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The Oak Island Mystery...What lies at the bottom of the Money Pit?
The Oak Island Mystery ^ | FR Post July 2002 | Bradley Keyes

Posted on 07/25/2002 2:22:59 PM PDT by vannrox

What lies at the bottom of the Money Pit?

Imagine yourself walking through the trees of a wooded island rumored to hide buried pirate treasure. Suddenly you come across a depression in the ground. It's roughly circular and there's a tree standing above it with a branch that has been cut and appears to have been used as a pulley. Your imagination is fired and hope soars. You run off to get your friends and digging equipment.

You and two friends return the next day, shovels in hand, ready to claim your prize. The digging is easy. The dirt loose. Only two feet down your shovel strikes rock. As you clear the dirt away you find a neatly arranged layer of flagstone covering a circular area 13 feet in diameter. You pry the stones out, expecting treasure but there's only more dirt.

You begin again. Digging down 8 more feet with no luck. Suddenly you hit wood. This is it. You scrap away the dirt only to find a platform of oak logs covering the pit. You pull out the logs and resume your digging.

Ten more feet and still nothing. Finally, you strike wood. This MUST be it. As you clear the area you find another level of oak logs.

Now you know there's something valuable here. Why else would anyone go to so much trouble?

Now 20 feet below the surface you heave to again. Another 10 feet. Another set of oak boards.

Disappointed, you and your friends decide that you can't go any further alone. You leave but vow to return to retrieve your treasure.

Now imagine that it's more than 200 years later. The pit has been explored to more than 150 feet. The treasure, if any, that was buried is still there, protected by an ingenious booby trap that floods the pit with sea water anytime someone gets close.

Group after group after group have tried to solve the riddle. Neither brute force nor technology have been able to overcome the problems. Six lives have been lost and millions of dollars spent trying to uncover the secrets of what has become known as the Money Pit. Still, no one knows what lies at the bottom, who built it or why. There are numerous theories but little proof.

This is the story of Oak Island, Nova Scotia, one the most frustrating and intriguing mysteries of all time.

Join us as we explore what is known and what is theorized about this enigma. Perhaps you will be able to find the one clue or come up with the right approach that will finally help crack this puzzle.

The Story.

One summer day in 1795 Daniel McGinnis, then a teenager, was wandering about Oak Island, Nova Scotia (see Geography) when he came across a curious circular depression in the ground. Standing over this depression was a tree whose branches had been cut in a way which looked like it had been used as a pulley. Having heard tales of pirates in the area he decided to return home to get friends and return later to investigate the hole.

Over the next several days McGinnis, along with friends John Smith and Anthony Vaughan, worked the hole. What they found astonished them. Two feet below the surface they came across of layer of flagstones covering the pit. At 10 feet down they ran into a layer of oak logs spanning the pit. Again at 20 feet and 30 feet they found the same thing, a layer of logs. Not being able to continue alone from here, they went home, but with plans of returning to search more.

It took the three discoverers 8 years, but they did return. Along with The Onslow Company, formed for the purpose of the search, they began digging again. They quickly got back to 30 foot point that had been reached 8 years ago. They continued down to 90 feet, finding a layer of oak logs at every 10 foot interval. Besides the boards, at 40 feet a layer of charcoal was found, at 50 feet a layer of putty, and at 60 feet a layer of coconut fiber.

At 90 feet one of the most puzzling clues was found - a stone inscribed with mysterious writing.

Note: For more information about the stone inscription and to try your hand at translating the stone's inscription go here.

After pulling up the layer of oak at 90 feet and continuing on, water began to seep into the pit. By the next day the pit was filled with water up to the 33 foot level. Pumping didn't work, so the next year a new pit was dug parallel to the original down to 100 feet. From there a tunnel was run over to The Money Pit. Again the water flooded in and the search was abandoned for 45 years.

The Booby Trap.

As it turns out, an ingenious booby trap had been sprung. The Onslow Company had inadvertently unplugged a 500 foot waterway that had been dug from the pit to nearby Smith's Cove by the pit's designers. As quickly as the water could be pumped out it was refilled by the sea.

This discovery however is only a small part of the intricate plan by the unknown designers to keep people away from the cache.

