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Who Were The Knights Templar? (Sunday History Read)
www.templarhistory.com ^ | undated | Stephen Dafoe and Alan Butler

Posted on 07/21/2002 10:01:31 AM PDT by Hacksaw

The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed at the end of the First Crusade with the mandate of protecting Christian pilgrims on route to the Holy Land. Never before had a group of secular knights banded together and took monastic vows. In this sense they were the first of the Warrior Monks.

From humble beginnings of poverty when the order relied on alms from the traveling pilgrims, the order would go on to have the backing of the Holy See and the collective European monarchies.

Within two centuries they had become powerful enough to defy all but the Papal throne. Feared as warriors, respected for their charity and sought out for their wealth, there is no doubt that the Templar knights were the key players of the monastic fighting orders. Due to their vast wealth and surplus of materials the Templars essentially invented banking, as we know it. The church forbade the lending of money for interest, which they called usury. The Templars, being the clever sort they were, changed the manner in which loans were paid and were able to skirt the issue and finance even kings.

They were destroyed, perhaps because of this wealth or fear of their seemingly limitless powers. In either case, the order met with a rather untimely demise at the hands of the Pope and the King of France in 1307 and by 1314, "The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon" ceased to exist.

Although originally a small group of nine knights, they quickly gained fame largely due to the backing of Bernard of Clairvaux and his "In Praise of the New Knighthood". Bernard at that time was often called the Second Pope and was the chief spokesman of Christendom. He is also the one responsible for helping to draw up the order's rules of conduct.

In European political circles, they became very powerful and influential. This was because they were immune from any authority save that of the Papal Throne. (Pope Innocent II exempted the Templars from all authority except the Pope.) After the crusades were over, the knights returned to their Chapters throughout Europe and became known as moneylenders to the monarchs. In the process many historians believe they invented the Banking System. The Templars fought along side King Richard I (Richard The Lion Hearted) and other Crusaders in the battles for the Holy Lands.

The secret meetings and rituals of the knights would eventually cause their downfall. The King of France, Philip the Fair used these rituals and meetings to his advantage to destroy the knights. The real reason for his crushing the Templars was that he felt threatened by their power and immunity. In 1307, Philip, who desperately needed funds, to support his war against England's Edward I made his move against the Knights Templar.

On October 13th, 1307, King Philip had all the Templars arrested on the grounds of heresy, since this was the only charge that would allow the seizing of their money and assets. The Templars were tortured and as a result, ridiculous confessions were given. These confessions included:

Trampling and spitting on the cross

Homosexuality and Sodomy

Worshipping of the Baphomet

Philip was successful in ridding the Templars of their power and wealth and urged all fellow Christian leaders to do the same thing. On March 19th, 1314 the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake. De Molay is said to have cursed King Philip and Pope Clement as he burned asking both men to join him within a year. Whether he actually uttered the curse or if it is simply an apocryphal tale what remains as fact is that Clement died only one month later and Philip IV seven months after that.


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To: SR71A
General Washington's Inauguration in NYC, April 30, 1789

1. Frederick William von Steuben, a Mason, was an army officer and aide-de-camp to Frederick the Great of Prussia. Von Steuben became a Major General during the Revolution and was known as the "drill master of the Continental Army."

2. John Jay, right and in the foreground, then Secretary of State, later became a Supreme Court Justice.

3. John Adams was the first Vice President and became the second President of the United States .

4. Henry Lee, a Mason, was known as "Light Horse Harry Lee" because of his brilliant cavalry operations in the Revolutionary War. He was also the father of General Robert E. Lee.

5. Robert R. Livingston, a Mason, was Chancellor of the State of New York and Grand Master of New York Masons from 1784 to 1800. He is to Lee's right, by the railing.

6. Samuel Otis, Secretary of the Senate, holds the Bible from St. John's Lodge No. 1, New York City.

7. George Washington, a Mason, stands with his right hand placed on the Bible.

8. Morgan Lewis, a Mason, was Grand Marshall during this ceremony and later became a Major General in the War of 1812. He was elected Grand Master of New York Masons in 1830.

