A Bush Hater's Poll

Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

This is an unofficial quick and dirty presidential poll. Apparently, there is a good sized contingent on Free Republic that believes that President Bush is:

1. Not conservative enough
2. Not pro-life
3. Is a gun-grabber
4. Is a federal power-grabber
5. Will appoint liberal judges
6. Is a globalist
7. Is in it just for oil
8. Is too soft on immigration
9. Is too soft (or too hard) on Israel
10. Is a crook
11. All of the above
12. None of the above
13. Other (you name it)

Please list the numbers that best match the reasons you don't like Bush (or state other reasons if not on the list) and state whether you believe that President Bush should be defeated even if it means installing a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

Conversely, if you believe President Bush should be re-elected, please state why.

Please state who you would like to see win the Presidency in 2004 and whether or not you believe he/she has a chance of winning.

Thanks,
Jim

[chesty_puller]

so he's going to appoint "moderate" (liberal) judges every chance he gets.

I need your crystal ball when you are through with it.

[meanspirit77]

Answers:
I. = 4,5,6,8

II. Bush should not be re-elected, but I think as long as DJIA can hold above 5000 he will be re-elected and probably by a landslide.

III. Since I see no hope in changing the course of events in the political system we now have in place,(after all it is the system that has gotten us here),I would like to refine the Constitution via a Constitutional Convention. Such a convention will happen only after Socialism is revealed for what it is, an evil and vile system that destroys freedom. So, I would like to see the Socialist juggernaut arrive at its final destination asap and to that end my choice for pres. and vp in 2004 would be, Al Sharpton and Barney Franks.

Thank you for asking.

[ArneFufkin]

Caddie, you write in a style like Haiku read with peyote. One sentence apiece!

So, have you done anything worthwhile to change the political world that so injures since you listed your numerous grievences hours ago?

We don't want hear problems. Use your brain and propose some SOLUTIONS! That's hard work.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Before logging off, I direct all naysayer's of President Bush to this thread..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/714545/posts

Post #22.

And you don't like President Bush because??????????

[PRND21]

The Amnestied Illegals count against our immigration caps, that's the law.

Better a Mexican nanny than a Al Queda sort, right?

[Cultural Jihad]

Rewarding illegal behavior encourages more of it.

Glad to see you are against the legalization of recreational drugs.

[My2Cents]

It's kind of sad when former ardent listeners of Rush prefer his substitutes.

[My2Cents]

I think the key here is that Jim Robinson appears to have lost patience with the Bush basher and has challenged them to "put up, and shut up!" Great move on Jim's part.

[Sabertooth]

I've asked you the same question about four times on this thread... am I not being clear?

Every Illegal who gets to "change status" displaces a lawful immigration applicant trying to play by the rules and wait their turn. The Amnestied Illegals count against our immigration caps, that's the law.

So making Illegals "legal" rewards those who break our laws at the expense of those who would obey them.

Is that OK with you?

I've gotta run, so I'll check your answer later.

[FourtySeven]

I said originally (to Askel5's post #502): Good luck getting that to happen, ever. I hate to burst your bubble, but there are simply no honest polticians left. You want an honest politician, see a fairy tale, or, better yet, look up the word "oxymoron" in the dictionary.

Then caddie said to me:

This is the most important quote in the whole thread.

Your nihilsm (more than mere cynicism) is the difference between true conservatives and RINOS.

Between God-fearing persons and atheists.

Between Rats and real Republicans.

Between arabs who wrap themselves in explosives, and Israelis who, in their tiny corner of a desert, grow oranges and build medical lasers and CAT scanners for export.

Between the elect and Satanists.

Your nihilism is UN-AMERICAN.

Read the life of George Washington. He himself left such a lengthy paper trail, you cannot mistake, by reading his papers, exactly the kind of person he was.

He was wonderfully honest, as were the Founding Fathers.

He was POTUS ONLY 42 POTUSES ago!!

And you and the RINOS have invaded the GOP, and set the bar SO LOW for a POTUS, that it is on the ocean floor.

Reading the replies of the Bush supporters, can you guess what the commonest reason they state for voting for him is:

Right. "He is better than the Rat alternative."

