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5,000 in U.S. suspected of ties to al Qaeda
Washington Times ^ | 7/11/02 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 07/10/2002 11:39:34 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:55:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

U.S. intelligence agencies are watching several groups of Middle Eastern men thought to be part of an infrastructure of as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and their supporters in the United States, The Washington Times has learned.

Small groups of about a half-dozen men in Seattle, Chicago, Detroit and Atlanta are under surveillance by FBI and other intelligence agencies and are thought to be part of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, said intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; US: Illinois; US: Michigan; US: Washington
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1 posted on 07/10/2002 11:39:34 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Now THERE is a scary figure. Stay vigilant folks...
2 posted on 07/10/2002 11:42:26 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: *TerrOrWar; *JIHAD IN AMERICA
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3 posted on 07/10/2002 11:46:26 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Dog; Grampa Dave
The FBI also is investigating a chain of jewelry stores in several states that are suspected of funneling money to al Qaeda, a U.S. law-enforcement official said, confirming reports in the Philadelphia Inquirer and The Washington Post.

Look who else pick up on this story

4 posted on 07/10/2002 11:58:43 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: kattracks
""It depends on how you define an al Qaeda member," the official said. "There are hardened members and Muslims with sympathies to bin Laden.""

It is all down to a semantics game. Black is white and white is black in our brave new world.

5 posted on 07/11/2002 12:05:55 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
You need to look up the difference between some and all
6 posted on 07/11/2002 1:13:45 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: All
It's your choice, sit at home OR actually get out and help defend America.

How YOU can assist fighting terrorist cells in the United Sates.
17yrs old and up, no upper age limit. Something for everyone to do


7 posted on 07/11/2002 1:55:40 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Pyro7480
"One [intelligence] estimate is that there are up to 5,000 people in the United States connected to al Qaeda," one U.S. intelligence official said.

Worth repeating for those not paying attention.

Does that mean we could have up to 5,000 isolated incidents of terror?</sarcasm

8 posted on 07/11/2002 2:52:55 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: snippy_about_it
Does that mean we could have up to 5,000 isolated incidents of terror?</sarcasm

(sarcasm on) It means 5,000 potential undocumented aliens eligible for citizenship when 245(i) Amnesty for Illegals passes. That way, they will be afforded the full protection of the Constitution after they shoot up an airport terminal or blow up a shopping mall. (sarcasm off)
9 posted on 07/11/2002 3:52:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: kattracks
Arne Fufkin legendary bold, daring and breathtaking FR proposal letter 10, number C: "Let's find the unbathed immigrant guys and gals on student, visitor and diplomatic visas from any country that actively uses the letter Q and send their ASSES soaring like they've been on one of those Batman/Penguin mega spring mechanisms!". NASA still ignores my patent requests. Let's just drop the slouching garbage in The Hague or on the streets of Zurich. Get them gone!

10 posted on 07/11/2002 4:31:25 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Mo1; Grampa Dave; Miss Marple
5,000 broke down into squads of 5 to 6.....whole lot of cells in the country.

Eyes open folks......they are here in force!

11 posted on 07/11/2002 5:01:38 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
Glad to see they are being watched, although I would like them to be watched on a prison barge. Perhaps we are going to be moving forward on that.

I still say that there are connections to the envirals, anarchists, and gangs. I personally think that 501c3 organizations should have to release their donor lists.

12 posted on 07/11/2002 5:05:35 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Pyro7480
It's not that scary if you keep repeating to yourself "Diversity Is Our Strength".
13 posted on 07/11/2002 5:11:14 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: kattracks
These days call for packing a camera, cell phone and, if you're so inclined, CCW. A sandwich would be nice, too.
14 posted on 07/11/2002 5:16:06 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Dog
"5,000 broke down into squads of 5 to 6.....whole lot of cells in the country. Eyes open folks......they are here in force!"

I agree that we need to keep our eyes open. But the 5000 number is dominated my sympathetic hangers-on who are only able to provide shelter and support for the people who could actually do us harm. I'd guess that 95 percent of these morons wouldn't know a cell if it was stuck in their ear. I bet there are less than 200 that could play even a small role in simple mission to destroy something, and much less than that who could take an significant role, like the 19 of 9/11.