In 1849 the next company to attempt to extract the treasure, The Truro Company, was founded and the search began again. They quickly dug down to 86 feet only to be flooded. Deciding to try to figure out what was buried before attempting to extract it, Truro switched to drilling core samples. The drilling produced some encouraging results.

First Hints of Treasure

At 98 feet the drill went through a spruce platform. Then it encountered 4 inches of oak and then 22 inches of what was characterized as "metal in pieces""; Next 8 inches of oak, another 22 inches of metal, 4 inches of oak and another layer of spruce. The conclusion was that they had drilled through 2 casks or chests filled will coins. Upon pulling out the drill they found splinters of oak and strands of what looked like coconut husk.

One account of the drilling also mentions that three small gold links, as from a chain, were brought up. Unfortunately no one knows where they have gone.

Interestingly, the earth encountered beneath the bottom spruce platform was loose indicating that the pit may have gone even deeper. A later group of searchers would find out how much deeper.

The Truro Company returned in 1850 with plans to dig another parallel hole and then tunnel over to the Money Pit. Just like before, as they tunneled over, water began to rush in. They brought in pumps to try to get rid of the water but it was impossible to keep the water out. During the pumping someone noticed that at Smith's Cove during low tide there was water coming OUT of the beach.

This find lead to an amazing discovery - the beach was artificial.

Artificial Beach

It turns out that the pit designers had created a drain system, spread over a 145 foot length of beach, which resembled the fingers of a hand. Each finger was a channel dug into the clay under the beach and lined by rocks. The channels were then filled with beach rocks, covered with several inches of eel grass, and then covered by several more inches of coconut fiber. The effect of this filtering system was that the channels remained clear of silt and sand while water was still allowed to flow along them. The fingers met at a point inland where they fed sea water into a sloping channel which eventually joined the Money Pit some 500 feet away. Later investigations showed this underground channel to have been 4 feet wide, 2 1/2 feet high, lined with stone, and meeting the Money Pit between the depths of 95 to 110 feet.

To the Truro Company, the answer was now simple - just block off the water flow from the beach and dig out the treasure. Their first attempt was to build a dam just off the beach at Smith's Cove, drain the water, and then dismantle the drain channels. Unfortunately a storm blew up and destroyed the dam before they could finish.

An interesting note: the remains of an older dam were found when building the new one.

The next plan was to dig a pit 100 feet or so inland in the hopes of meeting with the water channel underground at which point they could plug the channel. This scheme too failed. And this was the last attempt by the Truro company to uncover the secrets of Oak Island.

The Pit's Collapse

The next attempt at securing the treasure was made in 1861 by the Oak Island Association. First they cleared out the Money Pit down to 88 feet. Then they ran a new hole to the east of the pit hoping to intercept the channel from the sea. The new shaft was dug out to120 feet without hitting the channel and then abandoned.

A second shaft was run, this one to west, down to 118 feet. They then attempted to tunnel over to the Money Pit. Again the water started to enter this pit as well as the Money Pit. Bailing was attempted and appeared to work. And then


The bottom fell out. Water rushed into the shafts and the bottom of the Money Pit dropped over 15 feet. Everything in the Money Pit had fallen farther down the hole. The big questions were why and how far?

Over the next several years different companies tried to crack the mystery unsuccessfully. They dug more shafts, tried to fill in the drain on the beach, built a new dam (which was destroyed by a storm), and drilled for more core samples. They met with little success.

The Cave-in Pit

In 1893 a man named Fred Blair along with a group called The Oak Island Treasure Company began their search. Their first task was to investigate the "Cave-in Pit". Discovered in 1878 about 350 feet east of the Money Pit, the cave-in pit appears to have been a shaft dug out by the designers of the Money Pit perhaps as a ventilation shaft for the digging of the flood tunnel. It apparently intersected or closely passed the flood tunnel. While it was being cleared by the Treasure Company it started to flood at a depth of 55 feet and was abandoned.

Over the next several years The Oak Island Treasure Company would dig more shafts, pump more water, and still get nowhere. In 1897 they did manage to clear out the Money Pit down to 111 feet where they actually saw the entrance of the flood tunnel temporarily stopped up with rocks. However, the water worked its way through again and filled the pit.

