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6:00 Samantha Runnion Press Conference... Live thread.

Posted on 07/19/2002 6:32:07 PM PDT by Partisan Hack

The Sherriff just said that he is 100% certain that Alejandro Avila is the man that kidnapped, raped, and murdered Samantha.


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1 posted on 07/19/2002 6:32:07 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Partisan Hack
Wow. But the sketch does fit Avila to a T.
2 posted on 07/19/2002 6:33:16 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Partisan Hack
The 911 call was so chilling. But the 911 caller expressed the horror and outrage we all feel. Bravo to the cops and the good folks who turned this monster in.
3 posted on 07/19/2002 6:35:11 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Utah Girl
Whoever did it must be taken out so that he will never harm another again.
4 posted on 07/19/2002 6:35:27 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Partisan Hack
Can they do a rush job on DNA? Just curious. I heard it took several weeks to complete.
5 posted on 07/19/2002 6:36:28 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: anniegetyourgun
Cops said they are '100% certain' Avila is the man. They must have lab results back. Also, Avila had scratches all over his legs, which are consistent with a child kicking and scraping him.
6 posted on 07/19/2002 6:37:08 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Utah Girl
The ripple effect of this evil deed will be with us for a long time. Little children will be afraid and parents will be reluctant to allow their children outside to play alone.

Justice must be swift and terrible or there will be no justice at all. Damn the murderer to hell......for all eternity.

7 posted on 07/19/2002 6:37:31 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: anniegetyourgun
How about they release the 911 call from the Smart case?
8 posted on 07/19/2002 6:37:33 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Partisan Hack
I couldn't keep from shedding tears while listening to that 911 call. Just looking at my two year-old son while that call was aired was too much.
9 posted on 07/19/2002 6:37:49 PM PDT by Genesis defender
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To: Genesis defender
I started crying too... how horrible for that young man.
10 posted on 07/19/2002 6:40:20 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Partisan Hack
With all deference to our founders, I can see no punishment for such a horrendous crime which could be considered, "Cruel or unusual."
11 posted on 07/19/2002 6:41:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Partisan Hack
That's an awfully strong statement unless they have indisputable proof.
I would be really interested in what proof they have.
12 posted on 07/19/2002 6:41:45 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: OldFriend
Yes, I think of the innocent childhood I had, my parents warned me about taking candy from strangers, but now parents have to tell their children so much more. Very sad to take away some of the innocence of childhood, but I would rather have my children safe than have them have to endure what poor little Samantha went through.

As far as justice goes, he'd better pay for his deeds with his life. And every time I hear of a child molestation or murder, I think of Matthew 18:6, which says that it is better that a millstone be wrapped around ones' neck than to harm a child.

13 posted on 07/19/2002 6:42:11 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Just another Joe
That's an awfully strong statement unless they have indisputable proof.

To top it off, he said it TWICE! I've never heard ANY member of law enforcement speak with such certainty.

14 posted on 07/19/2002 6:44:47 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Just another Joe
I am sure that you will, although I doubt that you will accept it. Hooah
15 posted on 07/19/2002 6:44:58 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Genesis defender
Did the crime occur in that glorious bastion of unfettered socialism - California? If Avila is found "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt"...won't he receive "life in prison", ie., 7 years?

If all the above is true, then any logical person should assume that California is THE PLACE to commit mayhem.
16 posted on 07/19/2002 6:45:48 PM PDT by HarryArmpitch
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To: Partisan Hack
For whomever does this perversion...


17 posted on 07/19/2002 6:45:50 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: Utah Girl
I couldn't agree more. Avila had better pray that he be kept in solitary confinement while in police custody and (if convicted) while in prison. Inmates don't take kindly to child molesters, esp. little kids.
18 posted on 07/19/2002 6:47:03 PM PDT by Genesis defender
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To: OldFriend
I am sad that little Samantha is gone, but very glad they caught him before he struck again. And he would have struck again. I suspect they have the goods on him and this will stick.
19 posted on 07/19/2002 6:48:05 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Partisan Hack
If this case doesn't gain support for the death penalty, I don't know what will. Not even a prison guard should have to deal with the evil who killed Samantha.
20 posted on 07/19/2002 6:48:05 PM PDT by tell me
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To: Partisan Hack
They spent nearly a half an hour patting each other on the back...hugging each other and self glorifying. Whats up with that? No evidence, no assurances....just back patting...kind of weird. How does America know if this is the guy? Then, the sherrif says..oh, yeah we're %100 sure this is the guy..good nite and God bless all of us who are paid to do our jobs...and then come on national t.v. and congratulate ourselves...how ridiculous...there's a little girl that was just brutally murdered and they're high fiving each other for doing their jobs...stoopid.
21 posted on 07/19/2002 6:48:18 PM PDT by Shaka
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To: Utah Girl
Here's some info I haven't seen before from LA Channel 4

Story

"... Adelina Avila told NBC4 that authorities removed bedding and two pairs of shoes from her apartment Thursday. Authorities also seized Alejandro Avila's car and his mother's white rental car. ...

