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Vouchers and Government Control
LewRockwell ^ | July 6, 2002 | Vouchers and Government Control

Posted on 07/08/2002 7:05:12 AM PDT by capecodder

Many libertarians cannot contain their enthusiasm over the Supreme Court’s decision last Thursday in Zelman v. Simmons-Harris. This 5-4 decision allows Cleveland, Ohio parents to use federal education money, otherwise known as vouchers, to send their children to private (and religiously-based) as well as public schools. It has been described as a major victory for school choice. Some writers are even comparing this decision to Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas.

For example, Joseph Bast of the Chicago-based Heartland Institute wrote: "This is a major victory for civil liberties and for low-income families who are trapped in under-performing public schools. From now on, school vouchers are now clearly the preferred way to improve the quality of schools for all children. This decision is one of several recent developments, among them Florida’s first state-wide voucher plan and Secretary of Education Rod Paige’s advocacy of vouchers, showing the growing momentum for the school choice movement. Government schools cannot remain islands of centralized government control in a world of free markets and private innovation. Change is coming, and not even teacher unions will be able to block the door much longer."

Likewise, Clint Bolick, of the Washington-based Institute for Justice and the author of a forthcoming book Voucher Wars to be published early next year by the Cato Institute, stated that "[n]early half a century ago, the U.S. Supreme Court made a sacred promise of equal educational opportunities for all school children. On Thursday, June 27, it made good on that promise." Bolick adds that the Court has "recognized … that school choice is not about establishing religion, but expanding educational opportunities for children who need them desperately."

Libertarian enthusiasm for vouchers is not a new development. A few years ago, in What It Means to Be a Libertarian, Charles Murray wrote: "I side with those who are prepared to accept government funding…. Parents of every school-age child would be given a chit worth of a certain sum of money that they could take to any school they wanted… How big should the voucher be? About $3,000 a year seems right, though the amount is open to discussion…. The point of the voucher is … to give parents options…. If $3,000 turned out to be too low to achieve the desired effects, it could be increased."

Murray’s remarks are interesting, given their implications. Let’s do some quick arithmetic. With roughly 53.1 million school-age children, suppose there was a voucher of $3,000 for each child. That would add $159.3 billion per year to the federal education budget and make it five times what it is now! A libertarian who would expand instead of contract the federal budget? Surely something is amiss here.

Libertarian philosopher Tibor R. Machan expresses a far more cautious endorsement. In a forthcoming article he singles out the notion that in a society characterized by ever-expansionist government we achieve "a very minimal victory" given that the Supreme Court was persuaded of the justice for parents of having "the state give them (back?) some funds so as to pay instead for the private education they select for their children." Professor Machan observes that the one "vital favorable aspect of the court’s decision is that citizens will have an easier time to get out of the tyranny, the one-size-fits-all, the indoctrination filled public education system." Despite inherent faults in the voucher idea we should support it because "a small step will have been taken toward removing the state from its position as the sole word on history, civics, religion, biology, sex, marriage, social science and what have you. The voucher programs, despite their marred nature, encourage diversity, something that is much closer to what a free education system would provide than what we have via public education. And they do not prohibit going out a fully private educational alternative for those who can afford being double billed."

Professor Machan is in effect saying, given that we must choose between vouchers and complete government monopoly, let us choose the lesser of two evils. Why does he see the nature of vouchers as "marred"?

He answers: "I recall way back in the 1970s there were those who argued that any kind of voucher program is useless, indeed, dangerous, because, among other things, getting private education supported this way will have intolerable government strings attached…. [O]nce the government’s fingers have touched the dough, it can then insist that certain ‘standards’ its bureaucrats lay down be followed. This, then, deprives the private schools of their autonomy or independence, thus corrupting them irreparably." Professor Machan appears to believe that this danger is outweighed by the victory won in that parents can use government money to send their children to private schools if they wish.

I beg to differ. The first rule of federal funding is that with every dollar there are strings attached, and this is a much bigger danger with vouchers than any of the above writers would have us believe. It seems very odd to me that only Professor Machan seems to have noticed this. Some of the strings may not be apparent at first; bureaucrats may be inherently power-hungry, but rarely operate in an all-at-once fashion (the initial effects on our paychecks of the progressive income tax instituted in 1913 were negligible, after all). But eventually they do become apparent, and then the problem Professor Machan identified becomes manifest. Educrats are able to use the fact that the money is coming from the federal government – i.e., from taxpayers – to assert control. Federal education money means federal education control. Just ask leaders at colleges such as Hillsdale and Grove City who had to fight major lawsuits to keep free of federal interference; one of the upshots of these lawsuits is that no student attending either can accept a single federal dollar – for anything.