The treasure company then decided that they would attempt to seal off the flow of water from Smith's Cove by dynamiting the flood tunnel. Five charges were set off in holes drilled near the flood tunnel. They didn't work. The water flowed into the Money Pit as rapidly as ever.

At the same time a new set of core samples were drilled at the pit itself. The results were surprising.

Cement Vault

At 126 feet, wood was struck and then iron. This material is probably part of the material that fell during the crash of the Pit. On other drillings the wood was encountered at 122 feet and the iron was missed completely indicating that the material may be laying in a haphazard way due to the fall.

Between 130 and 151 feet and also between 160 and 171 feet a blue clay was found which consisted of clay, sand, and water. This clay can be used to form a watertight seal and is probably the same "putty"; that was found at the 50 foot level of the Pit.

The major find was in the gap between the putty layers. A cement vault was discovered. The vault itself was 7 feet high with 7 inch thick walls. Inside the vault the drill first struck wood, then a void several inches high and an unknown substance. Next a layer of soft metal was reached, then almost 3 feet of metal pieces, and then more soft metal.

When the drill was brought back up another twist was added to the whole mystery. Attached to the auger was a small piece of sheepskin parchment with the letters "vi"; "ui"; or "wi"; What the parchment is a part of is still in question.

More convinced than ever that a great treasure was beneath the island, The Treasure Company began sinking more shafts in the attempts to get to the cement vault. They all met with failure due to flooding.

2nd Flood Tunnel

In May of 1899, yet another startling discovery was made. There was a second flood tunnel! This one was located in the South Shore Cove. The designers had been more ingenious and had done more work than previously thought. Though this find certainly strengthened the case that something valuable was buried below it didn't bring anyone closer to actually finding the treasure.

Blair and The Oak Island Treasure Company continued to sink new shafts and drill more core samples, but no progress was made and no new information obtained.

Between 1900 and 1936 several attempts were made to obtain the treasure. All met with no success.

Stone Fragment

In 1936 Gilbert Hadden, in conjunction with Fred Blair, began a new investigation of the island. Hadden cleared some of the earlier shafts near the Pit and made plans for exploratory drilling the next summer. However, he made two discoveries away from the Pit.

The first was a fragment of a stone bearing inscriptions similar to those found on the inscribed stone discovered at the 90 foot level of the Money Pit. The second discovery was of several old timbers in Smith's Cove. These timbers seem to have been from the original designers due to the fact that they were joined using wooden pins rather than metal. As will be seen later these timbers were only a small part of a much larger construction.

Mystery Deepens

The next treasure hunter was Erwin Hamilton. He began his search in 1938 by clearing out previous shafts and doing some exploratory drilling. In 1939 during drilling two more discoveries were made. The first was the finding of rocks and gravel at 190 feet. According to Hamilton they were foreign and therefore placed there by someone. The second finding came after clearing out an earlier shaft down to 176 feet. At this point a layer of limestone was encountered and drilled through. The drilling brought up oak splinters. Apparently there was wood BELOW the natural limestone.

Tragedy Strikes

In 1959 Bob Restall and his family began their attack on the island which ultimately proved tragic.

His one discovery was made on the Smith's Cove beach while attempting to stop the drain system. He found a rock with "1704" inscribed on it. Though others believed it was prank left by a previous search team, Restall believed it was from the time of the original construction.

In 1965 tragedy struck. While excavating a shaft Bob passed out and fell into the water at the bottom. His son, Bobbie, attempted to rescue him as did two of the workers. All four apparently were overcome by some sort of gas, perhaps carbon monoxide from a generator, passed out and drowned.

Heavy Machines

Bob Dunfield was the next to take on the island. In 1965 he attempted to solve the problem with heavy machinery - bulldozers and cranes. He attempted to block the inflow of water at Smith's Cove, and may have succeeded. Then on the south side of the island an trench was dug in the hope of intercepting the other water tunnel and blocking it off. The flood tunnel wasn't found, but an unknown refilled shaft was found, possible one dug by the designers of the Pit. The shaft apparently went down to 45 and stopped, its purpose is unknown.