9. Frederick A. C. Muhlenberg, a Mason, appears in a gold-colored coat. Born in Pennsylvania, he was educated in Germany as a Lutheran clergyman and was the elected Speaker of the House of Representatives.

10. Arthur St. Clair, a Mason, is dressed in military uniform. He was born in Scotland and came to America with the British Army in 1757 only to become a Major General in the Continental Army. At the time of the inauguration, he was the Governor of the Northwest Territory.

11. George Clinton, next to St. Clair, was Governor of New York at the time of the inauguration.

12. Henry Knox, a Mason, was a close adviser to Washington and a Major General and Chief of Artillery in the Revolutionary Army. He is to the far right in the painting and was Secretary of War at the time of Washington's first inauguration.

51 posted on 07/21/2002 3:25:07 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: bandleader
I thought those were the Knights of Malta, a related but not identical organization. (Maybe they were the same.)
52 posted on 07/21/2002 3:35:14 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: another cricket
There was somebody on the Art Bell show (when it was hosted by Barbara) who thinks it may be hidden on Oak Island (Nova Scotia). That is where some of it could be hidden or it could be hype.
53 posted on 07/21/2002 3:51:47 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Eco is really an amazing writer, I wish I could read his work in the original language. He is also a professor and has written several textbooks on language and its structure. I just finished reading "Island" and thought it was great. Oh the problems of being shipwrecked on a ship and not knowing how to swim to shore.
54 posted on 07/21/2002 4:09:47 PM PDT by Brad C.
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To: Pharmboy
Actually, you can walk into almost any public library or large bookstore and find books with all of the "secret stuff" written down in plain english, and probably any other language. Many of us Masons say our best kept secret is that we have no secrets.

It is the application of the things that are frequently inculcated to us inside the lodge room that make Masonry special. Most Masons will tell you that the purpose of Masonry is to make good men better. It's not magic, and its not a cure all for everyone, but it is something that works very well for me and my brothers, every where in the world.
55 posted on 07/21/2002 4:19:17 PM PDT by Brad C.
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To: BooBoo1000
Well, hello companion!
56 posted on 07/21/2002 4:36:35 PM PDT by a_Turk
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To: dubyaweluvya
"True heirs of Jesus"

Please explain. Jesus never married and since he is considered sinless he surely never committed adultery. How can he have heirs?
57 posted on 07/21/2002 4:42:48 PM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
IIRC, they believe Jesus had children via Mary Magdelene...
58 posted on 07/21/2002 4:44:23 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: drjoe
The lesson of Foucault's Pendulum is that history and its various elucidations in part form a type of meta-psychosis that plagues the mind of mankind. A well-spring of contrived validations serving a cornucopia of aspirations, from the vile to the majestic, from the humble to megalomaniac.

Indeed we pay for the sins of our fathers, as actors unaware we caught up in the whirlwinds of a self-inflicted paranoid delusion in a quest for significance and meaning.

An unending jihad to destroy the 'evil ones', flinging glorified feces at each other in a primal territorial war of ideology.

Evil is mans deep recognition and eager exploitation of his fellow mans psychological weakness, his vice, his vanities and the thirst for revenge against forces he deems responsible for his own powerlessness.

Doctoral supremecy measured not in terms of truth, but in terms of functionality: does it achieve dominance by any means.

Our holy grail is an irresistable, unassailable, impervious ideology that will eradicate every source of these mystical aberrations, to end the haunting of ourselves.

59 posted on 07/21/2002 5:09:10 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: Aliska
Well, either there is something hidden on Oak Island or it is the world’s most elaborate practical joke. Although I doubt it is the Templar relics, those probably ended up in Scotland as well.

a.cricket
60 posted on 07/21/2002 5:14:33 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: another cricket
It made for a good show. Was sorry I missed most of it. I'm doubtful, as you, that it was Templar relics.
61 posted on 07/21/2002 5:43:12 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: another cricket
To Sr71A the bible used by Washington to take the oath of office, is the same one used by George W.Bush, It is known as the Masonic Bible, and is in the custody of a Blue Lodge in New York City.

