Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions

Taipei Times ^ | 7-18-02 | Lin Miao-Jung

[tallhappy]

Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions

HOLIDAY NIGHTMARE: Chinese birth-control personnel have forced at least six brides of Taiwan men to undergo pregnancy tests and ordered them to have abortions
By Lin Miao-Jung
STAFF REPORTER

Chinese brides of Taiwanese men who went to China to visit their families were ordered by Beijing to have abortions or to undergo surgery to have their fallopian tubes tied. They were also fined and threatened with punishment under China's one-child policy if they had more children, a Taiwan official said yesterday.

The Straits Exchange Foundation (SEF, ®ü°ò·|) yesterday distributed a news release to reporters saying that, since the beginning of last year, the foundation has received six complaints regarding such cases.

Patricia Lin (ªL²Q¶{), director of the SEF's Department of Legal Services, said yesterday the victims told the foundation that, if Chinese birth-control personnel found that a Chinese bride of a Taiwanese man already had one child, they would force her to undergo a pregnancy test and tell her to have an abortion if she is found to be pregnant.

According to Lin, Chinese birth-control personnel also told Chinese brides who already had given birth to two children to undergo surgery to have their fallopian tubes tied. The women were also fined and their children's identification cards were confiscated as punishment for violating China's family planning regulations.

In addition, even if such a bride was pregnant with her first child, the Chinese birth-control personnel would tell her to have an abortion because "they did not get permission from the government to give birth," which is required in China.

"The victims only described what the Chinese officials told them to do, but we don't know for a fact if anyone was truly forced to have an abortion because they keep it private," Lin said.

Lin said that China's birth-control personnel might not fully understand Taiwanese law, and viewed the Taiwan-based brides' babies as an added burden on an overpopulated China.

"Under current Taiwanese regulations, children from cross-strait marriages can be registered as permanent residents of Taiwan, so they won't be a burden to China," Lin said.

She added that China's actions have seriously abused the rights of those who are bound together in cross-strait marriages.

The SEF reminded these couples to prepare for similar treatment if they intend to visit China.

The foundation also sent a letter last week to its Chinese counterpart, the Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait (ARATS, ®ü¨ó·|), to ask it to protect the rights of Chinese brides.

[tallhappy]

Lin said that China's birth-control personnel might not fully understand Taiwanese law, and viewed the Taiwan-based brides' babies as an added burden on an overpopulated China.

These Taiwanese officials are much to nice and polite.

The ChiComs are not doing this for population control reasons. It is a pure power play and way to control and dominate.

It is psychological and meant only to manifest their "authority" in the coarsest most inhumane form imaginable.

The barbarism and misanthropy of the Chinese government cannot be overstated.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

fyi

[TLBSHOW]

Wait they are a partner, yeah right. Get our companies out of china now.

BEFORE CHINA JUST TAKES THEM ALL.

Which is their plan.

[FreedomFriend]

They're not going to do that. It's about Globalism and the new world order. They're not going to let that happen. It's insane when a nation like China is given indefinite favored trading status with their forced abortions.

As you can see, it is part of the plan.

[ChicagoRepublican]

This is just evil. The whole regime in China is just plain evil. Khmer Rouge, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Caligulan Rome, Mahmud of Ghor evil. They've commited so many crimes against humanity the last few decades: trashed cultures, destroyed religions and crushed the spirit of a whole nation. Yet even after the Great Leap Forward and the ensuing chaos, the Tiananmen Square Massacre and the horrible forced abortions or live birth deaths have all happened the world doesn't seem to care. Republicans and Democrats just care about business. Why is it so hard for this country to wake up and face the reality that China is just as big of a threat to civilization as runaway Islamic fundamentalism is. We can't trade away an enemy.

[FreedomFriend]

It's about deindustrialization and the new world order. The Bible speaks of a two hundred million man army. China has that capability.

[Mo1]

Chinese brides of Taiwanese men who went to China to visit their families were ordered by Beijing to have abortions or to undergo surgery to have their fallopian tubes tied.

Just because they went to visit family??

Good Lord

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, this is who both parties have chosen to do business with. And when challenged the braintrusts on this forum suggested that corporations knew what was best for our economy several years ago. Now that the NASDAQ and the Dow are under severe downward pressure from malfeasance by major corporations, it would interesting to watch those defenses trotted out again.

Corporations DO NOT always have this nation's best interests at heart. They consider their corporation's interests first last and always.