Dunfield's other findings were based on drilling. It was determined that at 140 feet there was a 2 foot thick layer of limestone and then a forty foot void. At the bottom of the void was bedrock. This information matched with a drilling done back in 1955. There seemed to a large, natural underground cavern, something apparently common with limestone around the world.

Recent Discoveries

Daniel Blankenship, the current searcher, began his quest in 1965. In 1966 he dug out more of the original shaft found by Bob Dunfield in 1965. It turned out that the shaft did go beyond 45 feet. Blankenship found a hand-wrought nail and a washer at 60 feet. At 90 feet he met a layer of rocks in stagnant water. He assumed this was part of the south water tunnel but couldn't explore further because the shaft could not be stopped from caving in.

A pair of wrought-iron scissors were discovered in 1967 buried below the drains at Smith's Cove. It was determined that the scissors were Spanish-American, probably made in Mexico, and they were up to 300 years old. Also found was a heart shaped stone.

Smith's Cove revealed some more secrets in 1970 to Triton Alliance, a group formed by Blankenship to continue the search. While Triton was building a new cofferdam they discovered the remains of what appeared to be the original builders' cofferdam. The findings included several logs 2 feet thick and up to 65 feet long. They were marked every four feet with Roman numerals carved in them and some contained wooden pins or nails. The wood has been carbon dated to 250 years ago.

The western end of the island has also revealed several items. Two wooden structures, along with wrought-iron nails and metal straps were found at the western beach. Nine feet below the beach a pair of leather shoes were unearthed.

Borehole 10-X

The next major discoveries came in 1976 when Triton dug what is known as Borehole 10-X, a 237 foot tube of steel sunk 180 feet northeast of the Money Pit. During the digging several apparently artificial cavities were found down to 230 feet (see: drilling results).

A camera lowered down to a bedrock cavity at 230 feet returned some amazing images. At first a severed hand could be seen floating in the water. Later three chests (of the treasure type I would presume) and various tools could be made out. Finally a human body was detected.

After seeing the images, the decision was made to send divers down for a look. Several attempts were made but strong current and poor visibility made it impossible to see anything.

Soon after the hole itself collapsed and has not been reopened.

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This is amazing!
1 posted on 07/25/2002 2:22:59 PM PDT by vannrox
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I have the answer. It is quite simple. Just tell Hillary Clinton that there is campaign money down there for her and, VOILA!, it will be recovered. If she cant hack it, call Jesse Jackson, this problem will be solved in no time...JFK
2 posted on 07/25/2002 2:37:42 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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To: vannrox
Thanks for the post. I remember reading this when I was kid, it boogles the mind that this could have been built without modern equipment.
3 posted on 07/25/2002 2:38:50 PM PDT by jaso
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To: vannrox
Dang, I was hoping to read a resolution by the end of the post. It is amazing.
5 posted on 07/25/2002 2:40:17 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: vannrox
Quite the scavenger hunt. What will they find at the bottom. Another clue?
6 posted on 07/25/2002 2:42:16 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: vannrox
Been following this story,on and off,for years.

Very intriguing ,but I've come to the conclusion that What lies at the bottom of the Money Pit? is many a man's dreams of untold riches.

Then again,in the words of Mel Fisher,"Today's the day!"

What a life Mel lived.

Always reminds me of a song from my favorite movie.

"Paint Your Wagon" "Gold Fever"

7 posted on 07/25/2002 2:42:22 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: vannrox
This was on either PBS, Discovery, or the Learning Channel, a few years back.....if you ever have an opportunity to watch's fascinating.
8 posted on 07/25/2002 2:46:20 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I'm with you. I was hoping for a recent breakthrough.

I first read about this in the 1968 book by John Godwin called "This Baffling World"
For those wanting more information there are several books which come up if you search for "money pit" on Amazon.

I just got 314 hits on Alta Vista for "Oak Island" and "Money Pit." Anybody know of a site which posts the latest news and efforts going on there?