They the Blue Lodge, loan out the Bible for some occasions but the Bible is delivered by Brothers of the Lodge, and they are not allowed to fly with the Bible, but must travel by Auto.
62 posted on 07/21/2002 5:45:46 PM PDT by BooBoo1000
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To: Hacksaw
If you like Christian fiction, Hidden in Time is about an archaeologist searching for the Ark of the Covenant using clues left by the Knights Templar.

I'd recommend reading Rift in Time first (discovery of the Garden of Eden and Noah's Ark) because Hidden in Time is a sequel to Rift.

It's fairly light reading - sort of like an British Indiana Jones. They were good beach reading.

64 posted on 07/21/2002 5:58:24 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Mannaggia l'America
this post and links put me in a mind to re-read "Illuminatis Trilogy" ... the ultimate conspircacy books.
65 posted on 07/21/2002 6:01:45 PM PDT by fnord
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To: Hacksaw
I could be wrong but I believe that the knights also controlled the only source of amber in europe. That I believe is what pushed them into power among other things.
66 posted on 07/21/2002 6:03:54 PM PDT by Brush_Your_Teeth
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To: Hacksaw
bttt
67 posted on 07/21/2002 6:35:14 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: ExSoldier
http://www.britannia.com/history/bb1312.html
is a link that at least documents that October 13,
1307 fell on a Friday. A Google search finds multiple
references to this as the origin of the superstition but
I guess there is no way to really no for sure.
68 posted on 07/21/2002 8:05:10 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: mercy
Please explain. Jesus never married and since he is considered sinless he surely never committed adultery. How can he have heirs?

There's been some speculation that Jesus was married. Some of the speculation is in a book "Was Jesus Married?: The Distortion of Sexuality in the Christian Tradition" by William E. Phipps.

In a nutshell, in those days it was the norm for parents to arrange marriages for their kids at an early age. It would have been unusual for him NOT to have been married. The first miracle was Jesus turning water into wine at a wedding. The speculation is that the wedding was HIS wedding. Later in the Gospel mention is made of the "disciple whom Jesus loved". The speculation was that this was Jesus's son.

After the crucifiction, Jesus's family was supposed to have been smuggled off to France

69 posted on 07/22/2002 1:01:20 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: mindprism.com
Ohhhhhhh ........... Libertarians.
70 posted on 07/22/2002 11:50:44 AM PDT by mercy
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To: SauronOfMordor
In a nutshell, in those days it was the norm for parents to arrange marriages for their kids at an early age. It would have been unusual for him NOT to have been married. The first miracle was Jesus turning water into wine at a wedding. The speculation is that the wedding was HIS wedding. Later in the Gospel mention is made of the "disciple whom Jesus loved". The speculation was that this was Jesus's son.

Isaiah 53:8 disagrees:
By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

The "disciple whom Jesus loved" was John, his brother.

Not that knowing the truth will ever stop people from making stuff up.

71 posted on 07/22/2002 12:12:20 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: golindseygo
I'm thinking "At the Mountains of Madness". Wrong critter?
72 posted on 07/22/2002 7:56:18 PM PDT by Gwaihir
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To: golindseygo
I'm thinking "At the Mountains of Madness". Wrong critter?

Yep. HP Lovecraft's works were entirely fictional, but it would make for an interesting life. :)

73 posted on 07/23/2002 9:30:47 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: KarlInOhio
i am sorry but a lot of campuses frat are in with the masons i have read book after book on the computer plus with the knowledge of my own that i have i believe they do worship satan and can get away with rape or various ccrimes because of the code nobody dares tell on any of the other ones you who believe they are good need to take another look, I wish in this day and age we can do away with masons
74 posted on 10/13/2003 7:38:33 AM PDT by lonlyjen
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To: OHelix
What NUT believes that Jesus had children with Mary Magdalene?? Talk about making somethin up out of WHOLE CLOTH!!!

They would be considered anti_Christian at the very LEAST!

