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Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA'
WorldNetDaily | July 22, 2002 | Art Moore

Posted on 07/22/2002 7:57:27 AM PDT by scripter

Celebrating erotic relationships between women and young girls is the theme of a website called Butterfly Kisses which indicates the relatively unknown fact that pedophilia exists in significant numbers among females.

While the site's creators do not identify themselves, posted articles show how some advocates are attempting to create an academic rationale for what is commonly and legally regarded as abuse and molestation.

"It's very dangerous when you begin to see women organize in the same way you have seen men organized to rape children," said noted researcher Judith Reisman, who referred to the people behind the website as the "Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA," the North American Man-Boy Love Association.

While the site's opening page features an apparently wholesome photograph of a mother appreciating her child, "the primary goal" of presenting the subsequent material is clearly stated in the introduction as giving "women and girls a tool for expressing their feelings and their love about this controversial topic, and to get people to open their minds to ideas about romantic and erotic attraction between women and girls that our society in the past has not been able to discuss openly and rationally."

WorldNetDaily was alerted to the website by reader Sandra Hartle of Spanaway, Wash., a grandmother who is part of a group that has helped shut down about 1,000 pornographic sites on the Microsoft Network's website communities.

She has discovered private sites on MSN depicting elementary school-age boys with adult men, but found "Butterfly Kisses" a particular threat to families like her own.

"Some of the information on this site is so terrifying to someone who has three granddaughters that I cannot express my shock," said Hartle.

"How someone could harm a child that is so tender and vulnerable is beyond my wildest imaginations," she said, "but when a woman can and does violate that child sexually it is somehow more devastating than even when you hear of these things being done by men."

The "Butterfly Kisses" website indicates it is hosted by an entity called "Ipce," which describes itself as a "forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults."

The Ipce description says, "In this context, these relationships are intended to be viewed from an unbiased, non-judgmental perspective and in relation to the human rights of both the young and adult partners."

Global scope

The Butterfly Kisses and Ipce sites have Web addresses that indicate their origin in the Netherlands. A story in the Autumn 1987 issue of the Dutch-based Paidika: Journal of Paedophilia recalls "The Dutch Paedophile Emancipation Movement" which led to the world's most liberal laws on pedophilia.

Dutch law permits sex between an adult and a person as young as 12 if the younger person consents.

Can legal action be taken against a site like "Butterfly Kisses," which promotes an act barred by U.S. state laws?

A private agency called Web Police, which investigates complaints of abuse on the Internet, notes that U.S. laws do not apply to the global Internet.

"We would have an officer in the Netherlands address it according to the country's laws, morals and code of ethics," said Peter Hampton, the founder of Web Police and several related agencies. "We can't tell Holland what should or should not be on the Internet."

But not much would likely be done in the Netherlands either, Hampton told WorldNetDaily.

"Their problem is the same that the United States has," he said. "No. 1, there has to be a law enacted that addresses the Internet directly."

Then, said Hampton, you would need to find a police investigator, prosecutor, judge and jury who all have the experience to address an Internet-related case.

"The majority of the time you're not going to find any of those, and that's where you run into your stone wall," he said. "So then we have to go directly to the suspect and see if we can resolve it without the necessity of going through all that expense and trouble."

Hampton said he works regularly with the FBI, but "they've got their hands full" with thousands of complaints every day.

"We get 1,500 a day, so I can imagine what the FBI gets," he said. "They simply can't address all these issues and try to prosecute them. They don't have the manpower and they don't have the teeth in the laws. The president himself has said hands off the Internet, it's an international community."

Underestimated problem

How prevalent is pedophilia among women?

Hampton says that he gets an average of more than 200 reports related to female pedophilia on the Internet each day, including websites, message boards and other forums.

It's growing, he says of the presence of female pedophilia on the Web, though sites related to male pedophilia are increasing at about 10 times the rate.

"But I was surprised that this was even an issue," he said of female pedophilia. "It's been since about two years ago that we've found it to be quite prevalent."

Linda Halliday-Sumner, a sexual abuse consultant in Courtenay, B.C., Canada, told WND that when she first began in 1980, about 1.5 percent of her cases were women who abuse minors. Within six years that increased to 11 to 13 percent. In the last 10 years, she said, at least 33 percent of her 325 cases a year have been women.

"It is very underreported," she said of the incidences of abuse by females. "When it is reported it's often dismissed or laughed at as not being serious. Motherhood and apple pie, you know – we don't do that sort of thing."

Much of the opposition has been from women's groups.

