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The cure for homosexuality: solution that brought him out of 'gay' life
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 | Stephen Bennett

Posted on 07/23/2002 2:04:07 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: Quester
Not that I am aware of.
51 posted on 07/23/2002 12:13:09 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Emmylou
a child cannot give consent

That's not what the pedophiles say. They say it is a normal, consensual relationship between two people and no one is being harmed.

Surely you don't think we should be suspicious of some behavior when people say their seemingly abnormal behavior is presented as "normal". And surely you don't think that when someone is harmed by a type of behavior that we should automatically suspect that the behavior is wrong. Heaven forbid.

53 posted on 07/23/2002 12:39:43 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Emmylou
Whatever happened to the pursuit of happiness?

What about the pursuit of happiness for those who practice incest, bestiality, and pedophilia? What about their needs? Why do you protect one perversion over another?

54 posted on 07/23/2002 12:42:30 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Emmylou
Are you saying that two adults of the same sex can't consent?

I would say that in some states, laws were in effect for over a century that made acts of sodomy against the law because the general population believed it was wrong. There were even laws enacted AND enforced to combat adultery and fornication. Now you can say one of two things. Either the Founding Fathers, whose peers passed these laws, were not as 'enlightened' as folks have been over the past four decades OR that the morality in this nation has fallen to such a low that doing whatever you want is more important than following the precepts of the Constitution. Surely you're not going to suggest that the Founders of this nation established such Amendments as the 1st, 9th, and 10th, public or private, to condone and approve of the actions of homosexuals are you?

55 posted on 07/23/2002 12:43:10 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
I would say that in some states, laws were in effect for over a century that made acts of sodomy against the law because the general population believed it was wrong. There were even laws enacted AND enforced to combat adultery and fornication. Now you can say one of two things. Either the Founding Fathers, whose peers passed these laws, were not as 'enlightened' as folks have been over the past four decades OR that the morality in this nation has fallen to such a low that doing whatever you want is more important than following the precepts of the Constitution. Surely you're not going to suggest that the Founders of this nation established such Amendments as the 1st, 9th, and 10th, public or private, to condone and approve of the actions of homosexuals are you?

Some states also had laws banning interracial relationships for centuries, for the same reasons? Should those be banned as well or should everyone stay out of each others business and bedrooms?

56 posted on 07/23/2002 12:52:27 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Emmylou
Homosexuality isn't defined by law. They brought political pressure to bear for legalization their turpitude.

Pedophiles are seeking the same status.

They ARE morally equivalent.
57 posted on 07/23/2002 12:52:56 PM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Emmylou
"Our laws differentiate between consenting adults (ok) and adults and children (not okay)."

Thomas Jefferson had a different take on the notion of "consenting adults" and the standing of sodomists before the law.

"Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least."

Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments, 1778
Papers 2:492--504

In addition, The United States Supreme Court has ruled that sodomy laws are not unconstitutional.

58 posted on 07/23/2002 12:57:57 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Emmylou
a child cannot give consent

That’s a lie and part of the deceit used to justify homosexuality. CONSENT is measured by mental capacity and legal mental capacity is measured by IQ. Many children have the minimum legal IQ for an emancipated individual, those are facts. Just because you keep repeating “children can’t consent” over and over won't make it true no matter how much you want it to be so. Moral clarity for you extends only to the practice of certain perversions; too bad you’re a hypocrite. Why don’t you prove children can’t consent instead of using it as a straw man?

59 posted on 07/23/2002 12:58:00 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Emmylou
"The Founders didn't address the issue of homosexuality..."

Thomas Jefferson wasn't a Founder?

62 posted on 07/23/2002 1:03:04 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: LWalk18
Some states also had laws banning interracial relationships for centuries, for the same reasons? Should those be banned as well or should everyone stay out of each others business and bedrooms?

Wow, jump from immorality to different color of skin. Weak at best. While many in the past have used the Bible or some other sacred texts quite wrongly through misinterpretation to condone their racist views, unless you're on a NAMBLA or MCC sponsored site, I don't imagine that you will see any other interpretation condoning homosexuality. And while you may disagree with such texts the fact is that research by men such as M.E. Bradford have shown that over 90% of the men who signed the Constitution were active in their local churches. Not necessarily setting up a theocracy as much as establishing norms on a Judeo-Christian basis. Is there a basis for racism in the Bible or Torah? No. Homosexuality? Without a doubt, yes

64 posted on 07/23/2002 1:05:30 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Emmylou
You made the assertion that the Founders didn't address the issue of homosexuality. You stand corrected.
65 posted on 07/23/2002 1:08:51 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Clint N. Suhks
CONSENT is measured by mental capacity and legal mental capacity is measured by IQ

Name a state where statutory rape is determined by I.Q. (other than the mentally challenged) versus age of consent, i.e. 16 or 18. If an adult has sex with a 14 year old it's rape whether her I.Q. is 90 or 150. That is the LEGAL realit, no matter how much you say otherwise.