75 posted on 10/13/2003 7:56:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Pharmboy
Read "Born In Blood" by J. J. Robinson. A fascinating and comprehensive history. If he is correct, they are the foundation of Free Masonry.
76 posted on 10/13/2003 8:00:33 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: curmudgeonII
I am also a member and I believe that J. J. Robinson's book, "Born In Blood" covers the connection quite well.
77 posted on 10/13/2003 8:02:02 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Merovingian
Ping, O exalted scion of Dagobert!
78 posted on 10/13/2003 8:02:54 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Age of Reason
Kinda like what the Queers are doing to Christianity.
79 posted on 10/13/2003 8:03:07 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: McGavin999
The Eco book? It was VERY hard to read, and I love his stuff!
80 posted on 10/13/2003 8:03:44 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: SR71A
Your loss.
81 posted on 10/13/2003 8:03:59 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: SR71A
"I just never had the interest to "push" myself forward that much."

The is the excuse given by too many uninformed people. The Free Masons do not and are ordered not to use their affiliation for personal gain. The fact that members of this fraternity value fellow members highly is because "Free Masonry Makes Good Men Better".

Suggest you stow your tinfoil brain bucket...you ain't in a Blackbird anymore.

82 posted on 10/13/2003 8:08:35 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The Knights of Malta, or Knights Hospitlier were a medical order that worked the Holy Land alongside the Templars. They colluded with the Pope and the French King to dispose of the Templars. The Pope got an eternal oath of fealty from the Hospitlars, the King got his debts forgiven and the Hospitlars got the Templar properties.

During the Peasants Revolt in England, the Hospitlars got what was coming to them. The Grand Master of the Hospitlars in Britian was dragged out by a mob and hanged. Hospitlar monestaries were burned to the ground. Payback's a bitch!

83 posted on 10/13/2003 8:13:27 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: a_Turk
Hello, Companion!
84 posted on 10/13/2003 8:14:12 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: lonlyjen
they do worship satan

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just making it up as you go along.

85 posted on 10/13/2003 8:17:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: fnord
hail eris!
86 posted on 10/13/2003 8:21:52 AM PDT by kallisti
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To: SR71A
My Dad was a Mason. There's a Masonic symbol on his gravestone, that's what he wanted. His Dad was a Mason. He used to tell me about the black ball system, when his lodge voted on a new member. Each member was given one black ball and one white ball (the white ball meaning, we accept this new member.) If one black ball was found in the jar, then every single member present was obligated to get up and vote again. And if a black ball was again found in the "ballot box" -- the request for membership was rejected.
87 posted on 10/13/2003 8:22:19 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Pharmboy
It has been said.
88 posted on 10/13/2003 8:23:13 AM PDT by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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To: Ciexyz
The Female auxiliary to the Masons is the Eastern Star. You don't hear much about it anymore, but in my Grandmother's day, it was a big social thing. There was also a girls' organization for daughters of Masons called Rainbow Girls, kind of like the Girl Scouts. I remember asking my Mom in the early 60's if I could join the Rainbow Girls, and she said, You don't want to get into that, they're snobby. So I joined the Girl Scouts instead.
89 posted on 10/13/2003 8:30:28 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Xenalyte
Et en Arcadia EGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
90 posted on 10/13/2003 9:57:53 AM PDT by Merovingian
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To: Ciexyz
We were NOT snobby! At least, not in Houston. We were looked down on by those hoochies on the drill team. :)

ORG is a wonderful organization. My order (Sugar Land 360) went dark a few years back . . . it made me sad. ORG taught me the importance of tradition and bedrock values.
91 posted on 10/13/2003 10:10:19 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Redleg Duke
The masonic bodies to which I belong are Blue Lodges in Pennsylvania [50 year member], Indiana [life member], Scottish Rite [life member], York Rite - including Knight Templar and Knight of Malta, York Rite College, Allied Masonic Degrees, Shrine, National Federated Craft, and I guess I ought to mention the Ancient and Heroic Order of the Gordian Knot, which isn't a very serious organization although John Wayne was taken in as the second member in the U.S. [the only active Synod is here in Indana]. Also the Eastern Star and Job's daughters [which techincally are not masonic orders].