It is shameful to set the bar for POTUS this low.

It is a dereliction of your duty as voter and citizen to do so.

Shame on all RINOS, and all Bush supporters, for setting the bar this low.

George Washington would be disgusted.

My reply to cabbie, and anyone else who agrees with what he wrote to me:

Oh, spare me the ideological ramblings, PLEASE! I've heard it all before.

I used to be like you, and all the other strict "Constitutionalists" here on FR, when I voted for Bush in 2000. I honestly believed that he was a decent person, who would never comprimise his ethics or his belief in the US for a quick, political gain. Then his monstrosity of an Education Bill came along, not to mention CFR, and absolutely shattered any optimism I had for politicians left in me. I hated him, yes hated him for a while for doing that, then I woke UPand realized there simply are NOT any honest politicians left in the world. If you think the politicians in your precious "Constitution Party", or whatever party it is you ascribe to, would be any better once they got the sweet taste of POWER in their mouths (elected to office), you need to wake up out of that fantasy land, before you find yourself on the loosing end of a political "deal" gone sour.

You want idealism and fluffy foo foo smelling like roses politics? You want HONESTY back in politics? Step in a f&$*(ng TIME MACHINE and go back to freakin 1776, and shake Thomas Jefferson's, Ben Franklin's and all those other guys' hands. That's the last time OR place you'll find any such people.

WAKE UP TO REALITY

[B. A. Conservative]

"(I know we'll never get back to what the founders intended)"

Why set your sights so low?

"I will take any smaller government that anyone can give us.."

Gift? Smaller government is our birthright. And we need to demand that our rights be returned. And if they are not, we should issue our own Declaration of Independence. And if the socialists would still attempt to subjugate us, we should use whatever force is required to protect our rights.

[ArneFufkin]

No wonder they are known as the stupid party.

Fair enough, you are DONE with the GOP. Now what?

If you are like most here ... NOTHING. FR Conservatives use their sanctimonius outrage as a foundation to DO NOTHING.

Who is conned by that lard-ass contrivance anymore? "I'm a slug, I don't support anything, I'll set my standards so high that no party is worthy of my support and I can justify my lard-ass inaction as principle. Woo Hoo!

[Jesse]

You have confused me with someone else. I don't remember ever calling Bush stupid, but yes, I have criticized him consistently and relentlessly for his statist, liberal ways since the election.

Turns out a lot of us "Bush-haters" (Jim Robs term, not mine) have been right.

Frankly, I think you Bushbots(including the GOP) would have done Bush a great service by criticizing Bush instead of justifying and explaining away all his problems, and attacking us messengers. You have been his crutch as he has lurched farther to the left on spending and growing government.

[B. A. Conservative]

"Even if my vote could secure the executive branch, congress and the judiciary would prevent Constitutional law.'

That is why they included the Second Amendment.

[OldFriend]

Right now, we are in need of people of the utmost intellectual superiority......and Rush does not meet the criteria.

[B. A. Conservative]

And that is why the Declaration of Independence is the most magnificient document ever drafted by the mind of man.

[NittanyLion]

I think the most they can come up with to answer any of the questions is that the title of the thread is mean, derrogatory, distasteful, wrong, yada yada yada.

I came up with something back in #355. Sabertooth brought a number of legitimate issues to the fore as well. There's been little response.

[B. A. Conservative]

"..and another slice is too mentally disabled to vote."

I saw the best quote I have seen lately in Federalist Digest last week. I forgot the speaker, but it was in reference to the Supreme Court decision saying the death penalty for the mentally retarded is cruel and unusual is the equivalent of giving a license to kill to Democrats. Is that the 50 million that cast votes for Democrats that you are referring to above?

[Amelia]

You either didn't read the article you're referring to very well, you've been mislead as to its meaning, or you are dishonest and trying to mislead people into thinking President Bush did something he did not do. I hope it's not the last.

Please see post #436.

[Cultural Jihad]

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Who is conned by that lard-ass contrivance anymore? "I'm a slug, I don't support anything, I'll set my standards so high that no party is worthy of my support and I can justify my lard-ass inaction as principle. Woo Hoo!