10 posted on 07/25/2002 2:50:00 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: JanL
Nova Scotia
11 posted on 07/25/2002 2:50:33 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: vannrox
12 posted on 07/25/2002 2:54:21 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: vannrox
Bump! I love this kind of stuff.
13 posted on 07/25/2002 3:00:25 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Rodney King
14 posted on 07/25/2002 3:02:03 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: vannrox
Do people really think pirates would dig 150 feet down to bury treasure? Seems too far and too long to dig!
15 posted on 07/25/2002 3:03:20 PM PDT by jeffc
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To: vannrox
What lies at the bottom of the Money Pit?....


16 posted on 07/25/2002 3:04:46 PM PDT by bert
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To: jeffc
Oak Island Links
17 posted on 07/25/2002 3:09:32 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
You might want to check the archives (about two weeks ago) for the Art Bell show. Barbara Simpson interviewed a very knowledgeable guest on the subject. I believe he is one of two property owners on the island. Can't remember his name.
18 posted on 07/25/2002 3:09:37 PM PDT by Aliska
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That's why one theory is that it wasn't pirates at all, but a ship of the British Admiralty which ran into trouble while carrying precious metals back to Britain. The military crew would have had the expertise and manpower to design the site for safekeeping until another ship could return and retrieve the cargo.
They of course, would have been in possession of the secret to disarming the traps when they returned.
19 posted on 07/25/2002 3:12:53 PM PDT by ZGuy
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I dont think anyone is working in the area at the moment. What say we FReepers pool what's left of our 401k's and make a go of it?

Any takers?
20 posted on 07/25/2002 3:13:07 PM PDT by Allrightnow
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To: vannrox
read later
21 posted on 07/25/2002 3:13:34 PM PDT by jonathonandjennifer
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To: vannrox
22 posted on 07/25/2002 3:13:38 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: Allrightnow
I wonder if there's any cheese at the bottom of the pit?
23 posted on 07/25/2002 3:15:25 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Below you'll find brief summaries of many of the theories about who built the Money Pit and why. We'll delve into the details and possibilities in the first several issues of Enigma.

Theories - Who constructed the puzzle on Oak Island?

Captain William Kidd - the notorious privateer. Legends abound about secret caches of treasure buried by Kidd and his crew. Periodically maps have popped up alleged to be Kidd's showing the location of his treasures. There are many tales of old men on their death beds claiming to have been part of Kidd's crews and having knowledge of hidden wealth. Some of these stories point toward Oak Island.

Francis Bacon - there is a raging debate regarding the possibility that Shakespeare's play were not written by him. Some claim that Shakespeare was not educated enough to write his plays and they must have been written by someone else. Some people believe this someone else is Francis Bacon. Since no original manuscripts of Shakespeare have ever been found, the theory goes that Bacon has buried them somewhere to be found some time at some time in the future. This is a fascinating subject by itself that we'll explore under its own topic in the future.

The French - some theorize that the French may have buried money on the island as a safeguard against loss during the many battles with the English over the colonization of the Americas.

The Vikings - there is some record of Viking visitation to the Americas. Though no one knows what would have been so important to hide that such a complicated hiding place was needed, they have been offered as possible builders.

<!_ 224>Bands of pirates - Oak Island acted as a communal bank for pirates. Each group would dig tunnels off the Money Pit shaft and bury their treasure. To retrieve it they could dig down through untouched dirt to get their cache.<!_ 209 Treasure of Havana, Cuba - >

<!_ 210-238>Stranded Spanish Galleon - it's possible that a Spanish Galleon returning with gold and jewels from Central or South America could have been forced off course. Badly damaged, then stopped at Oak Island, hid the treasure while repairing the ship, and limped home with plans to return later with a more sea-worthy ship to retrieve their cargo.

<!_ 212>British during American revolution - similar to the French theory. The idea is that the British hid money on the island to prevent it from falling into the hands of the revolutionaries.<!_ Chap 13 Crown Jewels of France - >

<!_ 227 and 230>Inca or Maya treasure - during the conquering of the Americas by the Europeans in the 17th and 18th centuries, much of the wealth of the Incas and Mayas disappeared. Usually rumored to have been buried or sunken at the bottom of lakes, some researchers believe that it's possible that a group of Incas or Mayas, possible with the help of sympathetic Europeans, stole away with the wealth and buried on Oak Island out of the reach of the conquerors.