These people are scared and lost, but are still dangerous until their funding disappears and their organizations suffer further defeat. Our agencies are watching these people and learning, and one reason they're still here is that we want to see more.

15 posted on 07/11/2002 5:32:09 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
But the 5000 number is dominated my sympathetic hangers-on who are only able to provide shelter and support for the people

I nonconcur with this analysis. The sympathetic hangers-on will be ten times that number. And I believe you will find them in every mosque.

16 posted on 07/11/2002 5:37:52 AM PDT by neutrino
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To: elfman2
I don't believe that ratio, or, rather, that ratio is already taken into account: It is the radicalized Moslems in the hundreds of thousands that provide support for these thousands.
17 posted on 07/11/2002 5:38:37 AM PDT by eno_
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To: kattracks
While it may be questionable to distribute the photographs of as many of these people as possible, if they are here illegaly, all bets are off.
Sooner or later all of them will have to be ejected and the bigger head start we have the better.

What I don't understand is why all arriving international passengers are not photographed when going through customs, regardless of the type of visa they have (or don't have).

Can you imagine the value if videotape of all passengers on flights grounded during the 911 Muslim Mass Murder were available?

18 posted on 07/11/2002 5:41:15 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: bybybill
You need to look up the difference between some and all.

Whats yer p'int. The 'some' get arrested, interrogated, shipped to a country that permits torture, then killed.

And the ALL better damn well start condemning the SOME pretty effing quick.

19 posted on 07/11/2002 5:42:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Publius6961
There is no presumption of innocence in visa cases. Illegals are a slam-dunk, and valid visas should be revoked if there is any hint of Moslem radicalism in the visa holder.
20 posted on 07/11/2002 5:43:20 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Publius6961
You are photographed at road crossings. And I bet that there are enough security cameras in airports to get excellent pictures of everyone who looks like they've been to a strip club with Mohammed Atta and were flying on 9/11. One hopes these people have been dealt with on the QT and are being "interviewed" in some other country now.
21 posted on 07/11/2002 5:47:15 AM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
You are photographed at road crossings. And I bet that there are enough security cameras in airports to get excellent pictures of everyone...

The problem is that the sheer volume of images may never get reviewed until after the fact.
The value of doing it at arriving customs is that regardless of the volume (it's got to be a lot less than random security cameras) will ensure that it is feasible to review all images and isolate the "questionable" ones.

Seems to me that national security would make this an essential move.

22 posted on 07/11/2002 5:51:59 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: eno_
There is no presumption of innocence in visa cases. Illegals are a slam-dunk, and valid visas should be revoked if there is any hint of Moslem radicalism in the visa holder.

I am very upset at the extra-legal manner in which Padilla is being treated.

But what you have written, above, is quite accurate and just.

23 posted on 07/11/2002 5:53:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: kattracks
These rats will commence hitting us like they do the Israelis. Small cafes, buses, car bombs detonated close to malls and other pedestrian walkways.

The new agency for homeland security is ridiculous. The Department of DEFENSE should be adequate and the ATF and FEMA should be abolished with all of the multitudinous staffers given walking papers.

It almost appears conspiratorial with all these muslims wandering around the United States when they more properly belong in chains on their way out. Kick every damned one out and never let another one in.

24 posted on 07/11/2002 6:02:47 AM PDT by elcaudillo
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To: kattracks
as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and their supporters in the United States...

That's it. I'm getting a gun.

25 posted on 07/11/2002 6:33:34 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: bybybill
"You need to look up the difference between some and all"

I just know that you have a point here.

26 posted on 07/11/2002 7:30:06 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: kattracks
"Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said some of the al Qaeda terrorists who were using Afghanistan as a base have fled to the United States, as well as to other countries. They clearly have moved some to the United States..."