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Most worthy of a repeat, Arne. Anyone who thinks the political process is no longer a valid avenue of change really has no business coming around to FR to whine and moan their despair.

[B. A. Conservative]

"Give the Republicans a mandate to dismantle the federal bureaucracy."

We did and they squandered it.

After their embarrassing failures, they are courting Democrats because they know some conservatives will seek retribution and the rest have no where else to go. They think they have a free shot of chasing the left or the middle with little or nothing to lose from the Conservative base. And if everybody listens to what you are saying, the Republicans will be right. And perhaps the larger tragedy, is regardless of whether the Republicans win or lose this November won't matter to the conservative agenda. Since Republicans are running on a socialist's platform, we will be the losers regardless of who is in office.

[loveliberty]

Not conservative enough

Never mind the terms "conservative" and "liberal." Bush seems to understand America's founding ideas. He is, however, President at a time when most American adults have never studied those ideas. If he can use his plain-spoken manner to convey and reconfirm
1)that our lives, our inalienable rights, and our liberty come from a Creator;
2) that there is, in fact, a "Supreme Judge";
3) that ideas have consequences; and
4) that September 11 proved that there are two equally powerful forces at work in the world--good and evil--one of which produces liberty and life, and the other which results in tyranny and death--if he can reconfirm these ideas for the current generations, then he will have earned my vote.

Not pro-life Not proven.

Is a gun-grabber

Not yet determined.

Is a federal power-grabber Desperate times demand desperate measures, and although it's troublesome, others have brought us to this point.

Will appoint liberal judgesWon't believe until I see.

Is a globalistPerhaps, but he follows a long line.

Is in it just for oil No.

Is too soft on immigration Yet to be seen.

Is too soft (or too hard) on Israel What would you do?

Is a crook Not so

! All of the above

None of the above
Other (you name it) Follows the most corrupt man who ever held the office and one who almost singlehandedly disarmed America, both militarily and morally. George Bush, next to him, is a throwback to the founding period.

Unless Washington, Madison, or Jefferson are resurrected and run in the 2004 election, Bush has my vote!

[ArneFufkin]

Jesse, the night of Bush's embryonic stem cell research speech to the nation you came on and made a comment that could have been copied from Bartcop.com. You ridiculed President Bush's verbal acuity and native intelligence if I recall. I proposed that George W. Bush was significantly smarter than you - hey, I'm still solidly behind that proposal. The dumb fratboy lie. Low class slumming.

[Linda Liberty]

I know this is a huge thread, but I really would be interested
in your reply to my question at the bottom of 552.
Do you think Bush has handled fiscal policy or homeland security competently?

[B. A. Conservative]

"But you and everyone else keep telling me if I cut off their candy (my votes) I will end up with Hilary as King and Ted Kennedy and Jesse Jackson as co- Popes. It is truly hard to know what is the moral thing to do. I get hives worrying about it when I go to vote. "

Have you considered this?

[Amelia]

Never mind the terms "conservative" and "liberal." Bush seems to understand America's founding ideas. He is, however, President at a time when most American adults have never studied those ideas. If he can use his plain-spoken manner to convey and reconfirm
1)that our lives, our inalienable rights, and our liberty come from a Creator;
2) that there is, in fact, a "Supreme Judge";
3) that ideas have consequences; and
4) that September 11 proved that there are two equally powerful forces at work in the world--good and evil--one of which produces liberty and life, and the other which results in tyranny and death--if he can reconfirm these ideas for the current generations, then he will have earned my vote.

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I like that.

[B. A. Conservative]

Beautiful!

[ArneFufkin]

CJ: A politically engaged American citizen becomes disenchanted and gives up on party politics? That's life. American citizens with no clue? That's our history! Tired, busy, angry, betrayed and exhausted ... get some distance! Sit one election out. But ... let's not b.s. each other either: Ignorance, abandonment, surrender and lethargy are not vituous traits. Don't sell sloth and irresponsibility as principle. Hey, if you're bugging out ... bug out! Get a program to assuage your tears. Quit bitching! That's beyond tiresome here. Regards friend!