24 posted on 07/25/2002 3:16:01 PM PDT by vannrox
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As directed from Art Bell Archives:

"...Unfortunately…the island is closed to the public now….but hopefully tours will be available again soon. The last activity of any merit occurred in 1995 when a team from Woods Hole spent two weeks on the island and also surveyed the surrounding bay. While I can not divulge the 200 page report from them...I can say it did nothing to discourage us from continuing the search!!..."

25 posted on 07/25/2002 3:22:08 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: jonathonandjennifer

26 posted on 07/25/2002 3:23:39 PM PDT by vannrox
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You just know it'll be "I dug to the bottom of the Money-Pit, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt!"

27 posted on 07/25/2002 3:24:16 PM PDT by Andy Ross
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Art Bell Show archive link here

From there it links to Oak Island Treasure dot Com

Guest's name was Bill Milstead

28 posted on 07/25/2002 3:26:11 PM PDT by Aliska
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Ya beat me. Thanks for grabbing the pic. I coded it in then got the code screwed up and lost it so gave up. And thanks for the update.
29 posted on 07/25/2002 3:28:21 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: vannrox
what a fun read - thanks!
30 posted on 07/25/2002 3:36:28 PM PDT by Chili Girl
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Great story. I heard about this mystery years ago, and have always wanted to try the following strategy:

1. Dig down to the point where water starts flooding in.

2. Get some green food coloring. A LOT of green food coloring. Probably several hundred 55-gallon drums of green food coloring.

3. Pour the stuff into the hole, then seal the top somehow (I always envisioned using the biggest pressure cooker lid that could be cast).

4. Pressurize the hole with compressed air.

5. Get in a helicopter and look for green dye coming out of the ground or into the sea nearby. (There might be more than one entry point).

6. Block or dam those entry points. A big piece of fothered sail or tarp might be enough.

7. Finish digging the hole, free of the worry of sudden drowning, and discover whatever is down there.

Who's with me?!?!?

31 posted on 07/25/2002 3:37:52 PM PDT by strela
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To: vannrox
cool post. thanks.
32 posted on 07/25/2002 3:40:52 PM PDT by galt-jw
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vannrox...ranxerox...any relation?

33 posted on 07/25/2002 3:46:16 PM PDT by galt-jw
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34 posted on 07/25/2002 3:48:02 PM PDT by Freeper 007
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I don't know how expensive it would be, but might it be possible to get down there using a caisson: a large diameter steel pipe open at the bottom and closed at the top except for an airlock?

The ground beneath the caisson is gradually excavated, the debris from the excavation is removed from the caisson.

Compressed air within the casisson would prevent water from entering at the bottom.

As this excavation progresses, the caisson progresses downwards.

There might be a danger of the tunnel above the caisson collapsing, so that would need to be shored up as the work progresses--with, say, a larger pipe.

Probably very expensive and slow, but it should work.
35 posted on 07/25/2002 3:53:29 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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Who's with me?!?!?

Too late. Already done. Dye washed up on both sides of the island in a big indistinct mess.

36 posted on 07/25/2002 3:59:09 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: vannrox
I heard about this a long time ago too. I would think the petroleum industry has technology that could be used to map the rock layers underneath the island. I was hoping someone would have done something like that and had new information.
37 posted on 07/25/2002 4:25:32 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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In the early 50s my Dad subscribed to "True the Men's Magazine". I was only 10 but found the stories riveting. It was in one issue that I discovered the mystery of Oak Island. The posted story doesn't mention that FDR was a part of one of the failed expeditions to recover the "treasure". It has been speculated that that the "real manuscripts" Sir Francis Bacon are hidden here and would prove that he not Shakespeare had written those magnificent plays and poems.

When we built our summer home in Toms River NJ I went walking thru the woods surrounding our development. I found an old tree with a chain on a limb, like the one on Oak Island and the way in which the branch had grown and the bark had enveloped the chain was intriguing. The lore of Toms River on Barnegat Bay includes stories of pirates, including Capt Kidd, who brought their ships into the bay. This tree was a couple hundred meters from the bay shoreline. Who knows?

