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To: Askel5
And, in light of our Declaration, are citizens created or born?

The declaration doesn't say one way or the other. It says that our Creator endowed us with certain rights.

The 14th says that you can't be afforded protection until you are a citizen. Actually it was Justice Taney who said that, in contradiction to every sensible common law edict prior to his racist nonsense, and it was the Congress that passed along his "wisdom."

That's why you find alot of folks under the delusion that one's human rights are dependent upon geography.

At any rate, nobody has a right to be born. It's a crapshoot. Life isn't fair and any attempt to make it fair results in widespread suffering.

42 posted on 07/20/2002 4:05:05 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

It says they're created.

49 posted on 07/20/2002 4:47:12 PM PDT by Pistias
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