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If Bush decides to attack Iraq, the strike could be sudden
Associated Press ^ | 7-10-02 | SALLY BUZBEE

Posted on 07/10/2002 11:40:01 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is capable of launching a rapid attack on Iraq by marshaling 50,000 troops at the Kuwaiti border in roughly a week, airlifting them in and bringing their tanks and heavy equipment on ships through the Strait of Hormuz.


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1 posted on 07/10/2002 11:40:02 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What is the weather like right now in Iraq???
2 posted on 07/10/2002 11:41:34 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
Full moon, clear skies, but +110 degrees.
3 posted on 07/10/2002 11:43:45 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ah Ha! The old Blitzkrieg trick!
4 posted on 07/10/2002 11:44:43 AM PDT by pankot
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Time to disregard what the other world leaders might think and just go about our business over there. Saddam is like a cancer, the pain remains as long as he is there, and he isn't going away by himself short of death from old age. See Castro, Fidel for the foolishness of the "waiting game" policy.
5 posted on 07/10/2002 11:46:02 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Today's developments:
1) Bush met with congressional leaders at breakfast.
2) All US officials out of Baghdad since Monday.
3) Bush meeting with Eastern Orthodox Leaders.
4) Kurds announce new Iraqi Constitution.
5) New moon is today.

Maybe nothing is going to happen, but I'll be close to the media late this afternoon.

6 posted on 07/10/2002 11:46:04 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Dog
Low cover with a chance of sudden attacks.
7 posted on 07/10/2002 11:46:16 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It must be fun to f&%^ with Sadaam's head almost daily.
8 posted on 07/10/2002 11:46:47 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Full moon

It's new moon here, so since Iraq is on the opposite side of the world, it might be a full moon there.

9 posted on 07/10/2002 11:47:31 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Unfortunately, Saddam's retaliation could be sudden, too.

Forget about the idea of military strike to remove Saddam Hussein. You don't strike someone who's holding a knife against your throat. But, as President Bush reminded us the other day in this regard, there is more than one way to skin a cat -- and George Bush is a very patient man.

10 posted on 07/10/2002 11:48:15 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Semper Paratus
What's up with the new-moon thing? We normally attack when there is no moon.
11 posted on 07/10/2002 11:48:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: RightWhale
"Full moon"

Moon? We don't need no stinking moon.
12 posted on 07/10/2002 11:48:48 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Semper Paratus
This soon??

I was thinking more like end of August..

13 posted on 07/10/2002 11:49:16 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Semper Paratus
Other than Farakhan, what US officials would be in Iraq?
14 posted on 07/10/2002 11:49:20 AM PDT by caa26
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To: RightWhale
It's new moon here, so since Iraq is on the opposite side of the world, it might be a full moon there.

doesn't work that way. Earth spins around itself in 24 hours, moon around the earth in 27+ days.

15 posted on 07/10/2002 11:49:46 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: RightWhale
maybe saddam plans to moon the Predator drone plane and get a suppository right up his ole wazoo?BWHAHAHAHAHA
16 posted on 07/10/2002 11:49:59 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Is it just me or is the media deliberately trying to warn Saddam of any potential attack?
17 posted on 07/10/2002 11:50:09 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: 1rudeboy
What's up with the new-moon thing? We normally attack when there is no moon.

That's what a new moon is. Add 14 days to a full moon.

19 posted on 07/10/2002 11:51:38 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: McGruff
IMHO, part of our office if disinformation trying to keep Saddam awake at night ...
20 posted on 07/10/2002 11:51:39 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: McGruff
I think Saddam could have figured this out on his own. He likely has Anthrax and other biological agents with sleepers ready to go.
21 posted on 07/10/2002 11:53:18 AM PDT by caa26
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
But...doesn't the president have to wait until Biden says it's okay?
22 posted on 07/10/2002 11:54:55 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: McGruff
These look more like calculated leaks coming from the White House basement. Last week it was a three pronged attack from Jordan, Turkey, and Kuwait. Now it's "straight up the middle" through Kuwait. We're jerking Saddam's chain, but it doesn't look like it's just for giggles. Pay attention to the lunar phase! I doubt that anything's likely in the next few days; but in ~28? Perhaps.
23 posted on 07/10/2002 11:57:00 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Dubya'll see your 110 and raise it to the 3.320356392 power. :-)
24 posted on 07/10/2002 11:57:33 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"We could have a situation where on Monday, it first looks like there will be a war, on Friday troops are in Kuwait, and by (the next) Thursday they're in Baghdad," said John Pike, a defense analyst in Washington.

