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A New Code for Anonymous Web Use
Wired News ^ | July 12, 2002 | Noah Shachtman

Posted on 07/13/2002 1:24:48 PM PDT by KS Flyover

Edited on 06/29/2004 7:09:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK -- Peer-to-peer networks such as Morpheus and Audiogalaxy have enabled millions to trade music, movies and software freely. A group of veteran hackers is about to unveil a new peer-to-peer protocol that may eventually let millions more surf, chat and e-mail free from prying eyes.


(Excerpt) Read more at wired.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: anonymity; internet; privacy; privacylist; security; techindex; technology
"I love how (Cult of the Dead Cow is) trying to shroud this protocol with this democracy-in-China business. It's bullshit. These guys happen to be anarchists. They should just admit it," said an IT executive at a Fortune 500 company.

Does this mean it's a good thing or a bad thing?

1 posted on 07/13/2002 1:24:48 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
Good thing.
2 posted on 07/13/2002 1:29:24 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: KS Flyover
It's set up & monitored by the FBI and Dept. of Homeland Security
LOL!
3 posted on 07/13/2002 1:30:53 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: KS Flyover
It's like a gun.
4 posted on 07/13/2002 1:31:49 PM PDT by WriteOn
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To: KS Flyover
Strike one more blow against totalitarianism.
5 posted on 07/13/2002 1:32:40 PM PDT by Petronski
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To: El Sordo
"Good thing. "

It looks like it otta be a good thing.

6 posted on 07/13/2002 1:33:24 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
Anyone else remember Safeweb?
7 posted on 07/13/2002 1:35:25 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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bump
8 posted on 07/13/2002 1:41:26 PM PDT by toenail
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To: KS Flyover
If it's for privacy use of you, or I, or any regular Joe, I'm all for it. But, like every other technological advancement, it will be used to cause great harm, or for criminal activity.

So, as the great debate rages, how do we tell a regular Joe from a criminal? You can't in a free country. But, each time an Osama pushes another button, we lose more freedom.

So, what's the answer? Yes, I want to be free but I also want my friends and family to live in peace. I also want my government to perform their constitutional role of providing security.

And, just as they are dismantling the hawala system used for laundering money and terrorism, this too can, and will be dismantled. How? Another new technological advancement to track the user on this system.

9 posted on 07/13/2002 1:46:41 PM PDT by jumpstartme
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To: *Privacy_list; *tech_index
Indexing Bump!
10 posted on 07/13/2002 1:53:45 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Libertarianize the GOP
fyi
11 posted on 07/13/2002 1:56:38 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: jumpstartme
"how do we tell a regular Joe from a criminal? You can't in a free country"

Yes, freedom comes at a price. But it’s still a better buy than the alternatives.

12 posted on 07/13/2002 1:59:05 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: Aaron_A
I've received numerous spam e-mails (financial related) this past two weeks FROM my e-mail address addressed TO me. I've never seen anything like this in all my net years! Naturally, I have not responded..but I am not sure what's going on here.

Here's their disclaimer:

"This email was sent to you via Saf-E Mail Systems. Your email address was automatically inserted into the To and From addresses to eliminate undeliverables which waste bandwidth and cause internet congestion. Your email or webserver IS NOT being used for the sending of this mail. No-one else is receiving emails from your address. You may utilize the removal link below if you do not wish to receive this mailing. Please Remove Me Saf-E Mail Systems, PO Box 116-3015 San Rafael de Heredia, CR 011-506-267-7139"

13 posted on 07/13/2002 1:59:27 PM PDT by debg
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To: KS Flyover
Yeah, I supposed I should say: It could be a good thing.
14 posted on 07/13/2002 2:05:33 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Kerberos
Ain't that the truth.
15 posted on 07/13/2002 2:13:55 PM PDT by jumpstartme
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To: debg
I've received numerous spam e-mails (financial related) this past two weeks FROM my e-mail address addressed TO me.

Spammers do this to deflect complaints about their spam away from their ISP. Otherwise, a spam run would usually quickly result in their account being closed.

Use a free website like spamcop.net to trace the spam. You'll quickly find out where it really came from.

16 posted on 07/13/2002 2:32:31 PM PDT by strela
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To: KS Flyover
Good thing. Very good thing.
17 posted on 07/13/2002 2:46:20 PM PDT by general_re
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To: KS Flyover
This was a pretty one-sided article. Where are the opinions from all the detractors saying that this application will be used by terrorists and child pornographers and because of them we all must allow our internet usage to be monitored?

Jeez, What a disappointment. I was really hoping someone in this article would toss me a nice "the government must monitor your surfing habits" bone to chew on.