NBC4's Mary Parks spoke to the apartment manager of the complex where Avila is believed to have lived with his mother and sister. The manager said she noticed a man "lurking" around vehicles in the parking lot Tuesday night. After recognizing Avila, the apartment manager realized that Avila was acting suspiciously around his own car. ...

One of Avila's neighbors told NBC4 that Avila changed the tires on his car earlier this week.
22 posted on 07/19/2002 6:49:00 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Genesis defender
I just learned that in California, Child molesters are housed in the general population, not given solitary.

The mind reals with possibilities...

23 posted on 07/19/2002 6:49:14 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Partisan Hack
Bump for later read
24 posted on 07/19/2002 6:50:22 PM PDT by Alissa
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To: Partisan Hack
My son died around this time in 94. While I'm watching this with all of you I drift back to that time feeling that pain that only those damned to go through the loss of a child can know. Please left these parents up and that poor man that was led to find her too in your prayers for the next year or so.
25 posted on 07/19/2002 6:50:42 PM PDT by BellStar
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To: Partisan Hack
Personally, I am getting fed up with hearing what parents can do to protect their kids, instead of hearing about what is going to be done about keeping all sexual predators off the streets! And I mean even the ones that ATTEMPT an abduction. Why have any tolerance for rape and murder of children ? I just don't get it. This crap about registering sex offenders when they move into a community is CRAP...why are they allowed to live in our communities??????????
26 posted on 07/19/2002 6:50:56 PM PDT by I-couldnt-make-this-stuff-up!
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To: Partisan Hack
The back patting, hugging and high-fiving was a little weird. I think it was relief on their part more than anything else.

It kind of reminded me of the self-congratulatory celebrations by the FBI after the Unibomber was arrested....He was turned in by his brother for God's sake!

27 posted on 07/19/2002 6:53:01 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: veronica
I posted it on another thread, but here it is again.

NBC4.TV News

and the webpage:"Transcript Of 911 Call Call Placed By Man Who Found Body Of Samantha Runnion
This is a transcript of the 911 call made to authorities shortly after a man identified as "Justin" discovered the murdered body of 5-year-old Samantha Runnion.

NBC4.TV NEWS
It is emotional.

28 posted on 07/19/2002 6:53:49 PM PDT by runningbear
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To: umgud
Some young girls are reporting that this animal tried to lure them into his car a few weeks ago.

There is no doubt in my mind that the little girl who was the eye witness saved other lives with her observations under such terrible circumstances.

29 posted on 07/19/2002 6:53:58 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Utah Girl
I guess mill stones work. I know that a noose works, arround the neck of peoople that harm our young ones. Of course after a trial, by a jury of their piers. How in the world can you find 12 people to sit on a jury that have molested and killed 5 year olds? Piers. Go figure. Hooah!
30 posted on 07/19/2002 6:54:32 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Partisan Hack
the first 2/3 of the news conference did seem very political.
31 posted on 07/19/2002 6:57:10 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Partisan Hack
After the "FBI can't work with the CIA fiasco" related to 9/11, tonight they were trying to show the world that they've changed...they're better now. Americans can trust them again to do their jobs.
32 posted on 07/19/2002 6:57:13 PM PDT by tell me
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To: Vidalia
I couldn't disagree more. It's too quick.
33 posted on 07/19/2002 6:58:22 PM PDT by HarryArmpitch
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To: I-couldnt-make-this-stuff-up!
rape of children ? I just don't get it.

It's just sex. What's the big deal?

< / sarcasm>

34 posted on 07/19/2002 6:58:40 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: tall_tex
I am sure that you will, although I doubt that you will accept it.

Don't bet your bottom dollar on it.
I'm the kind that believes in REASONABLE doubt.
OJ would have been toast if the jury would have been me.

35 posted on 07/19/2002 6:58:48 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe
Well, they did say that there was an abundance of physical evidence at the scene.
36 posted on 07/19/2002 6:58:55 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Utah Girl
We lived in the town where John List murdered his mother, wife, and his children one by one as they came home from school. Years later he was caught after a sculpture was shown on America's Most Wanted.

Reading about the case something stuck in my mind all these years......the schoolmates of the murdered children became afraid that their dad would murder them too.

The damage done to society by these criminals is long lasting and unforgivable.

37 posted on 07/19/2002 6:59:17 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: HarryArmpitch
Totally agree
38 posted on 07/19/2002 6:59:58 PM PDT by I-couldnt-make-this-stuff-up!
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To: Partisan Hack
I wish they had been successful in time to save Samantha. Speaking from personal experience, even a guilty verdict with the death penalty will not bring closure. I lost a close relative through murder and rape. Though the perpetrator was arrested, tried and convicted, I will never get over the horror of how my cousin died, and the shame I felt that I was incredulous that it could happen in a family in middle class America.