Pike is full of it, as usual. While all of this is theoretically within the capabilities of the US military, there's no way the US Army is going to move without adequate preparation of the battlefield -- including extensive bombing by tactical and strategic aircraft. Even Schwarzkopf wanted the Iraqi army attrited before he unleashed the ground war.

I still look for a long buildup, but with the troops based further away (beyond Scud range) than during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. The troops will rapidly close on their jump-off points from these new bases, but it'll still take a 6 month buildup.

25 posted on 07/10/2002 12:00:19 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
NEW moon, far from full.
26 posted on 07/10/2002 12:00:33 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Biden is getting additional hairplugs this week.
27 posted on 07/10/2002 12:01:41 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Semper Paratus
Saddam doesn't know that. He can't very well go outside and look for himself. He's getting dizzy by now, looking north, south, west, east, and to the sky for incoming enemy soldiers. He still hasn't been hit with the tunnel plan.
28 posted on 07/10/2002 12:02:53 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Logistics isn't really my thing, and I have no doubt that the US military can prepare for an attack very quietly, however ...

This article talks about 50,000 men and (I assume) heavy equipment to supply the same number. I hope we have a way to provide reinforcements. American pride tells me 50,000 is plenty -- but no smart commander would attack Iraq with 50,000 men and no way to reinforce quickly.

29 posted on 07/10/2002 12:06:20 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The attack on Iraq is merely to sever this country into three separate states; one state of Kurds with oil, one state of Turkomans with oil and a buffer to Turkey and the Kurds... and then Iraq proper deprived of both oil and a military machine under surgical strikes designed to topple Saddam.

This is the Iraq battal plan, and plan which will take pressure off Israel, and the final defeat of Syria, Iran and their remaining state sponsored terrorist machines which openly operate; from there the war on terrorism will be long but without State funding they will eventually be worn down and defeated.

The US dollar will jump, oil prices will drop, energy supplies around the world will increase and alternate sources of oil and gas around the world will not be subjected to disruption by Islam!. The Saudi's will be given a final chance to do business or else the House of Saud' will too fall.

30 posted on 07/10/2002 12:09:15 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: RightWhale
Or the fake-breaking news out of MIT that we've just discovered the secret of teleportation -- call it the Baghdad Project. Hee.

31 posted on 07/10/2002 12:11:09 PM PDT by ellery
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To: Right_in_Virginia
But...doesn't the president have to wait until Biden says it's okay?

The DemoRats in Congress also get Bliztkrieg'd. Biden gets Blitzkrieg'd, Dasshole gets Blitzkrieg'd, Gephardt gets Blitzkrieg'd Mckinney gets Blitzkrieg'd..ect. Hehehe

32 posted on 07/10/2002 12:12:04 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The distant thunder keeps getting louder and louder.
33 posted on 07/10/2002 12:12:47 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: ellery
It will seem that way when Abrams tanks start coming out of the woodwork.
34 posted on 07/10/2002 12:15:54 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: arkfreepdom
"It must be fun to f&%^ with Sadaam's head almost daily"

I get a chuckle myself, thinking of him wetting his pants on a daily basis. One thing we should remember about this though is that any missiles he can get off will most likely have chem or bio weapons loaded. He knows we are playing for keeps this time (or at least I would like to think we are) and will pull anything he can out of his a*s to stop us.

Let's hope Isreal is prepared too.

35 posted on 07/10/2002 12:17:10 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: Redcloak
We're jerking Saddam's chain, but it doesn't look like it's just for giggles. Pay attention to the lunar phase! I doubt that anything's likely in the next few days; but in ~28? Perhaps.

Assuming, of course, that we want to start a war with Iraq. I don't think that's what's in store. Instead, I think we're going to take out Saddam and a few of his closest friends.

The difficulty with taking him out is that he's always on the move, and has numerous look-alikes who travel around the country to throw off possible attackers.

However when it comes to actual military planning stuff, Saddam has to be in the room with his generals. To find Saddam, you watch the guys he has to meet with, and take him out when arrives. If nothing else, Afghanistan has shown that we can make these short-notice, pinpoint attacks. The real key to finding out would be to count the number and type of planes in the no-fly zone.