67 posted on 07/23/2002 1:09:46 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Emmylou
Of course, in Jefferson's time, it was considered legal and moral to own other human beings.

Comparing wrong behavior with right behavior is a pathology, it’s like comparing homosexuality to heterosexuality or incest with heterosexuality or bestiality with heterosexuality or pedophilia with heterosexuality. .

68 posted on 07/23/2002 1:10:29 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Emmylou
Well, I'll keep that in mind if I ever get a time machine and go back 250 years. Of course, in Jefferson's time, it was considered legal and moral to own other human beings.

I get it now!! The Constitution is a 'living breathing document' crap. If we can't make it fit our needs, and we can't get a Constitutional Amendment passed condoning it considering there are less than 2% of the population involved in this immorality, we'll just 'say' that it was in there and the Founders 'really meant' to cover it. Tell you what. Slavery was abolished by a Constitutional Amendment because it was wrong to own human beings. If you can find enough folks that have been brainwashed to condone sodomy as a natural act, why don't you start a push to get a Constitutional Amendment passed by 3/4 of the states? Much like the ever growing bureaucracy in Washington, the sickness is forced upon us until we accept it and become truly enlightened?

70 posted on 07/23/2002 1:16:35 PM PDT by billbears
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To: LWalk18; Emmylou
If an adult has sex with a 14 year old it's rape whether her I.Q. is 90 or 150.

Only by arbitrary law. If there was a law saying legal age of consent was 9 or drinking age was 10, if it’s the law then those ages must be morally justifiable? Still waiting for you to prove children can’t consent their Emmylou.

71 posted on 07/23/2002 1:18:22 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Emmylou
"That's the great thing about this nation -- we keep improving with age."

I see you're enjoying the blinders.

72 posted on 07/23/2002 1:20:56 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Chunga
Holy crap, that's one hell of a quote. Is it online anywhere?

73 posted on 07/23/2002 1:22:40 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Thomas Jefferson, A Bill For Proportioning Crimes And Punishments
74 posted on 07/23/2002 1:25:36 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: mgist
Then there is a possibility for lawsuits against the clinics for not making homosexuals special.
76 posted on 07/23/2002 1:37:44 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Emmylou
That's the great thing about this nation -- we keep improving with age. HA HA HA HA HA!!!

So do you consider incest between two consenting adults moral? Would you see anything wrong with me, a 29 yr. old woman having sex with my 31 yr. old brother? If so, then you are a hypocrite.

Child molestors will make the argument that we as a society set the age at which someone is considered an adult (and it has increased over time). They will make the argument that their is nothing morally wrong with "intergenerational sex." Society is the one that has attached a stigma to it (same argument homos make).

77 posted on 07/23/2002 1:39:32 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: ventana
Forgiveness is terribly difficult, but what incredible freedom. V's wife.

I agree!

80 posted on 07/23/2002 1:52:54 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Emmylou
Because I'd wager that Buddhists are less than two percent of the population; and they're worshipping a false God, which violates the First Commandment, which makes their behavior immoral

Freedom of religion is covered in the Constitution and while not exactly what the Founders had in mind from their belief systems, it still has been addressed by SCOTUS. Sodomy on the other hand has also been addressed by SCOTUS and the laws in effect against it have been found not to be unconstitutional. The only way you would get SCOTUS to change would be to hope for a liberal POTUS to be elected who would believe in such drivel to appoint judges to overturn such laws. And while Bush has become quite liberal on some issues in the past few months, I don't think he's that liberal

81 posted on 07/23/2002 1:52:55 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Kevin Curry
In the case of a person who breaks free of the homosexual lifestyle there is an added bonus in the here-and-now, for he escapes a disease-ridden and grossly dysfunctional way of life that can never truly satisfy because it is a wholly counterfeit way of life. It is wonderful that the author of this piece escaped a lie and found Life.

Amen.

83 posted on 07/23/2002 1:55:09 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: PeterPrinciple
A group of church leaders in Little Rock Arkansaw put an ad in the paper: "Learn how to be a man, Meeting at 6am on Wednesdays". 1,000 men showed up.........The need is great, read the article on Noble Masculinity again.