[Captainpaintball]

I've always wondered about what you just stated. What is stopping China from taking control of factories when (YES, I said WHEN) we finaly go to war with them? A toolmaking factory could be converted into a weapons factory. An automoblie factory will turn into a tank factory, clothing factories will be used to make military uniforms, etc. They will get all the tools, buildings, and semi-skilled workers for free. I know they are laughing at our shortsightedness and stupidity; they can't believe how easy it will be to defeat us.

All those manufactured goods we love so much (from clothes, toys, computers, etc.) will disappear from the shelves, our economy will go down the toilet, and we will have to rush to get a manufacturing base (not to mention skilled workers) back in our mainland. Can you imagine that generation of teenagers complaining about having to go to work?

[TLBSHOW]

Of course they will just take them like they just took these babies. How mush more do they want to take the factories from the stupid American fool that ever set foot there and set up shop.

How many small parts to run things are we dependent on China for now?

I have no idea but I bet there are some. Where would we get the flags from. I know it will never happen. And 911 would never of happened.

[Vidalia]

AW, C'mon guys!

Don't ya just know if we follow the "Can't we all just get along " policies of the Congressional members of the Nationalist-Socialist, Communists and Independents that all the world leaders will come to their senses and throw away all their baby killing weapons and just acquiesce to "everything the Greenies and Commies and Nationalist-Socialists and Moderates and all the rest of the Idiot Brain-Dead SOBs of the world" want?

NOT!

[Vidalia]

Of course I agree.

China is to Taiwan as Iraq is to Kuwait.

I should be more blunt at times.

[The Raven]

Hey, this is where we're going. I can see the future headline now...."Democrats Determine Capitalism is in the Genes - Order Republican abortions"

[self_evident]

The ChiComs are not doing this for population control reasons. It is a pure power play and way to control and dominate.

Yes. They'd never try this on a U.S. resident.

In that case I'm sure the State Department would step up and defend them, just like they do with the Saudi's.

[Sacajaweau]

And this dear pro abortion mongers is what it is all about.

You have a right to "bear" a child not a "right" to kill a child.

Sac

[chemainus]

Over the centuries, over two hundred viable civilizations have been intersected by Chinese expansion. Today not a single one of those civilizations exists. Anthropologists are still hard-pressed to understand the inherent insect-like monolithic need for obedience and a single mindset that has characterized China over the ages. Egocentricity reigns supreme. The universe is centered physically in China. Until we understand the ramifications of this mindset, we are on the road to joining those vanished several hundred civilizations.

[chemainus]

Over the centuries, over two hundred viable civilizations have been intersected by Chinese expansion. Today not a single one of those civilizations exists. Anthropologists are still hard-pressed to understand the inherent insect-like monolithic need for obedience and a single mindset that has characterized China over the ages. Egocentricity reigns supreme. The universe is centered physically in China. Until we understand the ramifications of this mindset, we are on the road to joining those vanished several hundred civilizations.

[MSSC6644]

bttt

[waterstraat]

Didn't you know that America is responsible for all of this - and everything else thats wrong with the world?

The republicans and democrats have already recognized that it is our fault, and have taken measures to correct it. That is why america has increased legal immigration so much from China. So has Canada and Australia. Obviously, the record numbers of chinese that we are now letting into this country is still not enough, and that is why there are so many illegal immgrants entering america, canada, and australia.

Until america increases its chinese immigrant quota to be at least as much as what china's population is increasing each year, then china will still have a problem with overpopulation.

This is old news, it was in Pat Buchannans book(Death of the West) a year ago.

The situation will improve in China after we take in a few hundred million chinese immigrants, and not until then. We are getting there..

There are few americans against denying immigration, or who do not want immigration to increase, and no political party is against increased immigration.

[Flyer]

Chinese brides of Taiwanese men who went to China to visit their families were ordered by Beijing to have abortions

Remember, if you shop at Wal-Mart this is what you are helping to support. Don't buy Chinese products at Wal-Mart or anywhere else!

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[SlickWillard]

Welcome to the 21st century.

[JMJ333]

Am I surprised? No.

Prayers for the Chinese people who have suffered so much under communism.

[fporretto]

There is nothing I could add to the comments already made about this outrage except...

Can't we take them out now, please? Before they do the same to other defenseless women in their country by happenstance -- or for that matter, to more of their own?

