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Pillars of the Postmodern Age (link list)
See separate Freep links below | July 7, 2002 | Peter Kreeft via JMJ333

Posted on 07/07/2002 8:03:58 PM PDT by polemikos

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To: tpaine
Nice to see you. =)

I read your post and disagree with it. The sweeping dismissla is rather general. He doesn't address any real points made in any of the articles. I thought he was very concise and to the point about each, writing from a Catholic perspective. Do you have a philosher that you favor?

61 posted on 07/08/2002 12:36:11 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: tpaine
"He" being Kreeft. Sorry.
62 posted on 07/08/2002 12:37:02 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I hear that sentiment echoed here quite a bit.

Amen to that.

63 posted on 07/08/2002 12:46:30 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: JMJ333
Gaiman is a favorite of mine. - Here is 'Cat' Humphrey on some of his concepts.



Gaiman on Post Modern Concepts of Desublimation

Catherine L. C. Humphrey
Department of Politics, University of California

1. Gaiman and conceptualist desublimation
"Culture is fundamentally a legal fiction," says Foucault. Therefore, many situationisms concerning the neomaterial paradigm of consensus exist.
If one examines conceptualist desublimation, one is faced with a choice: either reject textual socialism or conclude that the purpose of the poet is deconstruction. Baudrillard uses the term 'conceptualist desublimation' to denote a self-referential paradox. However, a number of discourses concerning the common ground between society and consciousness may be discovered.
In the works of Gaiman, a predominant concept is the concept of postconceptualist narrativity. The subject is interpolated into a dialectic sublimation that includes sexuality as a totality. It could be said that Debord promotes the use of conceptualist desublimation to modify and attack society.
If one examines the subcultural paradigm of reality, one is faced with a choice: either accept conceptualist desublimation or conclude that the establishment is unattainable, given that art is interchangeable with truth. Derrida uses the term 'the subcultural paradigm of reality' to denote a capitalist paradox. In a sense, Sontag suggests the use of neocultural deappropriation to challenge capitalism.
In the works of Gaiman, a predominant concept is the distinction between feminine and masculine. Conceptualist desublimation states that consensus is created by communication. Therefore, the primary theme of the works of Gaiman is the defining characteristic, and eventually the paradigm, of textual class.
The main theme of Sargeant's[1] analysis of the subcultural paradigm of reality is not discourse, as Baudrillard would have it, but prediscourse. Many desublimations concerning textual socialism exist. It could be said that the subject is contextualised into a conceptualist desublimation that includes narrativity as a totality.
If one examines textual socialism, one is faced with a choice: either reject neocapitalist appropriation or conclude that sexual identity has significance, but only if the premise of textual socialism is invalid. Any number of narratives concerning the role of the artist as observer may be revealed. In a sense, the subject is interpolated into a subcultural paradigm of reality that includes language as a paradox.
If textual socialism holds, we have to choose between the subcultural paradigm of reality and Foucaultist power relations. However, conceptualist desublimation suggests that art is intrinsically responsible for sexism.
In Sandman, Gaiman affirms the subcultural paradigm of reality; in Death: The High Cost of Living he deconstructs textual socialism. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a conceptualist desublimation that includes narrativity as a reality.
Sontag promotes the use of the subcultural paradigm of reality to read class. But the characteristic theme of the works of Gaiman is the rubicon, and some would say the futility, of prematerial society.
An abundance of desituationisms concerning conceptualist desublimation exist. However, the without/within distinction which is a central theme of Gaiman's Black Orchid is also evident in Sandman, although in a more mythopoetical sense.
Lyotard suggests the use of the subcultural paradigm of reality to deconstruct class divisions. In a sense, the primary theme of Finnis's[2] model of conceptualist desublimation is the role of the poet as writer.
The subject is interpolated into a subcultural paradigm of reality that includes consciousness as a whole. Thus, Lacan promotes the use of conceptualist desublimation to analyse and modify sexual identity.
In Death: The High Cost of Living, Gaiman affirms postcapitalist narrative; in Sandman, however, he reiterates the subcultural paradigm of reality. But Foucault's essay on conceptualist desublimation holds that class, paradoxically, has objective value, given that narrativity is equal to sexuality.
Geoffrey[3] implies that we have to choose between textual socialism and conceptualist socialism. It could be said that several modernisms concerning a precultural totality may be found.
2. Expressions of absurdity
In the works of Gibson, a predominant concept is the concept of textual language. Sartre suggests the use of conceptualist desublimation to challenge hierarchy. However, a number of narratives concerning neostructural dialectic theory exist.
"Class is dead," says Baudrillard. Conceptualist desublimation states that the Constitution is fundamentally responsible for archaic, sexist perceptions of reality. Therefore, Foucault uses the term 'the subcultural paradigm of reality' to denote the paradigm, and hence the economy, of postconceptual sexual identity.
In the works of Gibson, a predominant concept is the distinction between destruction and creation. The characteristic theme of the works of Gibson is the role of the reader as writer. In a sense, Sontag promotes the use of conceptualist desublimation to read narrativity.
If one examines textual socialism, one is faced with a choice: either accept dialectic rationalism or conclude that society has significance, but only if the premise of conceptualist desublimation is valid; if that is not the case, the significance of the poet is social comment. If textual socialism holds, we have to choose between neostructural materialism and Lyotardist narrative. Thus, Porter[4] holds that the works of Gibson are postmodern.
"Sexuality is part of the genre of language," says Foucault. An abundance of narratives concerning a mythopoetical reality may be revealed. However, Derrida suggests the use of the subcultural paradigm of reality to attack sexism.
The subject is contextualised into a conceptualist desublimation that includes culture as a paradox. But many conceptualisms concerning textual socialism exist.
Baudrillard's analysis of the subcultural paradigm of reality suggests that sexuality serves to marginalize minorities. However, Lacan uses the term 'conceptualist desublimation' to denote the difference between class and sexual identity. Sontag promotes the use of the subcultural paradigm of reality to modify and analyse society. Thus, the subject is interpolated into a textual socialism that includes language as a reality.
In Count Zero, Gibson denies cultural narrative; in Idoru, although, he examines the subcultural paradigm of reality. But the subject is contextualised into a textual socialism that includes art as a totality.
Sartre suggests the use of conceptualist desublimation to deconstruct the status quo. Therefore, the main theme of von Junz's[5] model of neomodern libertarianism is the meaninglessness, and some would say the stasis, of cultural class.
Bataille uses the term 'conceptualist desublimation' to denote the bridge between consciousness and society. However, a number of materialisms concerning not narrative, but prenarrative may be discovered.
Foucault promotes the use of the subcultural paradigm of reality to challenge class. Thus, if subdialectic textual theory holds, we have to choose between the subcultural paradigm of reality and predeconstructive socialism.
1. Sargeant, Y. N. U. (1994) Discourses of Absurdity: Textual socialism and conceptualist desublimation. Harvard University Press
2. Finnis, G. ed. (1981) Conceptualist desublimation and textual socialism. O'Reilly & Associates
3. Geoffrey, C. F. A. (1975) The Defining characteristic of Sexual identity: Conceptualist desublimation in the works of Gibson. Oxford University Press
4. Porter, R. ed. (1992) Textual socialism and conceptualist desublimation. University of Illinois Press
5. von Junz, M. Q. (1973) Reinventing Modernism: Conceptualist desublimation in the works of Gibson. Schlangekraft
64 posted on 07/08/2002 1:14:11 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
I'd agree that pop culture is certainly being used to change the fabric of society, if that is indeed what was being said with the use of the term "conceptualist desublimation."
65 posted on 07/08/2002 1:37:16 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I'd agree that pop culture is certainly being used to change the fabric of society, if that is indeed what was being said with the use of the term "conceptualist desublimation." - JMJ333 -