"I have been strongly attacked and criticized because I've spoken out about female offenders," she said.

The Journal of Paedophilia devoted an entire issue to the subject of women in 1992. In the introductory article, which is posted on "Butterfly Kisses," Marjan Sax and Sjuul Deckwitz write that while little is known about it, "As we dug more deeply into our subject we discovered that erotic and sexual contacts between women and children under the age of consent do indeed occur. In speaking with female friends, once the shock of embarking on a discussion of the concept of paedophilia wore off, countless stories came out."

Studies in the 1980s by researchers David Finkelhor and Diana Russell estimated that in the United States about 14 percent of abuse cases involving boys were perpetrated by females. About 6 percent of the cases were of women who abuse girls.

While these studies give some clues, the true number of women who have sexual contact with children is probably severely underestimated, according to German psychologist Marina Knopf. In an article on "Butterfly Kisses" titled "Sexual Contacts Between Women and Children: Reflections on an Unrealizable Research Project," Knopf said that this could be because contacts by women are more of a taboo than those by men.

She writes that it "is less spoken of, more hidden, and the women do not have any groups they attend or have formed themselves as do men. ... The strength of this taboo might help explain the enormous difficulty we had in finding women to interview."

Well-known pedophile advocate Pat Califia, who has spoken at mainstream institutions such as Penn State University, writes in an article posted on the "Butterfly Kisses" site that, "It is possible that sexual activity occurs more often between mothers and children or other women than between men and children. Women have more access to kids, and there are fewer taboos surrounding women's handling young people's bodies."

Over the past ten years, book titles have included "Female Sexual Abuse of Children," published in 1993 by Guilford Press, "When She was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of Innocence," 1997 by Penguin Putnam, Inc. and "The Last Secret: Daughters Sexually Abused by Mothers," by Safer Society Press.

"The incidence of mother-daughter sexual abuse is unknown because it is a grossly underreported crime," according to a group called Making Daughters Safe Again, which calls itself the "only organization in the world specializing in mother-daughter sexual abuse."

Among the membership, comprised of women who were abused by their mothers, less than 1 percent report that any intervention occurred. An article on the MDSA website cites reasons for that, such as "the extreme rarity of the offender seeking treatment, the victim reporting the abuse, or the authorities discovering the crime." Other reasons include the fact that "therapists, social workers, doctors, teachers, etc., know very little about this form of abuse and/or do not consider it a possibility." Also, "perpetrators overwhelmingly appear like 'normal' caring mothers."

One MDSA member says about abuse by mothers: "I think that there is such a stigma to it. People don't want to hear about it and don't want to know about it. I think it must be really hard for people to hear that someone who is supposed to be so supportive of us can betray us so badly."

A recent article by MDSA, which cites research on the subject, says that in the past 20 years, "the incidence of child sexual abuse jumped from just one in a million to one in four or five children," according to a study by researcher Anne Stirling Hastings in 2000.

"In this time," the article says, "the conception of female children as victims of inappropriate male sexual behavior has dominated the research, and thus our understanding of child sexual abuse. However, recent research consistently reveals that females account for about one in four offenders," according to Patricia Pearson's 1997 study.

In their introduction to the Journal of Paedophilia issue about women, Sax and Deckwitz go on to say, "When we embarked on this study we were also surprised that so little consideration had been given to the positive, fruitful side of relationships between adult women and minors. In conversations with female friends, we heard so many happy stories, related with genuine pleasure, that our feeling was strengthened that presenting a positive view of relationships between women and young people was indeed justified."

Big Sisters

The "Butterfly Kisses" site includes links to branches of the Big Sisters organization and Girl Scout websites, suggesting that these groups present good opportunities for women who desire sexual relationships with girls.

Resources on the pro-pedophile site include articles under the heading of "Girl Scouts and Mentoring" with titles such as "Women Mentoring Girls," "Big Sisters," and "Lesbians are to Scouting as Sunshine is to Summer."

In the site's reader forum, a participant identified as "Jean" posted a message Sept. 16, 2001, that said "this is the neatest forum. I have always been attracted to little girls (8-10 yr olds)."

"Jean" said she is a volunteer swimming instructor and asked members of the forum for their advice on "making little girlfriends."

The following day, "Poppy" wrote back and said, "You already have a convenient access to little girls as a swimming coach. Try showing them that you care about them more than your job asks you, i.e., help them with their daily problems, get to know them and become close with the girls who admire you."

