even Moslems, also Abraham's descendants, follow this obligation.
It was practiced by all the "Israelites".
It is something not easily forgotten. If the Northern tribes retained any sort of identity they too would follow this most sacred obligation. In reality the Northern tribes assimilated into non existence.
Were the Celts or your other claimants big on circumcision?
As to Jews being a great nation. They are small in number. But in their influence on the world not least of which birthing Christianity they are the greatest nation the world has ever known.
Jews- so may hate them. So may want to be them even if it takes fairy tale theories.
If my "bank account" is lacking in your eyes, I'll take that as a compliment (hint: this should tell you something).
Certainly they are. The point is that they are not the only covenant people.
In reality the Northern tribes assimilated into non existence.
Then how do you expain Hosea 1:10, 11?
10: Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11: Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
The Jews certainly don't number "the sand of the sea" and won't in any forseeable century. If The House of Israel were "assimilated into non existence", what, then, would Hosea 1:11 be about?
Your thoughts on this prophecy of God, and why He mentions Judah (Jews) apart from Israel?
As to Jews being a great nation. They are small in number. But in their influence on the world not least of which birthing Christianity they are the greatest nation the world has ever known.
Yes, The Jew did "birth" Christianity in that they were the source tribe of Jesus, but they never acknowledged Him, and as was God's purpose, were intrumental in his "death". (For those who fault the Jews for this, one must remember that Jesus' mission on the Earth was to die. If He wasn't killed, He would had failed in His mission. And He knew this, He knew the Jews would be intrumental in it, and He knew it was God's will.)
The Jews are not current "a great nation" in any other sense of the word. They exist as a country at all with the backing and support of the US.
It's really OUR oil we were defending. If you are old enough to remember the long lines at the gas stations that had gas in 1983 (not to mention the market crash) you'll have some clue as to why. What do we get from Israel for our billions? Well, Congresspeople get around $5 million contributed to their campaign chests each year.
That's right on target!
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