Vouchers mean control. I fear this will become evident should vouchers ever become established, in which case it will be too late. There are warning signs now, if one is aware of them. The most recent School Liberator (published by Marshall Fritz’s Alliance for the Separation of School and State) quoted Peoria, Ill. school board member John Day stating, "If [a voucher proposal] does happen, educators want to ensure any school receiving tax dollars must follow the same rules and be held accountable to the state, including accepting any student and administering standardized tests. Currently private schools do not have to do those things." Day made no secret of what would be the goal of the educrat in a voucher-dominated educational system: a power grab. "If public funds are to be used to support private schools, then private schools should be held accountable to the same laws and statutes that public schools must abide by."

We absolutely must realize that with government money comes government control. Home school and private Christian school advocate Rev. E. Ray Moore of the Exodus Mandate project, in his just-published book Let My Children Go, makes this point forcefully in a section entitled "Vouchering Toward Gomorrah." Rev. Moore argues that vouchers threaten the autonomy of private Christian schools. Citing Marshall Fritz, he singles out three problems with the voucher idea. First, vouchers help trivialize private education by making it easier to obtain. "If parents must work extra hours … to send their children to a private school, this sends the message that quality education is important to them." Education should not be simply dropping Johnny off on the doorstep of a private school instead of a government school. Second, private religious schools will eventually be compelled to accept every student whose parents present the voucher. Thus they lose control of their admissions policies and find themselves facing many of the same troublesome students that subsist in the government schools.

In the hands of the John Days of the educratic world, they will soon lose control of their curriculums as well. Third, because they do represent easy money coming from the government, vouchers have more in common with welfare than their proponents recognize. Lew Rockwell, author of the most important current article connecting vouchers with welfare, wrote some time back, "Vouchers represent not a shrinkage of the welfare state but an expansion, the equivalent of food stamps for private schools." Rev. Moore accordingly refers to them as "school stamps." He fears that if the voucher movement spreads and becomes established, parents will come to expect vouchers. They will become just one more entitlement.

This will open the door to left-liberal control over vouchers. Rev. Moore quotes Jonathan Rauch as having chastised his fellow liberals back in 1997 for their opposition to vouchers. Rauch stated that "[v]ouchers are … a classic opportunity to equalize opportunity. Why should the poor be denied more control over their most important means of social advancement, when soccer moms and latte drinkers take for granted that they can buy their way out of a school (or school district) that abuses or annoys them…. By embracing school choice … liberals could at one stroke emancipate the District’s schoolchildren …" This further illustrates the welfarist nature of vouchers and shows how they mean a very short term victory for "school choice" but are really a long-term instrument of control that could well erode the independence and hence the effectiveness of private schools.

Vouchers are indeed tempting. Easy money always is. Most defenders of vouchers are sincere, I am sure. They believe they are doing the right thing for parents and for children. But the case against vouchers outweighs the case in their favor, which seems limited to Tibor Machan’s observation that vouchers offer a small island of choice in a vast sea of government expansionism. This, however, is a rear-guard action against the inevitable trend, which would be eventual federal control over all forms of education in this country.

Government money is always trouble. First, it must come from somewhere, and there are only two places it can come from: out of all our pockets in the form of tax dollars, or from inflating the currency and continuing to mortgage the country’s future in the ever-expanding ocean of debt. Second, whether the money goes to individuals in the form of direct welfare handouts, to corporations in the form of "investments," or to parents as educational vouchers, it threatens to create more dependency than we have now. Third, and most important, it will increase the spiral of government control by extending this control to private schools. Eventually it be impossible for parents to send their children to autonomous religion-based schools. Sure as I am sitting here, once children are attending such schools via vouchers, some atheist will challenge them on the grounds provided by the First Amendment’s separations clause. The case will again be fought all the way to the Supreme Court, and this time the outcome might be very different.

Let us stop the "school stamp" juggernaut while we can, before we wake up one day and discover that federal educrats have connived their way into the same control over private schools as they have long had over so-called public ones – the result being that private schools would be private in name only.