Did I come up with any groups you're not familiar with?

92 posted on 10/13/2003 10:27:31 AM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: weikel
Good lesson I wonder what will happen to the bankers when the government here in the US finally decides they can't pay( and they can't the national debt will never be paid off in a billion years).

You may be forgetting that the US govt. prints money. When they want to pay off the national debt, they simply print more money. This solution, unfortunately, has a rather negative impact on the economy by causing inflation.

With respect to the national debt...we must have a national debt. Where else would we invest the money in the Social Security Trust Fund?

93 posted on 10/13/2003 10:51:28 AM PDT by Snardius
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To: curmudgeonII
Nope. I am a Free Mason, PM, and also have memberships in the Scottish and York Rite, Eastern Star and National Sojourners. I was a De Molay. Used to be a Shriner for 25 years, but too busy for them.

Have you heard of the Tall Cedars of Lebanon, LOS or Amarith?

94 posted on 10/13/2003 11:52:29 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: catonsville
Like another religious group, The Cathars, goodness, love of God and service were no protection against the corruption of men.
Who were that Catharists?
From catholic.com (this was before the Reformation so Christians were "Catholic")
"Catharism was a blend of Gnosticism, which claimed to have access to a secret source of religious knowledge, and of Manichaeism, which said matter is evil. The Catharists believed in two gods: the "good" God of the New Testament, who sent Jesus to save our souls from being trapped in matter; and the "evil" God of the Old Testament, who created the material world in the first place. The Catharists’ beliefs entailed serious—truly civilization-destroying—social consequences. Marriage was scorned because it legitimized sexual relations, which Catharists identified as the Original Sin. But fornication was permitted because it was temporary, secret, and was not generally approved of; while marriage was permanent, open, and publicly sanctioned. "
95 posted on 10/13/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by CCCnative (waiting for socialism to fail in Santa Cruz as it did in Soviet Russia)
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To: curmudgeonII
A very interesting book about the Knights Templar and Robert the Bruce is "The Temple And The Lodge" by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh.

From the back cover:

Dispelling myth and reevaluating European and American history, The Temple and the Lodge is the most illuminating investigation yet published into the evolution of Freemasonry. Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh recount the events that led to the strange and sudden disappearance of the Knights Templar in the fourteenth century and their reappearance in the court of excommunicate Scotish king Robert the Bruce.

Theorizing, and documenting, the survival of Templar traditions through the birth of the Masonic lodge, the authors chart the history of Freemasonry through its medieval roots and into the modern era. They demonstrate the order's contribution to the fostering of tolerance, progressive values, and cohesion in English society, which helped to preempt a French-style revolution in England. In addition, they show how Freemasonry contributed to the formation of the United States as an embodiment of the ideal "Masonic Republic."

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The Templars also operated a large fleet of ships which disappeared and were never accounted for. Their flag was said to be the "Skull and crossbones"!

Topsail, Scottish Rite.
96 posted on 10/13/2003 12:09:46 PM PDT by topsail
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To: Hacksaw
Worshipping of the Baphomet

Any idea what the Baphomet is or was?

97 posted on 10/13/2003 12:09:59 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Redleg Duke
Have you heard of the Tall Cedars of Lebanon, LOS or Amarith?

Don't know what the LOS is. One of the more obscure organizations is [I don't belong] Ye Antient Order of Corks. It meets, only annually I believe, in Washington, D.C. The officers are:
Worshipful Grand Primo
Rather Worshipful Grand Secundo
Little Less Worshipful Primo Buffo
Hardly Worshipful Grand Screw

98 posted on 10/13/2003 1:32:41 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: curmudgeonII
bookmark
99 posted on 10/13/2003 1:36:22 PM PDT by kmiller1k (remain calm)
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To: lonlyjen
" can get away with rape or various ccrimes because of the code nobody dares tell on any of the other ones"

You have obviously confused the Masons with the Clintonista type democrats.
100 posted on 10/13/2003 1:40:04 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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