18 posted on 07/13/2002 2:58:35 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: jumpstartme
"Ain't that the truth. "

I've always thought so, but then again, I tend to be bias.

"Socialism - It not just for liberals anymore."

19 posted on 07/13/2002 3:57:05 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: debg; Drew68
This is now SOP for spammers - use dedicated services providers that only deal in spam. I am guessing that the company you mentioned does just that - I would say trace the source from the headers and if you are getting way too much spam, complain.

Btw, this type of stuff has been tried before. Safeweb was a CIA front company and when they had done their testing, they took if off the market. A Montreal company called Zero Knowledge had a product suite that included client software and ISP equipment that would enable annyonymous communications. Guess they had no buyers (why would ISPs put their boxes in when they have to be able to provide the govt with whatever is going over the pipes) so that product offering died.

20 posted on 07/13/2002 3:59:07 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: debg
There are good spamming filters out there. Depending on the software you use of course....but, I find the product at www.cloudmark.com to be the best. It will only work if you use Outlook or Outlook Express, but it installs easily, operates in the background and automatically filters spam from a reported list of spammers within a community of over 40,000 users.

99% of the spam that my ISP is kind enough to promote, automatically gets flushed.

Another nice feature is that it puts it into a special folder called spam, which you can review as time allows and be sure that no good mail gets hard deleted by mistake. Once you've reviewed it, you move it to the trash. Thus, It keeps it out of your inbox.

You can also add spammers to the community list if one gets through. Works great, less filling.

21 posted on 07/13/2002 4:18:24 PM PDT by jumpstartme
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To: KS Flyover
bump for a closer look. We need something like this.
22 posted on 07/13/2002 6:06:49 PM PDT by jokar
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To: jumpstartme
...how do we tell a regular Joe from a criminal? You can't in a free country.

Sometimes it seems like in this country they're trying to make regular Joes into criminals.

23 posted on 07/13/2002 9:15:46 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: KS Flyover
Bump for later
24 posted on 07/13/2002 9:28:28 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: debg
Yeah, send them a letter saying to remove your email from their list so they can lift your return email and sell you to catalog companies. Great idea.
25 posted on 07/14/2002 12:42:49 AM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: jumpstartme
If we had been more careful about visa controls, border security, and in enforcing existing airline security, 9/11 would have been prevented or attenuated. If we deport radical Moslems, they can e-mail each other encrypted steganographs all they want.
26 posted on 07/14/2002 6:02:13 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Kerberos
Kerberos: Yes, freedom comes at a price. But it’s still a better buy than the alternatives.

LibKill: DANG! I wish I had said that!

Kerberos: You will, LibKill, you will.

Apologies to Monty Python. :)

27 posted on 07/14/2002 6:19:20 AM PDT by LibKill
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To: eno_
Yeah, if not prevented, it sure would've been much harder for them to pull off. And, we must stay vigilant to not let the damn socialists set us up again.
28 posted on 07/14/2002 11:29:23 AM PDT by jumpstartme
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To: LibKill
"Kerberos: You will, LibKill, you will. "

LOL

29 posted on 07/14/2002 8:19:01 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: jumpstartme
"Yes, I want to be free but I also want my friends and family to live in peace"

You want PEACE?

Graveyards are filled with orderly, neat and clean rows of people who are experiencing complete peace... and peace is way overrated imho.

I would rather die free, in a struggle to maintain absolute individualism and the freedome it engenders, than to "enjoy" the peacefulness of a prison cell.

I wish that for my kids too.

The idea that government of anything = peace... is ridiculous in the extreme, WE HAVE never HAD as many laws on the books; state, local and federal than we have today.. never in the history of man. Has it diminished crime or increased moral virtue statistically in any realm? I would argue NO.

In fact, the more they try and govern us, the worse our culture gets... maybe we need to try a different tack... but we wont. WE keep doing the same thing by writing more laws, but expecting different results... its crazy.

Freedom by its nature means DANGER... after all a person who is free to do what they will, MAY do the wrong thing. But I wonder, if making laws made people do right, wouldn't the trend lines be going the other way?

We need a LOT less government, not a slower growth of the same. We need to ratchet it way way back to about the 1825's level or thereabouts. Government needs to go on a serious crash diet... before it kills us all off, by starving us to death with taxes and needless regulations.

30 posted on 07/16/2002 12:30:32 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Aaron_A
I do and I miss it dearly!
31 posted on 10/17/2002 8:44:36 PM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: KS Flyover
bumpity bump
32 posted on 03/09/2003 2:23:57 AM PST by FirstTomato ("We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King)
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