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More on an important and timely topic.

The decision on vouchers must rest on what we know of history.

Government money comes with a price: government control.

1 posted on 07/08/2002 7:05:12 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: capecodder
Food stamps is another "voucher program" yet I do not see any government control of grocery stores
2 posted on 07/08/2002 7:20:03 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: 2banana
What do the schools get per student. I know they get a certain amount per student in attendance. Whatever that amount it should be the amount given as the voucher. Thats how a free market works.

When the sale is made to one place over another then the full price of a product is transfered from the loosing distributor to the winning distributor. The loosing distributor does not recieve any mony for a product they did not provide at the expense of the winning distributor or the customer.
3 posted on 07/08/2002 7:46:30 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: 2banana
Let's stick with the issue of schools.

Local control of schools is essentially non-existent. The states mandate that local districts follow state law and regulation. The feds demand that state law and regulation conform with federal law and regulation in order to be eligible for fed-ed funds.

The states at this time are reduced to being 50 middle management administrators for the feds, having passed laws and enacted regs for GOALS 2000 funds, School to Work funds, Workforce Investment funds (DOE and DOL), Safe Schools funds (DOE,DOJ), etc.

Education funding is already LOADED with strings.

Vouchers are the Trojan Horse that will destroy private schools.

Please, let's focus on the history of edu-funding.

4 posted on 07/08/2002 7:47:16 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: 2banana
The arguement that vouchers will lead to government control, or mandates, of private schools is used by the left as a scare tactic to dissuade conservatives from supporting choice.

As long as the money goes to the parents and not the schools directly, I don't see this happening. The reason there are so many controls and mandates on public schools is because the funds go directly to the school districts.

5 posted on 07/08/2002 7:48:18 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Russ
In 1988 Congress passed the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988. "The act said that if any part of an institution received even one dollar of federal aid, the whole institution would be subject to federal regulation." Source: Grove City College

http://www.gcc.edu/news/facts/main/rees.htm

6 posted on 07/08/2002 8:03:17 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: 2banana
Food stamps is another "voucher program" yet I do not see any government control of grocery stores

Quite the contrary. Food Stamp usage is controlled, they can only be used on certain items, the list of which is controlled by the government.

---max

7 posted on 07/08/2002 8:04:05 AM PDT by max61
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To: capecodder
It is, indeed, a slippery slope.

Although currently parents have to fork over additional dough to send their kids to private school (in addition to their property taxes for public schools), they don't have to worry about government-imposed curricula, teacher "standards," etc.

We opted to pay for our kids' private education - and are happy we did.

8 posted on 07/08/2002 8:22:13 AM PDT by Doodle
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To: capecodder
This 5-4 decision allows Cleveland, Ohio parents to use federal education money, otherwise known as vouchers, to send their children to private (and religiously-based) as well as public schools

Where is there Federal funding of any voucher program? Correct me if I am wrong, but this case centered on the question of whether or not Cleveland could operate a voucher program without Federal interference. There was a 1st amendment challenge which was defeated. There is no new source of funds here; there is simply a change in how those funds are used.

Vouchers are a chit given to parents who meet whatever requirements are stipulated by the state or local authority. That chit is cashed in at any school that will accept it. I think that is basically how it works. These are local and state programs.

It is true that the President favors Federal funding of voucher programs, but this was left out of his Education plan. As far as I know, there is no Federal funding of any voucher program. If I am wrong, someone can let me know. Or maybe this is just more lewrockwell rot.

9 posted on 07/08/2002 8:40:46 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
The state administers the voucher program. The money will be state ed funds. Merely a regulation away from fed-ed mandates.

If Bush already favors fed-funded vouchers, it's only a matter of time for the DOE to sharpen the pencil...if it hasn't done so already.

10 posted on 07/08/2002 8:44:23 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: capecodder
The state administers the voucher program. The money will be state ed funds.

Then the second sentence of this article is a lie.

11 posted on 07/08/2002 8:47:05 AM PDT by Huck
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To: 2banana
Food stamps is another "voucher program" yet I do not see any government control of grocery stores

Are you arguing that food stamps are OK?

12 posted on 07/08/2002 8:49:40 AM PDT by IdeashaveConsequences
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To: Huck
Not state ed funds?

Lie?