Like "Poppy," many of the voices on the "Butterfly Kisses" site insist that they engage only in consensual relationships with children. "Poppy" suggested to the swimming instructor that she could offer to give a little course in kissing to a girl who seems to be flirting with her.

"But whatever you do," she advised, "don't force them to do anything they don't like. Good luck!"

Sax and Deckwitz try to address the obvious argument that "because of the difference in ages, a relationship between a minor and an adult is necessarily characterized by too great a power imbalance. The basis of this objection is that young people cannot always foresee the consequences of their actions, and that creates an opportunity for adults to use, or abuse, them. The wishes of the child are subordinated to those of the adult."

The authors object to that concern, however, arguing that "there is a power differential in every relationship. With children, great power differences play a role in their relationships with their parents, teachers, and even sometimes with their peers. We are dissatisfied with condemnations based on power imbalances."

Asserting rights

Like male pedophile advocates, many female promoters believe that children are being oppressed by adults who have taken away their right to fully express their sexuality in any way they see fit.

"Butterfly Kisses" includes a section called "Rights Advocacy" with titles such as "Feminism, Pedophilia and Children's Rights," by Pat Califia, "A Child's Sexual Bill of Rights," "The North American Woman-Girl Love Association" and "Sexual Revolution and the Liberation of Children," by well-known feminist Kate Millett.

Unlike the male homosexual movement, says researcher Reisman, author of "Kinsey: Crimes & Consequences," "the feminist movement – and that includes the lesbian movement – has been vocal about 'It's not right to have sex with kids.'"

Nevertheless, Millett, author of the 1970 feminist tome "Sexual Politics," said in a 1980 interview reprinted in the book "The Age of Taboo," that "certainly, one of children's essential rights is to express themselves sexually, probably primarily with each other but with adults as well."

"Do you think that a tender, loving erotic relationship can exist between a boy and a man?" Millett was asked.

"Of course," she answered, "or between a female child and an older woman. Men and women have loved each other for millennia, as have people of different races. What I'm concerned about is the inequitous context within which these relationships must exist. Of course, these relationships can be non-exploitative and considering the circumstances they are probably heroic and very wonderful; but we have to admit that they can be exploitative as well – like in the prostitution of youth."

"Sexual Rights of Children," is an article published in 2000 by the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco, which was founded by associates of famed sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, a pedophile, according to Reisman's carefully documented research. The article states that there is "considerable evidence" that there is no "inherent harm in sexual expression in childhood."

While some believe they have "scientific evidence" to support that assessment, the wounded lives of members of Making Daughters Safe Again present a stark contradiction.

"Too often, I prefer to be alone, because my heavy heart is too full of past pain," said one member. "My children get either a robotic mom, a sad mom or an empty mom. There are times when I meet their emotional needs, but there are times when I need to, want to and can't. I have to heal before it is too late."

Another lamented that "as a child my body belonged to someone else and I had no boundaries. I never felt safe or whole. It almost feels like you are someone else. Almost as if you are the abuser. That you and her are one person."

Editor's note: The July issue of WND's popular monthly print magazine, Whistleblower, is a groundbreaking look at the issue of homosexuality in America, particularly focusing on its obsession with youth. Subscribe to Whistleblower at WND's online store, ShopNetDaily.

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To: scripter
Enough about school teachers. (Personal experience - While teaching, the first three single women, quite attractive, I asked for dates turned out to be lipstick lesbians, one confirmed on the make.)

Sapphic love must seem more pure prior to experimenting girls being poisoned by men's attentions, aka intentions. No unwanted pregancies, eh?

"Life" partners = marriage under law? The 21st Century will be interesting for "pairants" rearing their children (and others) to see homo/bisexuality as a normal expression of lust.

I'd say lock 'em up, but isn't that just another prison movie in the making?
21 posted on 07/22/2002 8:30:46 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: scripter
The following day, "Poppy" wrote back and said, "You already have a convenient access to little girls as a swimming coach. Try showing them that you care about them more than your job asks you, i.e., help them with their daily problems, get to know them and become close with the girls who admire you."

Predator instruction.

22 posted on 07/22/2002 8:33:31 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
this has the be the worst site I have ever read. just check out the keywords in the HTML of the front page of the site. horrible

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24 posted on 07/22/2002 8:37:22 AM PDT by jern
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To: scripter
"Butterfly Kisses" is the (copyrighted) title of a song by songwriter Bob Carlisle. I don't think that these lesbian scum can get away with using the name and violating US copyright laws.