38 posted on 07/25/2002 4:39:10 PM PDT by Young Werther
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One question. Who owns Oak Island and the Money Pit? I don't think we can just waltz in there onto someone else's property and spend the remains of our 401K's on digging out their treasure.
39 posted on 07/25/2002 4:39:54 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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That is amazing. BTW there was a novelization of the Money Pit Mystery by Preston and Childs (who wrote "The Relic"). Also, where did the dead hand photos disappear to?
40 posted on 07/25/2002 4:59:54 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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There was an article about Oak Island published in the March/April 2000 issue of Skeptical Inquirer.

Here's the conclusion:

In summary, therefore, I suggest first that the "Money Pit" and "pirate tunnels" are nothing of the sort but are instead natural formations. Secondly, I suggest that much of the Oak Island saga-certain reported actions and alleged discoveries-can best be understood in light of Freemasonry's Secret Vault allegory. Although it is difficult to know at this juncture whether the Masonic elements were opportunistically added to an existing treasure quest or whether the entire affair was a Masonic creation from the outset, I believe the mystery has been solved. The solution is perhaps an unusual one but no more so than the saga of Oak Island itself.

You can read the whole thing here.

41 posted on 07/25/2002 5:15:16 PM PDT by forsnax5
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To: vannrox
Or, the Conquistedores, in order to get that gold to Europe, stopped over on Nova Scotia.

You would have two conveyors going - one would take gold from South America and Mexico up to Nova Scotia. Another conveyor would transport the gold from Nova Scotia to Brussels (then Spanish territory).

The best times to travel each leg occur at dramatically different times of year, and Northern sea ice was a real threat to everyone taking the return trip to Europe.

Oak Island would have served as a relatively safe place to stage the gold shipments.

Notice that the French settled Port Royal (Annapolis Royal) directly West of Oak Island. By their day the ship designs could handle the strength of the currents in the Bay of Fundy, so the West coast was safer than the East coast (Oak Island).

42 posted on 07/25/2002 5:23:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: vannrox
While it may be economically infeasable it seems that this problem could be, and could have been, solved with the suitable application of bentonite and cement. At the least, people drilling it could just continue around in a circle and backfill the bores with cement bentonite grout until they create an impermiable grout curtain around the entire structure...
43 posted on 07/25/2002 5:27:24 PM PDT by Axenolith
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To: Age of Reason
I don't know how expensive it would be, but might it be possible to get down there using a caisson: a large diameter steel pipe open at the bottom and closed at the top except for an airlock?

If I'm not mistaken, this was how the Brooklyn Bridge was built. The workers who worked down in the air chamber kept suffering from a mysterious ailment, in some cases it was really debilitating. I believe the bridge's developer/designer himself went down into the air chamber and was also afflicted by the ailment.

Medical science later had a name for this affliction suffered by the Brooklyn Bridge workers- Decompression Sickness or commonly known as "The Bends".

I saw a program about that and being a scuba diver, it made me cringe to hear about those poor bastard's plight.

I have always found this Oak Island mystery so fascinating and it is a wonder that with today's technology we haven't figured out what's down there.

44 posted on 07/25/2002 5:28:43 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: galt-jw
That picture looks like Alfred E. Newman on steroids.
45 posted on 07/25/2002 5:32:11 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: vannrox
The Wall Street Journal did a number of articles on this many (20?) years ago.

Interesting that it still isn't solved.
48 posted on 07/25/2002 5:46:49 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: vannrox
Didn't President Rosevelt have some interest in Oak Island?
49 posted on 07/25/2002 6:00:42 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: Prodigal Son

I read McCollough's The Great Bridge twenty years ago, which is the story of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Yes, they excavated the foundations for the bridge by using caissons filled with compressed air (the caissons were later filled with cement; above them rest the granite blocks that form the piers and towers of the bridge).

Washington Roebling suffered from the bends after a visit to the caisson and was said to have been incapacitated from it for the rest of his life--though it's likely what he suffered from was more mental than physical.

(Washington Roebling's old man, John Roebling, died from a tetnus infection that resulted from having his foot crushed in an accident while surveying the bridge site.)

50 posted on 07/25/2002 6:47:25 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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