[B. A. Conservative]

How much of it could be used to run nuclear power plants rather than buring it for ten thousand years and wasting like most other PC liberal/socialists programs. Are there really two arguments here? Yes the US needs a burial site. But is it not true that by giving into the environmental radicals we are burying usuable nuclear fuel that could power electric generating plants for years. First the loonies block the most one of the sensible and safe forms of producing nuclear energy, then they cry global warming when we bow to their wishes and use other forms of power.

We need a President and a political party willing to take a stand and block the lunatics on the left. The Republicans are not even taking a stand. Does the "R" stand for "R"etreat?

[B. A. Conservative]

People should be patient.

Seventy years is enough patience. When should we expect progress?

[ArneFufkin]

OK, I'll play. The Amnesty is GOOD IDEA. Let's get everybody here who is illegal counted, identified and sanctioned. Sooner the bettrer.

I don't care if they snuck across the border or not. I want to know who is here, where they are and what they are doing. I'll swallow my indignation for the bigger win.

I propose lawsuits galore over providing county entitlements and local school access to non citizens. I propose a local, county and state grass roots movement to remove those who would take our money to provide benefits to those who do not reside in our county. We need to sting the ID syndicates HARD!!! We need to throw State Civil Servants into prison if they traffick illegal IDs.

Within 12 months, 2/3 of illegals will be back in Mexico or Somalia. No welfare, no work skills ... no America for the unskilled or weak. No parasites. Immigrants who break their backs and honorably make a days wage so their children might have an education and prosperous life here - that makes me tingly! That's America Goddamit! Stay out of the way of that Tooth. It's bigger than you or me.

[B. A. Conservative]

A genuine conservative would know that having a degree from Harvard or Yale is more likely an indicator of someone groomed to be a socialist rather than being indicative of someone with credentials that imply ability or intelligence.

[Black Agnes]

I'll swallow my indignation for the bigger win.

Sadly they never vote pubbie (at least first generation), too used to the government dole. It won't be pubbies that will be 'winning'.

[Issaquahking]

Jim,

I would vote for "W" again in 2004. In 2000 he was the only choice on the ballot....So far he has done a good job - not neccisarily excellent, but better than I thought he could do.

1.Is a socially and fiscally republican and stays true to basic party line.

2. First time I've heard this logic.

3.Gee, I understood that when he went and trained with the F.B.I./C.I.A. recently in shooting and driving skills that perhaps it was a hint to all to be better shots and sharpen up on that driving!

4.Power-grabbing....or is it pulling the stops out only to stop terrorism? Klintoon refused to accept responsibility when U.B.L.'s head was offered to him...."W" said "dead or alive", I like that.

5.After the comments on the judges after the "Pledge Attack" by the idiot from the 9th district, I can't imagine anyone believing his judges would be anything but serious conservatives.

6.Globalist?....Ya, ask Coffi tincan and the U.N. boys if they think "W" is going to cave in to that stupid I.C.C. noise? Don't think so.

7. "W" is the only president ever to work in the great state of Alaska....Therefore has real world view of developing A.N.W.R.

8. This maybe true.

9. Could give Israel a break.

10. Not true.

Would vote for him again. He won't make it if the goofs who are third party hard-liners go it alone, thus giving it the liberals. Needs to get all the republican and"floater" votes to beat all the dimorats in 2004.

[ArneFufkin]

You just can't get the picture, can you?

[AlGone2001]

My choice is #12, and I'll gladly vote for this good man in 2004.

[ArneFufkin]

No Welfare ... No illegal problem. No welfare ... No illegal problem.

It's entitlements amd welfare.

Oh, and lastly ... it's welfare and entitlements.

Commence besieged bitching!

[Black Agnes]

What picture would that be? I live in a predominantly hispanic neighborhood. In prior years it was a very Cuban neighborhood. Cubans tend to be both culturally and economically conservative and vote more pubbie than any other 'hispanic' group. In recent years however, it has become more Mexican (read, illegal). Now we have gangs and old people are afraid to go out at night. The voting has changed from about 60% pubbie to 78% Gore in last election. Is this the picture you want?