Is there anything that's more horrifying than a coerced abortion?

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

[ArrogantBustard]

Coerced abortion is infinitely more heinous than grilled kitty-kat. That thread went to several hundred posts. I bet this one doesn't break 50.

AB

[sheik yerbouty]

We should have a one China policy, and that China's capitol is Taipei!

[FreedomFarmer]

Can you imagine that generation of teenagers complaining about having to go to work?

Not to worry, George and Vincente have found a few spare employees for Americanos to supervise.

[flamefront]

You know the way you wrote that, it could be construed as coming right from the mouths of the ChiCom butchers themselves. I won't flame you though for that ambiguous oversight.

(The statement also reminds me of the patronizing statements made about we need to better understand Islam.)

[Demidog]

This is the kind of government some people wish America would become. That is why they support CPS agencies so vehemently. After all, if it saves one child......

[flamefront]

What you said!

since the beginning of last year

Yikes.

A newly married Taiwanese visits the mainland and is forced to abort before returning. Outrageous. That has to be considered a direct attack on Taiwan and its people. Yet no news of this for a year and a half?

Taiwanese are succumbing to the ChiCom threat all to willingly.

[antidisestablishment]

Yep. It's a sign of the times....

Bin Laden is nothing compared to Bejing. Yet, we continue to sell our children into slavery for a mess o' pottage.

[Black Agnes]

Yup, and the Chinese immigrants I work with are all the 'Hate America' kind that take OBL and Arafat as gospel and think we deserved 9/11. YAY, fifth column...happy happy joy joy...let's admit more! /sarcasm

[Ronaldus Magnus]

I hope the Republic of China has a few nukes of its own tucked away for that inevitable day when the People's Republic decides it's time to "reunify". Incinerated in a nuclear armageddon would be preferable to having one's family live under that regime. Let's pray that China soon has a real democratic revolution.

[flamefront]

From the Taiwan govt on Cross-Strait Relations
http://www.gio.gov.tw/taiwan-website/5-gp/yearbook/chpt07-4.htm

Organizational Structures

In addition to a clear set of principles and laws guiding the development of relations, appropriate channels of communication are also an obvious necessity. In 1990 and 1991, the ROC government set up a three-tier network of government and private-sector institutions to handle relations with the Chinese mainland. The National Unification Council was established in September 1990. Then, in January 1991, the Executive Yuan's Mainland Affairs Council ¦æ¬F°|¤j³°©eû·| (MAC) was formed. In February 1991, MAC approved the formation of a private non-profit organization, the Straits Exchange Foundation ®ü®l¥æ¬y°òª÷·| (SEF).

National Unification Council

The National Unification Council functions as an advisory board and provides the president with research findings and ideas. The NUC is generally headed by the president, with opposition party members as deputies, and respected civic leaders as members. The tenure for NUC members is one year, renewable at the president's discretion. As a multiparty board, the NUC attempts to reach a consensus on the reunification of China.

Mainland Affairs Council

The Mainland Affairs Council, a formal administrative agency of the Executive Yuan, is responsible for the overall planning, coordination, evaluation, and implementation of the ROC government's policy toward the Chinese mainland. As a decision-making body, it also oversees rules and regulations proposed by various ministries concerning cross-strait relations. MAC is headed by a chairman and three vice chairmen and is organized into seven departments and three divisions.

Straits Exchange Foundation

The Straits Exchange Foundation, headed by a chairman and drawing its funds from both the private sector and the government, is the only private organization authorized by the government to handle relations with the mainland. Nevertheless, the SEF currently deals only with matters of a technical or business nature that might involve the government's public authority, but would be inappropriate for the ROC government to handle under its policy of no official contacts with the mainland authorities. Accordingly, the SEF is not authorized to discuss political issues. "Policy dialogue," as exemplified by talks concerning the establishment of direct postal, commercial, and transportation links, is an area of relations that MAC may authorize the SEF to conduct on its behalf.

Such bureaucratic entanglements.

[Blood of Tyrants]

And not a word from the pro-"choice" groups.

[TwilightDog]

Two hundred viable civilizations? Could you provide us with any Internet address links or maybe a concise condensed overview? And could you perhaps elaborate on this cultural anthropology phenomenon of the Chinese that you made reference to?

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"...even if such a bride was pregnant with her first child, the Chinese birth-control personnel would tell her to have an abortion because "they did not get permission from the government to give birth," which is required in China."