I've emailed Bob Carlisle's management agency with the details. I hope they sue the lesbian scum big time.

25 posted on 07/22/2002 8:39:37 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: EdReform
how about this diary entry, disgusting

Wed, July 17, 2002

I took a day off from work because I felt tired and I think I might have a flu or something. I slept until 11am and then I found out that Ella had left for school without waking me up. She's really sweet. At least I have some time now to write about the concert we went to see last Saturday. It was to start at 7pm so Nikki's mom drove her over to our place at 5pm. She was so pretty, all made up and dressed in her favorite clothes. Her hair was done with lots of little beads which I bought for her birthday and she wore her bell-bottom jeans and cute little T-shirt with a big yellow sunflower on the front. She even wore some lipstick but not too much, and a stick-on tattoo on her shoulder. I spoke with her mom for a while before she left and she said they will fly to Spain on the 2nd of August and will return on the 17th, so from then until her school starts we can go anywhere we want which is great!!

Meanwhile Ella took Nikki to the kitchen and gave her some chocolate ice-cream to eat. Nikki loves ice-cream, it's her favorite desert. When her mom left I joined them in the kitchen and we chatted for a while about the concert and school. Nikki was very excited about the concert because she's never been to a big concert before. The one we were going to wasn't big but she was still excited because she likes the group who was going to play. The group is called Sugar and they're something like Spice Girls used to be. They're not very well known outside [...] but kids here like them.

At one point Nikki said how Ella and me should get married and then adopt her. I thought it was funny and so did Ella but in secret I felt it would be a dream if we could do something like that. We talked about things for almost an hour. It was mostly Nikki asking about Hong Kong because Ella said how she was going there soon and Nikki didn't know where Hong Kong was. I had to remind Nikki that we would be late if we didn't leave that moment and I almost had to drag her out because she just kept talking. She just wouldn't get away from Ella, as if she has a crush on her or something. Maybe I'm just paranoid or jealous because I pay too much attention to what she does. Anyway, we finally left from home at 6pm and it took us another 20 minutes to get there, so by the time we arrived we couldn't get the best places anymore. We were at the back, away from the stage but we could still see what was going on there, and the sound was pretty good so it didn't matter. On one hand, it was good because it was dark and no one paid any attention to us, so at one point I held her up in my arms and we kissed when her favorite song was playing. Unfortunately, she grew up a lot in the last year so I can't hold her in my arms for a long time as I used to before. But we still held hands and danced. It was great and the music wasn't too bad although it's not my kind of music. But I kind of like everything Nikki likes so I didn't mind.

We saw lots of cute girls at the concert, but I really couldn't bother paying too much attention to them because I was there with my little cute sweetie. Only at one point I remember seeing one absolutely stunning girl. I remember her because she was dressed in a sexy short plaited skirt, white shirt and wore her hair in pig tails. She was about 12 I think, and really really hot. She looked like little Lolita. I wish Nikki would wear short skirts sometimes but she mostly has shorts and old cut-off jeans. The sexiest outfit she has is a pair of really tight extra short shorts which she wears with a tight little tank top that shows her tummy, ohh yummy! It even rhymes!

When the concert was over, it took us a while to get out because it was so crowded we could hardly move. Outside was a clear warm night and we decided to drive to the beach and be alone for a while. We needed some quiet after all the noise at the concert and our ears still rang with the music. At the beach we walked until we found a quiet spot away from the people and the street. We sat down and just looked out at the sea and the stars for a while. It was beautiful. I played with her hair, trying to tie it into little braids because it was fun to do and because it was still too early to take her home. It was around 9pm and tomorrow was Sunday so neither of us had anything important to do. Nikki's mom said I should return her home before 11pm because that's her bedtime on weekends and holidays. At one point we were chasing each other on the beach and then we rolled on the sand. It was fun but our hair got all messed up and I had to clean the sand from her hair and clothes before we went back to the car.

On the way back we talked about where we could go when she returns from Spain. I promised her I'll look for something fun while she's away because neither of us know where to go yet. I might even take her to another country. We drove for a while because there was Saturday night traffic so by the time we arrived at her home it was close to 11. I parked the car and she climbed to my side and sat on my lap facing me and then we hugged. I held her really tight as if someone were going to take her away from me and she held me around the neck. The street she lives in is quiet and leafy with tall old trees growing along the footpath so I hoped no one would see us in the car. There aren't many people along that street at that time of night anyway but it still made me uneasy. It was very quiet for a while and all I could hear was hear breathing. I didn't want to move at all. She was so light and warm in my arms and we could have probably spent the whole night like that in each other's arms. Then after some time she moved and I heard her say "I'll write you letters from Spain." It made me smile. I know she doesn't like to write letters so I asked her why and she said, "Because I'll miss you!" I felt as if I was going to cry and we hugged again and I said, "I love you Nikki," and some other things I don't want to repeat here because they would sound too romantic and make me blush :)

I could hardly let her go but when I looked at my watch it was already past 11 and she had to go home. We kissed for one last time and I whispered in her ear I'll call her tomorrow and then I walked her to her door.