[Jim Scott]

A little late in the game but let me take a whack at this.

1. Not conservative enough

As conservative as he can be and still be elected and maintain support from the apathetic public.

2. Not pro-life

Nonsense. I don't agree with his exceptions for rape and incest as reasons for abortion, but Bush is pro-life.

3. Is a gun-grabber

More nonsense.

4. Is a federal power-grabber

To a certain degree born of necessity but since 9/11 changed everything we'll never know the true answer to that question.

5. Will appoint liberal judges

If anyone believes this they are deluded, big-time.

6. Is a globalist

To a degree but he's not giving up U.S. sovereignty. The term 'globalist' has different meanings for different people.

7. Is in it just for oil

Nonsense on stilts.

8. Is too soft on immigration

Yes, he is. This must change and I hope it doesn't take another terrorist attack to do it but I fear that it will.

9. Is too soft (or too hard) on Israel

Bush is just right on Israel. His speech last month that called for new Palestinian leadership and held out the carrot of U.S. help if that (ever) happens was a masterstroke.

10. Is a crook

Insulting, slanderous nonsense, totally false and without a shred of evidence to back up such a foolish ststement.

11. All of the above

Only if you're a liberal posing as a conservative, a Libertarian or one of those perpetually angry and negative types that populate some corners of Free Republic.

12. None of the above

#8 is the only real exception.

13. Other (you name it)

George W. Bush foiled the Democrat attempt to steal an election from him, performed as a leader should on and after 9/11 and has generally been an excellent President with sharp political instincts.

That he gives some quarter to the Congressional Democrats may be frustrating but it's also inevitible and reasonable. Bush isn't the president of Christian conservatives only. While I would like him to do more 'conservative' things, such as tightening immigration, I realize that he's doing a lot under the constant pressure of the Democrats to demonize him and thwart his agenda and the liberal media's endless attempts to defame and minimize him at every opportunity.

It's not easy being even a mildly conservative president in this environment but Bush is performing well. He's never going to be (nor does he want to be) Harry Browne or Pat Buchanan or some other hard-core fantasy President but then, George W. Bush actually gets elected and does effect some changes while the perpetually sour piss and moan 24/7 while offering nothing but 'coulda wudda shoulda' to the man actually in Teddy Roosevelt's political arena, getting bloody and dirty and fighting the good fight.

I was for George W. Bush two years ago and I'm for him now.

Heaven will be perfect and I anticipate being there someday but this is earth. America in 2002 and we're talking politics, not theology. No politician is 'perfect' in any way. Never was. I'm certain that had FR existed in 1782, George Washington would be critized as too soft on something or other. That's politics.

President Bush is a good man doing a good job in trying times. He has my support and my vote in 2004 and I believe that all the anti-Bush 'conservatives' that endlessly catalog his perceived faults and shortcomings here every day and constantly proclaim that they'll vote Third-Party or refuse to vote at all in November and especailly in 2004 will be rather embarrassed when Bush wins by a landslide - without them and their endless criticisms of a good President and a good man.

[B. A. Conservative]

"Yup, you got it. If the most conservative hard-line republican alive today was running for President, he'd probably get creamed."

Bull$hit. Nothing could be farther from the truth. There has only been one conservative that lost at a national level and that was Goldwater. Goldwater was defeated by the media. One of my friends whose father was a governor, had a brother who was a US Senator and has a brother-in-law who is a currently a US Senator told me a story of trying to personally place an add for Goldwater in the LATimes. The Times refused to take the add without cash for payment. This person hand carried the cash, not a check, to the Times to place the add. The LATimes still refused to run the add. The media attack on Goldwater was the worst I have ever seen in my lifetime. And the campaign was lost before Goldwater ever got out of the box because of the hydrogen bomb commercial with the little girl.

Reagan is the only person to campaign during my lifetime as a conservative. He won two landslide elections. As for Congress, Republicans lost 35 out of 37 elections between 1932 and 1994. The only time Republicans actually ran on a conservative agenda was 1994 and they won by an unmistakeably large margin.