I want my sons to grow up to be noble, masculine men.

84 posted on 07/23/2002 1:57:10 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Emmylou
But what about people who are comfortable and fulfilled in gay relationships?

Sure, just as there are alcoholics who are quite happy to down a quart of vodka every day, and don't want anyone interfering with their lifestyle. But don't preach that condition as good and normal and something to be glorified and experimented with - particularly to impressionable kids. This is what's being done in schools (against parents' wishes) and in the theater and in many other places as well. Such is a form of child abuse.

86 posted on 07/23/2002 2:00:31 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ThirstyMan
I think the message that he's putting forward is that for many homoesexuals, change is possible. Studies (including recent ones) have certainly shown that. I've met a lot of homosexuals who wish they were straight and could live lives with wives and children. It's horrendous to not even allow people to tell them that change might be possible for them - yet those who do are excoriated by the homosexual community.
87 posted on 07/23/2002 2:04:25 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Emmylou
No Emmylou. I don't think that people who find happiness as a result of a serious disorder should encourage others (particularly my kids!) to consider that disorder as normal or good. Homosexuals have a right to live their lives as they see fit. They don't have a right to mess with the lives of my kids (as in Boy Scouts, the Catholic Church, our schools, etc. etc.). Unfortunately, many homosexuals seem intent on interfering with the raising of my kids (or actually gaining physcial access to them) and with what I teach them. I am angry about that - along with millions of other parents.
89 posted on 07/23/2002 2:12:55 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Emmylou
"So you think this was a better nation before the abolition of slavery, the passage of women's suffrage, and the civil rights movement?"

That's an incredibly stupid question. I believe that every human being, male, female, slave, free, black, white, straight and gay should be afforded the same rights under the law.

I don't believe in special priviledges for any group. I don't believe in quotas for racial minorities. I don't believe in laws that would codify a woman's right to equal pay for equal work. I don't believe in laws that would redefine marriage to allow those in same-sex partnerships the same legal status as marrieds.

But that's not my point. My point is that American society in 2002 is in severe decline. As a conservative I'm interested in conserving the things that the Founders of our nation found essential to our country's stability.

You, on the other hand, seem to be interested in "progress" for "progress"' sake. How the proliferation of sodomy and homosexuality contributes to anything resembling "progress" is unfathomable.

90 posted on 07/23/2002 2:14:51 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: Emmylou
I don't. I think they should quit because it is dangerous, unhealthy, morally corrupt and mostly, because it is a 'abomination before God'. This article points out a method to stopping the disgusting behavior. Pretty neat. When a door slams shut, you can depend upon God to open a window. For sure!
92 posted on 07/23/2002 2:16:21 PM PDT by Republic
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To: tessalu
May the Lord bless you and yours and wash away your pain.
93 posted on 07/23/2002 2:22:36 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: FourtySeven
The author used that term for dramatic and ironic effects.

But don't let that stop you from "Fire, Ready, Aim."
95 posted on 07/23/2002 2:26:20 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Republic
That is why the word "gay" was chosed by the propagandists, as a mask for the most Ungay lifestyle imaginable.
96 posted on 07/23/2002 2:28:51 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: yendu bwam
But what about people who are comfortable and fulfilled in gay relationships?

Sure, just as there are alcoholics who are quite happy to down a quart of vodka every day, and don't want anyone interfering with their lifestyle.

I'll remember that the next time somebody tells me they're happy in their relationship. Instead of believing them and being happy for them, I'll mentally compare them to a raging alchoholic. Because, really, they're just alike!

Why is it that the standard (non-religious) argument against homosexuality is that its bad because other things are bad (incest! alchoholism! kleptomania!)? Well if you ask me, a homosexual relationship, even if it is not exactly like a heterosexual relationship, is a lot closer than it is to anything else in the usual "parade of horribles."

97 posted on 07/23/2002 2:32:02 PM PDT by Fethiye
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To: Emmylou
There was no intention for the constitution to write laws. Only treason was considered significant enough to place in the constitution. Punishment of homosexual behavior was left in the hands of the states and they took care of it.
98 posted on 07/23/2002 2:36:05 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Chili Girl
Nice article - a bump for later circulation. Nice to hear it stated that "issues" cause homosexuality - that it's not something they were "born with". It is a choice.
99 posted on 07/23/2002 2:37:10 PM PDT by Chili Girl
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To: Emmylou
Buddhists don't believe in a God.
100 posted on 07/23/2002 2:38:30 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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