On the way back home I missed her so much. I would have given anything to have her with me then at least until the next day. It's only when she's gone that I realize how much she means to me. When I got home, Ella was still working on her assignments. I almost told her everything about Nikki right there but then I stopped and went to bed. I wanted to fall asleep with Nikki in my mind and I tried to imagine what she was doing at that moment. I could almost see her asleep in her little bed surrounded with her teddy bears. I don't think there is anything more beautiful or precious than Nikki.

This might be boring to some but it feels so nice to write about her and what I feel for her. I can't tell this to anyone and so this is the only way I can express it. I'm seriously thinking about telling it all to Ella even if it breaks us apart. I can live with it but I don't think I could live without Nikki. Maybe I'll do it when she returns from Hong Kong, who knows... Right now I still feel sick and tomorrow I must go back to work. I'm not sure what we have planned for this weekend, but it would be nice to go somewhere with Ella and Nikki.

26 posted on 07/22/2002 8:40:25 AM PDT by jern
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To: jern
Great work. Thanks.
27 posted on 07/22/2002 8:49:10 AM PDT by scripter
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To: jern

Sick lesbian freak. It's what the homosexual agenda is all about.

28 posted on 07/22/2002 8:49:26 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: jern
Homosexuals are WICKED......

They steal the innocence of a child, they should all be in jail.....

29 posted on 07/22/2002 8:50:57 AM PDT by Mark was here
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To: Yehuda
Thank you Yehuda. Why am I not at all surprised?!
30 posted on 07/22/2002 8:53:11 AM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: EdReform
Bob Carlisle is a born-again Christian. I imagine he will not be happy about this at all.
31 posted on 07/22/2002 8:55:28 AM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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32 posted on 07/22/2002 8:56:13 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: scripter
pedophilia exists in significant numbers among females.

And among teachers, too?

33 posted on 07/22/2002 9:00:16 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
Yes - he's really a great person! Wonderful artist! I hope they get that website shut down immediately.
34 posted on 07/22/2002 9:05:13 AM PDT by EdReform
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35 posted on 07/22/2002 9:22:58 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: scripter
These animals are obscene. In order for nambla to not be prosecuted for their advocacy, there MUST be high ranking people as members who are protecting them.
36 posted on 07/22/2002 9:38:00 AM PDT by poet
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To: scripter
Paula Poundstone was NOT an anomoly I'm sure. This makes me ill. I also wish PP and MJ would be in jail forever. Can you believe the JUDGE gave PP back the kids?
37 posted on 07/22/2002 9:40:59 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: scripter
I did a google search for the site. Found some "interesting" articles there with titles like

18 Sensual Tips on How to Kiss Little Girls
Ways to Kiss Little Girl's Ear
Paula Poundstone Announces Opening of Bootcamp For Troubled Teens
Gym Teachers And Other Lesbian Phenomenon
A 14-year-old girl in a private school
With three young daughters, it's not like I had a scarcity of things to keep an eye on. Eeeek
38 posted on 07/22/2002 9:47:25 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: scripter
I happen to see that page last week when I was looking up background information on the song "Butterfly Kisses" by Bob Carlisle. I was disgusted, and considered starting a "what is the world coming to?" type of thread on Free Republic.

But then I thought "How do we know this isn't just one person trying to shock sensibilities? Heck, a male 19 year-old student could have put the whole page together in a weekend."

I've wondered about other sites that claim to be part of mass movements. For example, there's a website on the "Voluntary Extinction Movement." The website claims to speak on behalf of a group that wants to work toward encouraging humans to stop having children so our species goes extinct. That's pretty off the wall, but again, it could be just one person trying to shock the world.

39 posted on 07/22/2002 10:04:49 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: jern
Those interlocking "female" symbols -- one adult, one juvenile -- are too horrific for words. What a disgusting bunch of people...
40 posted on 07/22/2002 10:08:07 AM PDT by Silly
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