Republicans can win on conservative issues; the problem is they never try. They want to try to take votes from Democrats. It doesn't work, they lose the conservative votes and they lose the election.

By the same token, if a RINO wins, how does it actually help restore the Constitution. The Constitution and conservative values are not going to be restored by people not willing to run on a platform that supports restoration of the Constitution. And the Constitution will especially not be restored by the people who are embarrassed to stand by its principles or those who trample on it almost every time a vote is taken in Congress.

And if you are right and I am wrong, then if we cannot save the United States as it was promised to us in the Constitution, then why save it at all? It is the freedom we had under the Constitution that made the United States great. The United States still has the potential to recover what it has lost, but only if we stand up and demand it. I am tired of begging Republicans and other Americans. Either we recover what we lost or dissolve the union and create our own Republic. It won't be us that starts the shooting. And I don't think the socialists will have the nerve.

[Pern]

I'd have to say #'s 4, 8, & 9. I'd have to see who else is running in 2004 before I pick, though.

[ArneFufkin]

Once again ... if the foreign nationals are working to support themselves and their families, they are not going to automatically vote Democrat. We need to prohibit Democrat pirates from giving our tax money to those who live and move here ILLEGALLY! The welfare dependent vote Democrat. The Democrats spent 8 years making illegally resident foreign nationals welfare dependents! Let's GET TOGETHER FOR ONCE to identifyh and kill every program in every school district, city, county and State that underwrites the basic life needs of illegally resident citizens who can't work or contribute to our thang. Let's wipe them out!!!! You wanna pay for a Somali or disabled undocumented Mexican national to have schooling, food stamps and preventative health care for his wife and three children? I DON'T. Let's grab the torches and storm the castle. Nobody can justify this giveaway. They snuck it by us good folks

That's the path to reclaiming our land. It's not easy, it's not immediate but it's clear. To me at least.

If something is worth conjuring emotion and outrage to document here, it's worth finding the people and strategy that can solve your problem. SHAZAAAAMM Floyd! That means ... quit bitching here, bitch to people who can adress and remedy your grievance. THEY'RE NOT HERE!!!! Quit yanking it on our dime.

[lonestar]

They changed the face of Republican party in a good way, but since then the party has beaten them down and the party no longer represents the principles on which they won office and the Republicans won Congress.

You think it's more reasonable to try to change the world than to try to change the Republican Party?

I don't understand the concept of not becoming part of the GOP on a grassroots level and changing "the party." Starting with your precinct! If you can't do that, how can you chnge the whole entire country?

[RightWinger]

Bush is no Ronald Reagan but I'll vote for him again because he's no Algore.

[Black Agnes]

But you can't do that w/o voting majorities. 78% Gore voters are never going to vote to end their entitlements. Bush *barely* won in 2000 as it is. Do you really think the pubbies will end entitlements if it means they'll be demonized as the party of 'selfish rich people' even more? Since Prop 187(or 189) in CA was overturned, CA is sadly being added to the 'lost forever' column. A once strong pubbie voting bastion is now decidedly in the dim column. It would take a miracle at this point for any pubbie to win office in CA (I'm still praying for Simon btw). I'm not going to give up however. The pubbies in NJ spent 8 years under ChristieWitless busting the budget giving away lots of stuff and were soundly defeated by McGreevey when Schundler started talking 'personal responsibility'. I agree with you FWIW about the welfare giveaways. Unfortunately too many pubbies in NJ are the 'go along to get along' type that ensure the dims always 'out Santa Claus' them in the long run. The poor will always vote the Santa Claus party. Always. This is why I think #8 is a big bugaboo that will bite the pubbies in the keister sooner rather than later.

I am however, willing to listen to any concrete plans you have to end this travesty...

[Torie]

The Amnestied Illegals count against our immigration caps

Are you sure about that?

[JulieRNR21]

Bush will have my vote again in 2004.....he's a good trustworthy man who is pro-life and is doing his darnest to put America first and wage a war on terrorism!

[Torie]

No. 12, with the possible exception of No. 8. Bush is a "globalist," in the good sense of the word, and I'm damn glad about it.

[Marine Inspector]

Exactly.