13 posted on 07/08/2002 8:52:23 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: Huck
Misread you. Pardon me.

Referring to the article, my post #4 applies.

14 posted on 07/08/2002 8:56:17 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: summer
FYI - I thought you might be interested in this.
15 posted on 07/08/2002 8:58:30 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: capecodder
Let’s do some quick arithmetic. With roughly 53.1 million school-age children, suppose there was a voucher of $3,000 for each child. That would add $159.3 billion per year to the federal education budget and make it five times what it is now! A libertarian who would expand instead of contract the federal budget? Surely something is amiss here.

I agree with your take on vouchers. Once the government gets in the door with vouchers, the private schools will have to put up with a lot of restrictions...in curriculum, scheduling, independence from testing, admissions/suspensions, etc.

And, now there is another layer...the federally mandated testing that GWB wanted and got.

Another point. Teacher's associations are pretty powerful and pretty grabby. I don't believe for one minute that this $3,000 will come from local budgets. It will just be another huge federal expense. Education, like most programs, works best when they're close to the people being affected. And with this, big brother is at it again!

16 posted on 07/08/2002 9:12:34 AM PDT by grania
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To: capecodder
My daughter will be going to Grove City next year. If she
secures a government grant, or loan, the college will gladly
take the money. It is not federal money going directly to the college with strings attached.
17 posted on 07/08/2002 9:14:05 AM PDT by Russ
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To: Russ; Brownie74
The arguement that vouchers will lead to government control, or mandates, of private schools is used by the left as a scare tactic to dissuade conservatives from supporting choice.

I agree with you, Russ. There is no government control of private schools in FL, even though we have had vouchers for almost 4 years. And, I know just by saying that, many posters will jump on me to tell me I am wrong, when they are in fact wrong. Brownie74, thanks for the ping.
18 posted on 07/08/2002 9:23:33 AM PDT by summer
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To: All
PS And, by no government control I mean: no required staudent testing, no mandated curriculum, no certified teachers required, etc. Yes, a private school accepting vouchers has to be financially sound and a few other requirements, all of which can be read on a total of one page.
19 posted on 07/08/2002 9:24:52 AM PDT by summer
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To: All
PS And, by "no government control" of FL private schools I mean: no required student testing, no mandated curriculum, no certified teachers required, etc. Yes, a private school accepting vouchers has to be financially sound and a few other requirements, all of which can be read on a total of one page.
20 posted on 07/08/2002 9:25:10 AM PDT by summer
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To: Russ
It is not federal money going directly to the college with strings attached.

Read the story of Hillsdale College if you want an eye opener.

21 posted on 07/08/2002 9:26:55 AM PDT by IdeashaveConsequences
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To: summer
no required student testing, no mandated curriculum, no certified teachers required, etc.

Even without vouchers, I think you will find that "private" schools have many many regulations on them by governments.

22 posted on 07/08/2002 9:31:37 AM PDT by IdeashaveConsequences
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To: LiberT
No. Not in FL. I am going to have to do a thread, because this is about the 3rd thread I have been on saying the same thing over and over. I am not yelling at you, BTW, but I am really tired of people here inventing laws for FL that do not actually exist in FL.
23 posted on 07/08/2002 9:36:53 AM PDT by summer
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To: LiberT
FYI -- The info below is from the FL Dept of Education, and can be found by clicking HERE.

"General Requirements for Non-Public Schools

Legislative intent not to regulate, control, approve or accredit non-public educational institutions, churches, their ministries, religious instruction, freedoms or rites, is explicit. The Department of Education does not have jurisdiction and there are very few references to private schools in Florida law. The owners of private elementary and secondary schools in Florida are solely responsible for all aspects of their educational programs....."
24 posted on 07/08/2002 9:41:13 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Please ping me to the thread so I can live and learn. I have never heard of a state which doesn't require certain things to happen at all schools. Including home schools. I'll take your word for it til then.
25 posted on 07/08/2002 9:41:15 AM PDT by IdeashaveConsequences
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To: LiberT
See post #24, and I will ping you to a future thread on this. There is so much misinformation that goes out on these threads, and FR really has a much higher quality of info than what I have read on this particular topic. (And, my comment here has nothing to do with varying opinions expressed.)
26 posted on 07/08/2002 9:42:36 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
The key danger is federal funding of vouchers. As long as any voucher program is kept at the state and local level, the danger of governmental control is minimized somewhat.
27 posted on 07/08/2002 9:48:54 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Russ
From the Grove City site:

Benefits of Independence

Grove City College teaches and advocates free market economic theory. By putting that theory into practice, the College maintains competitively low charges and a superior academic program. Grove City College operates on a balanced budget, refuses federal aid and remains virtually debt-free, thereby proving that higher education can operate responsibly by providing an affordable, first-rate education without government funding or mandates. Demonstrating its commitment to freedom, Grove City challenged federal regulation during the 1980s. The College successfully argued its landmark case, Grove City College v. T.H. Bell, Secretary of the Department of Education, before the United States Supreme Court. Grove City exemplifies the American ideals of individual liberty and responsibility. In other words, Grove City College practices what it teaches.

In 2001-2002, charges for all academic programs (notebook computer/printer and room & board included) will remain under $13,000. Source: http://www.gcc.edu/aboutgcc/benefits.htm

28 posted on 07/08/2002 9:50:58 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: summer
I guess you should feel lucky to be in Florida, at least in this regard. I hate to be negative, but I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before the strings become serious.
29 posted on 07/08/2002 9:55:02 AM PDT by IdeashaveConsequences
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To: Russ
As long as the money goes to the parents and not the schools directly, I don't see this happening. The reason there are so many controls and mandates on public schools is because the funds go directly to the school districts.

"Money" won't go to anyone - it will be a piece of paper or a coupon of some kind that the school can redeem from the government.....provided they meet the government's "accredited private school" definition, which is where the controls will come in. No one's going to give anyone actual cash - if they did, you'd be right.

30 posted on 07/08/2002 9:57:24 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: LiberT
Thanks for taking a look at that info, LiberT. (BTW, very clever screen name you've got there!)

Also, as I mentioned on another thread: when you consider the fact a private school student in FL has to meet NO state requirements, then, it is actually true that a FL homeschooler has more state requirements to meet than a private school student (since the private school student must meet ZERO state requirements).

Finally - I don't know if the situation will change in FL. Time will tell....
31 posted on 07/08/2002 9:59:38 AM PDT by summer
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To: Russ
The arguement that vouchers will lead to government control, or mandates, of private schools is used by the left as a scare tactic

Liberals are using that line a lot now on TV. Vouchers are very controversial, many conservatives fear government control of private schools...yadda...yadda...yadda.

They will do or say anything to stop vouchers.

32 posted on 07/08/2002 10:06:47 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Austin Willard Wright
You may be right - that may be the key. (And, who is in power, because I believe FL Dem gov candidates have said flat out they would demand the private schools to meet the state requirments.)
33 posted on 07/08/2002 10:06:56 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
requirments.) = requirements.)
34 posted on 07/08/2002 10:07:37 AM PDT by summer
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To: LarryLied
Vouchers are very controversial, many conservatives fear government control of private schools...yadda...yadda...yadda.

I'm not a liberal and I'm concerned about further government control of private schools.

35 posted on 07/08/2002 10:12:00 AM PDT by IdeashaveConsequences
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To: LiberT
Summer, students with Florida vouchers DO take the assessment.

The Florida Opportunities Scholarship page contains the following information:

https://www.opportunityschools.org/Info/OSP/responsibilities.asp

Scroll down to: Public School Responsibilities:

State Assessment Local school districts must also provide locations and times for all students in the district participating in the Opportunity Scholarship Program to take all statewide assessment tests.

36 posted on 07/08/2002 10:13:24 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: summer; LarryLied; Lizavetta; grania
Summer, #36 was meant to be addressed to you.
37 posted on 07/08/2002 10:16:31 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: *Education News; madfly
Index Bump and fyi
38 posted on 07/08/2002 10:44:08 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: summer
A visit to the Frequently Asked Questions page, look at question #5:

What obligations do I have as a parent of a student eligible for an Opportunity Scholarship?

Answer: (among other things) Parents or guardians must ensure that their child takes all required state assessments.

Source: https://www.opportunityschools.org/Shared/faqs.asp?prgmtype=1

39 posted on 07/08/2002 10:57:34 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: capecodder
From that site:

5) Q: What obligations do I have as a parent of a student eligible for an Opportunity Scholarship?