In the works of Gibson, a predominant concept is the concept of textual language. Sartre suggests the use of conceptualist desublimation to challenge hierarchy. However, a number of narratives concerning neostructural dialectic theory exist. "Class is dead," says Baudrillard. Conceptualist desublimation states that the Constitution is fundamentally responsible for archaic, sexist perceptions of reality. --

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The above quote may help explain. -- Can you agree as to the remark on the constitution?

66 posted on 07/08/2002 3:38:00 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
The constitution is fundamentally responsible for archaic, sexist perceptions of reality? To whom? Sontag and her munchkin-brained cronies? Sometimes I wonder if these people smoke crack. I guess we should just hold ourselves another convention led by the feminazis. That way we'll set things proper. This time around we make guns, SUVs and men unconstitutional.

67 posted on 07/08/2002 3:45:05 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I know. It's still not fair. It's not his fault his writings were twisted beyond his control.
68 posted on 07/08/2002 10:20:40 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: tpaine
I was told you put that stuff from some random generator. It doesn't embarrass me that I thought you were being serious, because I always try to think the best of people. =)
69 posted on 07/09/2002 6:55:55 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: x
Courtesy of Monty Python,

"Ohhhhh, Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel.
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as shloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietszche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates himself was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato they say could stick it away,
Half a crate of whiskey every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a buggar for the bottle.
Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart
'I drink, therefore I am!'

Yes Socrates himself is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pissed."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

70 posted on 07/09/2002 9:51:39 AM PDT by LonePalm
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