And the best way to force a meeting is to get word out that we're planning a 1991-style raid into the country.

36 posted on 07/10/2002 12:17:31 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Tallguy
I still look for a long buildup, but with the troops based further away (beyond Scud range) than during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. The troops will rapidly close on their jump-off points from these new bases, but it'll still take a 6 month buildup.

Gee, if I was the Pentagon, I would be quietly pre-positioning as much equipment as possible in the region, and then some more. I'd bet the build up is in progress.

37 posted on 07/10/2002 12:18:34 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Not to be a disruptor, but I don't see an attack on Iraq unless and until the Harken, Holiburton and Judicial Watch lawsuit gets some legs.

Just my opinion.

38 posted on 07/10/2002 12:19:54 PM PDT by SGCOS
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The great thing about all these leaks/reports is that the Iraqi intellegence reads them and tells sadaam. Sooner or later, after crying wolf for a while, sadaam will shoot his intellegence officers. Regardless, the butcher of Baghdad doesn't sleep well at night.

Clear your calendar sadaam, you will be very busy, soon.

5.56mm

40 posted on 07/10/2002 12:21:04 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; babylonian
Who is like Bush?
41 posted on 07/10/2002 12:21:25 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
So, Bush says that it is OK to whack a political leader, mainly Saddam, tells the CIA to get to it. The CIA says, we know he is in Baghdad, but we need him to move around to get a shot at him. OK, disinformation campaign coming right up. Get Saddam nervous enough to move from his palace and take him out enroute to a bunker on the outskirts of Baghdad, taking out the rest of his leadership and his son at the same time.

Just as likely as anything else I suppose!!
42 posted on 07/10/2002 12:21:39 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: ClearCase_guy
This article talks about 50,000 men and (I assume) heavy equipment to supply the same number. I hope we have a way to provide reinforcements. American pride tells me 50,000 is plenty -- but no smart commander would attack Iraq with 50,000 men and no way to reinforce quickly.

No doubt about that. Follow on troops would be behind the initial 50,000. gotta have back-up.

43 posted on 07/10/2002 12:23:01 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: SGCOS
You could be right, or you could be hitting the bong a bit too often.
44 posted on 07/10/2002 12:23:22 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: RightWhale
It will seem that way when Abrams tanks start coming out of the woodwork.

Do you care to speculate how many Abrams are on those Roll-on/Roll-off pre-positioned ships?

45 posted on 07/10/2002 12:29:00 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: r9etb
To find Saddam, you watch the guys he has to meet with, and take him out when arrives.

Bingo! When our operatives on the ground tell us Saddam's generals have all converged at one spot, chances are we'll be able to get Saddam, too, in any attack on them. If not, it's always good to take out their top brass. I would hope we would use a rather powerful nuke in this situation, particularly if the site isn't too close to a large city, just in case the meeting is scheduled to take place 90 feet underground.

46 posted on 07/10/2002 12:31:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: RightWhale
He still hasn't been hit with the tunnel plan.

Well, since you went and let the cat out of the bag.... I have heard that some Mexican narco-tunnel engineers made an interesting plea bargain recently.

47 posted on 07/10/2002 12:32:48 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: demlosers
I'd bet the build up is in progress.

I agree that the equipment has been moving for quite some time and that might knock a bit off the lead-time. But it still takes time to "mate" the troops with their equipment once it arrives in theater. Then you need to exercize the men with their new equipment at every level from squad on up to division. As long as the bulk of the troops are based beyond the range of Saddam's long-range weapons systems they should be OK.

BTW, I would look for more battles like the one at Khafji where a few US Marine forward observers together with TacAir were able to destroy 1 armored brigade and severly maul a second.

48 posted on 07/10/2002 12:34:31 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: demlosers
"Do you care to speculate how many Abrams are on those Roll-on/Roll-off pre-positioned ships?"

If our last round of tank battles with Iraq is any indicator, I think about 20 should do.

49 posted on 07/10/2002 12:34:58 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: McGruff
Is it just me or is the media deliberately trying to warn Saddam of any potential attack?

Could be, so civilians can protect themselves as much as humanly possible.

50 posted on 07/10/2002 12:35:11 PM PDT by varina davis
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