Isn't it simply a stunning tragedy that America ever allowed this to occur post-911? Imagine that... Thousands perish on 911. We are at war with the Islamic extremists. Yet our dopey liberalized institutions continue to keep our borders wide open. I am getting a bit livid over all the PC crap. No freakin' Islamic extremists that fit the terrorist profile should be allowed in -- and I don't give a flying sh_t if they are Saudis. It better stop - NOW! In a related vein, I saw an elderly American woman on tv last evening was was frisked and searched and forced to pull her pants and underwear down at the airport! Un-freakin'-believable.

27 posted on 07/11/2002 7:34:36 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Pyro7480
Stay vigilant folks...

But that would be "racial profiling"....... < /sarcasm>

28 posted on 07/11/2002 7:39:31 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Mo1; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Travis McGee; Clovis_Skeptic; Shermy; Miss Marple
From the article, " FBI and Immigration and Naturalization Service agents have raided 75 jewelry stores and mall kiosks as part of the money-laundering probe.
About a dozen men, mainly Pakistani nationals, are in custody from the operation, which was carried out late last month."


The jewelry stores owned by the friends of al Qaeda are huge money laundering and cash raising al Qaeda ATM's for their terrorists in America.

al Qaeda terrorism requires large amounts of cash for the actual terrorists to stay here, live here and to plan their next terrorist attack on America.

Whack those jewelry stores and Kiosks, and the al Qaeda terrorists need to find another ATM. That is really dangerous and ineffective post 9/11.

Thanks for the ping!
29 posted on 07/11/2002 8:35:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Miss Marple; Dog; Dog Gone; Howlin; Mo1; hchutch
Miss Marple in her usual wisdom that is often ahead of the rest of us posted:

I still say that there are connections to the envirals, anarchists, and gangs. I personally think that 501c3 organizations should have to release their donor lists.

I personally believe that if and when we find out to whom the Opecker Princes and the al Qeada thugs have been donating to since the days of Jimmy Carter, America will have a huge wake up call. It will not be just the left wing non profits but some of the so called conservative non profits.

30 posted on 07/11/2002 8:40:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Most of them were here before 9/11. Most came during the Jake Reno days of looking at White Christian Males who legally owned guns as potential terrorists.
31 posted on 07/11/2002 8:42:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Miss Marple
I still say that there are connections to the envirals, anarchists, and gangs. I personally think that 501c3 organizations should have to release their donor lists.

Glad you said that .. I've thought the same myself

32 posted on 07/11/2002 8:48:54 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Don Myers; Sabertooth; knighthawk; dennisw
"It depends on how you define an al Qaeda member," the official said. "There are hardened members and Muslims with sympathies to bin Laden."

So which category does the LAX El-Al shooter fall into?

How many Trojan Horse Muslims in the USA who are NOT "card carrying" members of Al Qaeda are still only one tick away from exploding?

Radical Islam is an insane murder cult, and "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

33 posted on 07/11/2002 8:52:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: kattracks; Dog; Dog Gone; Miss Marple; hchutch; Howlin; Shermy
Small groups of about a half-dozen men in Seattle, Chicago, Detroit and Atlanta are under surveillance by FBI and other intelligence agencies and are thought to be part of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, said intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In one case, five men of Middle Eastern origin rented rooms in Seattle and conducted activities that officials would not specify but called unusual.

Okay folks what presidential candidate carried these havens for Islamakazis?

What party do the mayosr of these cities belong to?

Has the PC police departments and DA's in these left wing cities helped in these investigations.

How many of these rat infested Goron cities have a left wing pro Congressit like McKinley of Atlanta?

How many of the senators from the states where these cities have left wing senators who vote for the PC way of handling crime, ignoring it?

How many of these city's newspapers are maggot infested liberal fishwraps?

How many of the tv stations in these cities push the left wing agenda that only conservativews are evil and bad?

How many of the city councils in these cities are black muslims, left wing socialists or communists who hate America on a 24/7 basis.

So if you were IslamaKazis here in America to raise money for terrorism and then use that money to fund terrorism, wouldn't you come to Seattle, Chicago, Atlanta or Detroit for safety and comfort provided by the left wingers who control these cities?