Am I the only one on this thread whose hair stood straight up in horror at that statement?

There are those who claim that Communist China is changing, liberalising, becoming kinder and gentler. But until the day comes that statements like that are obsolete forever, we would be wise to reject those contentions.

[tallhappy]

There are those who claim that Communist China is changing, liberalising, becoming kinder and gentler. But until the day comes that statements like that are obsolete forever, we would be wise to reject those contentions.

Yes.

There is will full ignorance and purposeful denial about the amount of power the communist regime wields and uses over the populace.

[chemainus]

Flame on bro! This is Chinese thought and cultural/anthropological history. Use your head man. It is PRECISELY this philosophy that simultaneously 1) allows China to ride roughshod over anyone or anything with no qualms or guilt and 2) it tells you what that will do. If you do not know a person's philosophy, you have no way of predicting actions. As for the guy who wants references, there are whole scholarly books, many even written by liberals. He can go educate himself. I'm not in much of a mood for BS today.

[tallhappy]

Coerced abortion is infinitely more heinous than grilled kitty-kat. That thread went to several hundred posts. I bet this one doesn't break 50.

Yep. And you were right. You called it.

[Askel5]

I'm sick and tired of folks pointing a finger at China for what they do to their own when our government had made Legal Abortion a linchpin of BOTH domestic AND foreign population control policy since 1974.

No nation has done more -- including with the help of gabillions of dollars from the Gates and Turners and Buffets -- to spread worldwide the coercive "USaid" that are the "healthcare mechanisms" of abortion and birth control.

Simply because we enshrine in some lofty principle the mother-only "right" to seek abortions -- to the tune of over one million American lives aborted annually -- doesn't make for a substantive difference between our coercive and China's more forcible means of implementing population control strategies.

Quite frankly, I find the conditioning of folks to treat Evil as a Good the far more malevolent and despicable practice. At least the Chinese still must be forced to have abortions.

Over here we've taken to the Culture of Death like a duck to water ... to the point where the State is finally getting concerned: making noises now about how abortions really should be "reduced" and encouraging the Ideal Citizen (the homosexual) to marry and "procreate" courtesy of the Non-Person commodities market which makes ready-made and designer Potential Children available for those who can prove their Economic fitness for adding a dependent or two to their tax returns.

[Askel5]

There is will full ignorance and purposeful denial about the amount of power the communist regime wields and uses over the populace.

"Abortion is VITAL to the solution" ... A Key Point from Kissinger's NSSM-200 (1974)

[Askel5]

HEGEMON: Confucianist on the Outside, Legalist on the Inside

A few of the reasons the Soviets were somewhat shortsighted in their nourishment of Chinese communists. Poor Russia straddles the East and the West and so naturally has been in the catbird seat of playing both ends against the middle.

Having rotted the west from the inside-out, however, with gramscian marxists and their drug and terror offensives ... they've drastically reduced their chances to put up a decent "coalition" defense once China's ready to clean their clock.

[arm958]

Lin said that China's birth-control personnel might not fully understand Taiwanese law, and viewed the Taiwan-based brides' babies as an added burden on an overpopulated China.

This line made me livid, as it apparently did to most of you who read it. Occasionally I think that we need to learn to grudgingly get along with China, since they are the up-and-coming power in Asia, whether we like it or not. Then I read something like this and rid myself of that foolish notion. They are barbarians. I wish more Americans would join me in refusing to buy Chinese goods.

[arm958]

Can't we take them out now, please?

I honestly feel that in 20 years we will be howling in anguish over failing to do precisely what you are asking.

[arm958]

At least the Chinese still must be forced to have abortions.

Unless they know that the child will be female. Oh hell, who needs prior knowledge; ultrasounds are probably rare in China. They can always kill their infant daughters, and they frequently do.

[Mfkmmof4]

And some silly folks in the US want Bush to release the funds for world population control...I say NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Centurion2000]

Coerced abortion is infinitely more heinous than grilled kitty-kat. That thread went to several hundred posts. I bet this one doesn't break 50.

I'll be happy to bump this one back up then.

We should assassinate or just nuke the PRC government. Nothing against the people; their government is just a hand of Satan it seems.

[MD_Willington_1976]

"Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions"

As a rebutal to Beijing...

Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese men order Beijing to SHUT THE HELL UP !! & MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!!

Headline I would like to see...