A: Parents or guardians must ensure that their child takes all required state assessments and must comply fully with the private school's parental involvement requirements, unless excused for absence or good cause. A student who chooses to use an Opportunity Scholarship to attend a participating private school must:

Remain in attendance throughout the school year, unless excused for illness or good cause

Comply fully with the school's code of conduct

Notify the Department of Education and the local school district if the decision is made to return to a public school or to transfer to another private school.


And, no state assessment is currently "required." I know that kids are not taking these tests -- that's why it became an issue, with the teachers union complaining there was no "accountability." In the eyes of the teachers union, the parents of private school students do not count as the ones providing the accountability.

Since this question keeps coming up over and over on all these voucher threads, I will try to find more definitive info and get back to you.
40 posted on 07/08/2002 11:10:46 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
I know that you are passionate about this topic.

However,it's hard to believe that the State of Florida is posting requirements that it hasn't implemented or doesn't mean to implement.

Data collection about ALL students is required by the feds in return for fed funds.

Assessments are mandatory. Only the timeline varies.

41 posted on 07/08/2002 11:23:52 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: capecodder
Reflecting back on my post #36, it's the public school district that is obligated to administer the assessments. Perhaps they're a little late in getting started or less than compliant...?

For accuracy's sake, through your research have you located the statute, revisions, amendments, and current regulations from the Florida code?

Out for a while. c.

42 posted on 07/08/2002 11:29:29 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: capecodder
I do understand that others see this issue differently that I do, and, frankly, if the current situation changes, I mayt see it differently too. But, as for this testing issue, I know the teachers union here in FL loudly complained because there are NO state assessments required of private schools students -- and, teaching in a private school remains a very different type of teaching environment than a public school, because of it. In public schools, they DO have to devote time to helping these students understand what happens during these tests, etc. The private schools do NOT.

What will happen with federal dollars? Will FL change? I don't know.
43 posted on 07/08/2002 11:32:07 AM PDT by summer
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To: capecodder
Re your post #42 -- I don't what you mean here - public schools districts have nothing to do with private schools.
44 posted on 07/08/2002 11:33:05 AM PDT by summer
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To: capecodder
Re your post #42 - Your 2nd question ????? You are certainly free to look up whatever you want! I already provided you the link to the info on non-public schools in FL. :)
45 posted on 07/08/2002 11:34:29 AM PDT by summer
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To: capecodder; All
See this new thread:

FR EXCLUSIVE: Gov. Jeb Bush answers the question -- "Do FL voucher students take state tests?"
46 posted on 07/08/2002 12:08:24 PM PDT by summer
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To: LiberT
I'm not a liberal and I'm concerned about further government control of private schools.

Welcome to Free Republic. The educrats have been trying to scare conservatives away from vouchers for years. That is simply a fact. Since this court ruling, the NAACP, the ACLU, the NEA, the ADL the AFT, the AJCongress, PFAW and the NCJW have all issued press releases vowing to fight vouchers in every state in the union.

The liberals would not be spending millions to defeat vouchers if they thought they could take over private education.

This is a phony issue.

47 posted on 07/08/2002 1:21:10 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: capecodder
Government control of schools gone wild
48 posted on 07/09/2002 2:19:12 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: Russ
My daughter will be going to Grove City next year. If she secures a government grant, or loan, the college will gladly take the money. It is not federal money going directly to the college with strings attached.

Doesn't look like they'll take it if it comes from a federal source though.

Grove City College does not certify any loans under the Federal Family Education Loan Program (Stafford and Parent PLUS Loans); Pell Grants; Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships; Paul Douglas Teacher Scholarships; National Science Scholars Program Scholarships; National Academy of Science, Space and Technology Grants; Presidential Access Scholarships; President's Service Challenge Scholarship; ROTC Scholarships; educational benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs; assistance through the Office of Health and Human Services (such as grants from the Office of Vocational Rehabilitation or Blindness and Visual Services); JTPA; or any other scholarships or loans that may be construed as providing direct or indirect federal aid to the College. The College will also not allow any student to register for classes if it is aware that a student has accepted or received such federal financial aid for that semester.
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49 posted on 07/09/2002 3:27:25 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Huck
As far as I know, there is no Federal funding of any voucher program.

That's because the feds didn't have the green light until now.

50 posted on 07/09/2002 3:38:43 AM PDT by Sandy
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