Justice Dept. Forges Ahead with TIPS, Despite Armey Ban.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | July 21st, 2002 | Karen Branch-Brioso

[WyldKard]

Can you BELIEVE this? After a good joe like Dick Armey killed TIPS in his bill, Ashcroft is still hell bent on shoving it down our unwilling throats!!

That's it, I am fed up with that "Conservative In Name Only" Ashcroft. I thought he was going to be a good guy because of his 2nd Amendment stance, but he quickly turned into a zealot who wastes our tax dollars covering up naked statues, and comparing loyal patriots of the Country and Constitution with terrorists!

And frankly, I've about had it with the entire administration, between the Neo-Con GW and this guy...

[WindMinstrel]

a better title for the article: Justice Department Goes Rogue

[Scholastic]

Suprise! "Stroke of the Pen, law of the land. Kinda cool."

[Scholastic]

BUMP

[Fred Mertz]

The administration is continuing to pursue Operation TIPS.

This will make more than a few freepers happy. After all it's being proposed under the Bush regime.

BTW, it makes me ill.

[WindMinstrel]

that must have made Armey do a bit of a double-take, eh? "You're doing WHAT??"

[dirtboy]

BTW, it makes me ill.

It's making me a bit queasy myself. Ashcroft's Justice Department seems hell-bent on pursuing its own agenda, whether it is ignoring habeous corpus for Padilla or pursuing TIPS in defiance of a Congressional leader of his own party.

[DoughtyOne]

I like Bush. I disagree with him quite often, but I like the man. I don't think he or Ashcroft are doing this from the wrong frame of mind, but I do think they are wrong to be doing this.

This administration is frustrating as hell. I wish like everything that I could support it more, but every time I turn around they've run off the conservative reservation.

How in the hell did they get the idea that turning our citizens into snitches on each other wholesale, would be come to something positive?

IMO Ben Laden has been far more successful than he ever imagined he would be. As our nation morphs into the East Germany of the 1960s, he or his ghost must be laughing with glee.

[DoughtyOne]

Suprise! "Stroke of the Pen, law of the land. Kinda coolade."

[habaes corpussel]

Its becoming hard to tell who the real enemy is anymore.

[WindMinstrel]

When you think about it, a rogue Justice department is the only real way we could see a coup in the US, isn't it?

[Jesse]

I don't think he or Ashcroft are doing this from the wrong frame of mind, but I do think they are wrong to be doing this.

The road to hell tyranny is paved with good intentions.

[twigs]

What you said. Couldn't of said it better myself. I can't figure out how come I like this president so much, even as I see all our civil liberties disappear on his watch.

[habaes corpussel]

"When you think about it, a rogue Justice department is the only real way we could see a coup in the US, isn't it?"

Boy I will tell you this much. It can get really scary out there. To think I supported the Ashcroft nomination. I should have realized that there might have been a reason why a dead guy got voted in over Ashcroft for US Senate. I am holding my breath.

[fogarty]

Ashcroft to Congress: "I don't give a damn about what the US Constitution says. The US Justice Dept is above the law. Due to the ongoing war on terrorism, the Consitition is now suspended until further notice."

[fogarty]

Ashcroft to Congress: "I don't give a damn about what the US Constitution says. The US Justice Dept is above the law. Due to the ongoing war on terrorism, the Consitition is now suspended until further notice."

[DoughtyOne]

Evidently people haven't heard of J. Edgar Hoover and the secret files that guy developed on all sorts of private individuals. Imagine what that guy could have done with the Tips program.

Like Bush or not, we are going to have to realize that in ten or twenty years he could be viewed as a Calchesque (sp?) or others from the Eastern Block, who were hated for what they set up or carried out.

[WyldKard]

Like Bush or not, we are going to have to realize that in ten or twenty years he could be viewed as a Calchesque (sp?) or others from the Eastern Block, who were hated for what they set up or carried out.

Chelchesque or something, I know the guy you mean. And yeah, Bush and company seem hell bent on becoming very unpopular in the eyes of future historians.

Oh wait, the Ministry of Truth will probably make sure he's as loved as Jesus Christ, in another 20 years. Silly me, problem solved.

Now where did my chocolate ration ticket go?

[Old philosopher]

"Its becoming hard to tell who the real enemy is anymore"

It's not really hard to determine who the real enemy is.

The enemy we have to fear the most are those esconced within our government. in the White House, in both Houses of Congress and even a few in the SCOTUS, to say nothing of the ones hidden within the ranks of the bureaucrats.

I know the Bush Bots will deny that GW is part of the problem. but this problem starts at the top. If GW did not approve of the VIP plan it would not be instituted. Power hungry politicians clap loudly as they see their chance to turn our country into "The New Order". GW Bush by betraying his oath to support and defend the Constitution has become a "De Facto Traitor" Read the Constitutional definiton of Treason and you will have to agree.

We desperately need to clean out the Washington Establishment, and by that I mean Politicians on both sides of the aisle, and return this country to what it was originally and was meant to be, A Republic.

That's my opinion

[Kaslin]

Ok lets close our eyes and stuff cotton in our ears so we can't hear and see what the terrorists are up to. Sounds good to me....Not..You people are pathetic. This has nothing to do with spying on the average citizen but trying to prevent other terrorist attacks