34 posted on 07/11/2002 8:53:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: kattracks
Eyes, ears, intuition all on high alert! The big questions is "Will we follow through on what we see, hear or think?"
35 posted on 07/11/2002 8:54:31 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Travis McGee
"How many Trojan Horse Muslims in the USA who are NOT "card carrying" members of Al Qaeda are still only one tick away from exploding?"

Probably, quite a few. Our leaders and alphabet agencies are dancing around this issue.

36 posted on 07/11/2002 9:05:11 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Travis McGee
Markets are down but the number of sleepers is up.
37 posted on 07/11/2002 10:26:11 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: kattracks
stupid question of the day. What the hell are they still doing here if we know who they are?
38 posted on 07/11/2002 10:28:25 AM PDT by robjna
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To: Dog
Yea, and it's high time WE TOSS ALL THEIR SORRY ASSES OUT!!!!
39 posted on 07/11/2002 10:46:54 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Travis McGee
Bump!!!!

g

40 posted on 07/11/2002 10:52:46 AM PDT by Geezerette
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To: kattracks
Er...are we believing the FBI this week? No suspicious thoughts about vague, unprovable warnings and bureaucratic jockeying for position in the race to see who gets the funding for the WOT?
41 posted on 07/11/2002 11:01:04 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Don Myers
That's why the FBI was so PC circumspect about the LAX shooter: there may be a million more "unconnected" muslims like him with the same motive for murder also ticking down to detonation.
42 posted on 07/11/2002 11:13:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: dennisw; Grampa Dave
The FBI could not surveil 500 suspected terrorists 24/7 much less 5,000 of them.

It takes about 20 agents minimum (working in shifts) to watch one guy 24/7, that would mean 100,000 "street agents" alone just to watch all the suspects. There are about 12,000 FBI agents in total for all missions.

IOW, fatalistic Islamicazis who plan to die anyway are basically free to roam and plan and conduct ops just as they were prior to 9-11.

43 posted on 07/11/2002 11:19:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: elfman2
Devoted muslim jihadist fanatics are never "scared and lost". That is a Western delusion projecting how an American spy might feel "lost" in Iran, and in no way covers how a five-times-a-day-praying muslim radical feels in the USA. With his Koran and prayer rug he is NEVER "lost".

These guys are prepared to get killed (like the LAX shooter), what the heck do they care about the 1% chance the FBI is tailing them? Compared to a planned suicide mass murder, what makes you think they are "scared and lost" by the minimal threat of being watched by a totally undermanned and overwhelmed FBI?

Do you think they worry about deportation or a Gitmo vacation when they are already planning suicide murder?

44 posted on 07/11/2002 11:25:33 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Plus the few good agents of the FBI are not getting any help from the local cops in Seattle, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Portland,Miami, St Louis, Houston, Dallas, Denver ________________(you fill in the blank).
45 posted on 07/11/2002 11:25:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: kattracks
One [intelligence] estimate is that there are up to 5,000 people in the United States connected to al Qaeda," one U.S. intelligence official said.

Probably way too low an estimate. If the government admits to 5000, the real number is probably closer to 100,000. When's the last time anyone's been in a gas station that was NOT operated by middle easterners??

46 posted on 07/11/2002 11:33:25 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: Travis McGee
"...there may be a million more "unconnected" muslims like him with the same motive for murder also ticking down to detonation."

And what should be alarming people is the fact that these sleepers don't even show up on the radar screen.

47 posted on 07/11/2002 11:38:14 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: kattracks
Officials said such surveillance activity is an integral part of terrorist planning, although they did not rule out that the men may have had another purpose in being there.

uh-huh, they're going to carpet the pier...

48 posted on 07/11/2002 11:49:55 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: Don Myers; Grampa Dave
Here is the most pressing security issue of the era:

How do you (or the FBI) tell the "good moderate muslims" from the covert Attas and Hadayefs?

Answer: you can't. You just have to wait for each explosion.

49 posted on 07/11/2002 11:50:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Don Myers
BTW, FOX Channel has a new Newsmagazine beginning today called The Pulse. It is on at 9 Eastern. They are supposed to talk about the Mexican/American border sitution. It might be interesting.
50 posted on 07/11/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Don Myers
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