We had a case in St. Louis that has never been solved. A ten year-old girl was taken from her home, driven to a remote location in a game preserve, gang raped, skinned, tied to a tree and allowed to die of exposure, alone in the dark in the woods. She was not a pretty child, her parents were involved in small time drug trafficing and were not an attractive pair. It was 8 years ago at Thanksgiving when Cassidy Senter was taken, tortured and killed and, to this day, not a Thanksgiving goes by that my thoughts aren't with this child.

I guess Samantha's family is lucky to know who did it. In Cassidy's case, I'm not sure I'd use luck to describe it. Even though this little girl was a pudgy, stringy haired, sallow-skinned child, her eyes still had the joy of childhood, and I'll never stop hoping God has a special place on his lap for all these sweet children. Pray for all those who have lost loved ones through such painful circumstances.

39 posted on 07/19/2002 7:02:12 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Shaka
Thankyou so much for that post.As I was listening to the Oscar Award winning performance extolling the wondrfulness of just everyone involved and the cooperation and the swiftness with which everyone coordinated and cooperated I got nauseous.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to any of them that that is what they get paid to do and if they had really been on their toes a report of an abducted child that they received within 4 minutes of the abduction should have led to an apprehension of the suspect before he raped and killed that little girl.

I am ordinarily very supportive of the police and would never have thought to criticize them except after listening to the adulation they bestowed on one another my thoughts started straying and that's when I got mad and started thinking ratiionally,see above.

40 posted on 07/19/2002 7:03:27 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Partisan Hack
Initially I thought the same thing about the back patting, etc., but after a while realized most of those men looked positively wrung out from this ordeal. Whatever this monster did to Samantha shook law enforcement to the core.
41 posted on 07/19/2002 7:04:02 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: runningbear; Utah Girl
Check out the "Neighbors Speak" video (middle left link) via the second link at Post 28. Worth viewing.
42 posted on 07/19/2002 7:04:41 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: I-couldnt-make-this-stuff-up!
"Why have any tolerance for rape and murder of children ?"

We began having tolerance for rape and child murder in this country when rape was used as the original excuse to legitimize the murder of unborn children. It has been downhill from there. We do not place any sacred value on human life in this society any longer and unless and until this changes, the evil will continue to grow and thrive.

43 posted on 07/19/2002 7:06:15 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
Well, they did say that there was an abundance of physical evidence at the scene.

If that's the case, with a statement like that, I'd say that they most likely have their man.

44 posted on 07/19/2002 7:06:21 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Partisan Hack
Hey, PH, they deserve all the kudos and props. They did a magnificent job of taking this bastard off the street before he could kill again. No wonder they are on a high. Wonderful wonderful police work.

Compare them with Dinse and his Merry Men. The Smart case will soon be in its second month. No sketch; a description that has changed several times; a truckload of red herrings; and public announcements that get more bizarre every day.
45 posted on 07/19/2002 7:06:44 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: McLynnan
Aparently the "pose" is what got to them.

KFI reported that she was on her back, arms extended, and legs spread -- bent at the knees. Sorry to be so graphic, but it's enough to break any man.

46 posted on 07/19/2002 7:07:43 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Partisan Hack; Utah Girl; veronica; anniegetyourgun; Slyfox; rintense; Genesis defender
Go here to see an article on a GPS TRACKING BRACELET FOR CHILDREN:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/719287/posts
47 posted on 07/19/2002 7:08:25 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Shaka
They spent nearly a half an hour patting each other on the back...hugging each other and self glorifying. Whats up with that? No evidence, no assurances....just back patting...kind of weird. How does America know if this is the guy? Then, the sherrif says..oh, yeah we're %100 sure this is the guy..good nite and God bless all of us who are paid to do our jobs...and then come on national t.v. and congratulate ourselves...how ridiculous...there's a little girl that was just brutally murdered and they're high fiving each other for doing their jobs...stoopid.

I couldn't agree with you more. Just a damned bunch of bureaucrats getting their face time. What in the hell do they think they are being paid for?

The most egregious aspect of this "photo op" was the fact that not one of these damned bureaucrats gave one ounce of credit to the traumatized 5 year old playmate of Samantha who not only gave them the description of the car that they should look for, but she came up with an uncanny resemblence to the perp. I doubt that one in ten adults could have done as good a job. This little girl, who lost her friend, is the single most person responsible for solving this case.

49 posted on 07/19/2002 7:09:00 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Palladin
Compare them with Dinse and his Merry Men. The Smart case will soon be in its second month. No sketch; a description that has changed several times; a truckload of red herrings; and public announcements that get more bizarre every day.

Agreed. Release the Smart 911 tape!

50 posted on 07/19/2002 7:09:58 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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