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Local governments can inspect inside your private home
The Asheville Tribune ^ | 7/26/02 | By Clint Parker

Posted on 07/26/2002 2:02:45 PM PDT by CFW

“We get an administrative search warrant, and then they have to let us in…”

A move by two area municipalities to inspect the inside of residents' homes has opened Constitutional questions about how much authority local governments have to enforce zoning and building codes.

The town of Montreat, NC is considering "periodic safety inspections" of "all homes" along with a long list of other requirements for residences.

At the same time, the Hickory Daily Record reported, the city of Hickory, NC will soon be sending inspectors to more than 300 homes and businesses with broken windows, ripped awnings, battered fences or other maintenance code violations

The inspections come as a result of a land-use plan adopted by Hickory in May 2001 which included the new rules on property maintenance.

City officials in Hickory held off on any immediate crack down on violations to give homeowners a chance to make repairs. A citywide survey began last August using a college student intern from Lenoir-Rhyne College who drove street by street through Hickory and noted potential problems. The survey was completed earlier this month.

Armin Wallner, Hickory's building inspections director, said the ordinance mainly covers the exterior of the home. "If your buffer area died . . . we'd say you’ve got to fix those buffers. Or if your sidewalk was breaking up or if your driveway was breaking up or your fences are looking in disrepair or the outside of your building needs a little paint or you’ve got broken windows, we would be notifying owners of those conditions and asking if they would voluntarily fix those," said Wallner.

While the ordinance deals mainly with outside appearances, Wallner said that they have had the right since the 1960s to inspect the inside of the home if they had a petition that was signed by five neighbors.

"The only time we go in the inside of a house is when we get a petition filed by five residences," said Wallner. According to Wallner, city building inspectors would then inspect the inside of the house in question.

Asked if a warrant was needed by the inspectors to enter the house, Wallner first said, "No. We've been doing that since the 1960s." Asked what would happen if a homeowner refused to allow inspectors into the house without a warrant, Wallner replied, "We get an administrative search warrant. Then they have to let us in, but that never happens."

Wallner used a broken window as an example of the new property maintenance ordinance. "If we see a broken window, we're going send you a letter asking you to fix it."

Fines for violations are $50 per day until the problem is fixed. Wallner added that "at some point" if the problem were not fixed, a violator would have to go in to see a magistrate.

Asked what would happen if a person didn't have the money to fix something such as an elderly woman on a fixed income. "Well, we have neighborhood associations. So we would probably go to the neighborhood association and see if there's any help." Asked what would happen if there were no help available from the association, Wallner said, "Then we would ask then to get in touch with... We would do what we could, but at some point someone's got to fix the broken window."

After a pause, Wallner said, "You'll always have those situations that are tough, you know, and we realize that too." He then sighed and said, "Ordinances were made to be followed. They're not all good." He then immediately corrected himself and said, "I mean they're not all bad."

In Montreat, the planning and zoning board is conducting three hearings on new regulations the board wants to impose on homeowners. The list of regulations includes:

* Mandating that "every homeowner be required to provide an off-street parking space for every bedroom in the house."

* "...periodic safety inspections of all [privately owned] homes by the Black Mountain Fire Dept., especially those which are rented."

* Requiring all "property owners who rent housing to obtain a rental privilege license from the Town of Montreat, and that provision of such license be worked out..."

* Requiring the use of only natural materials for homes and structures, to include "wood, stone and natural materials."

* Regulating what "proper landscaping" on private property would be; to include what type of bushes, trees and plants are appropriate in a personal flower bed or private garden.

* Using the Land of Sky Regional Council as a resource to help develop "alternatives to paved parking... to minimize storm water run-off."

* Limit the amount of vehicles traveling through the valley "thus decreasing the dangers of air pollution damage to humans, animals and plants."

* Incorporating shuttle buses to run people into Montreat from external parking facilities.

* Regulating noise from automobiles, summer conferences and heating and cooling equipment.

* Obtaining "a minimum of 3,000 acres (to be preserved) in order to provide a large enough un-fragmented preserve to maintain biodiversity and to off diversity of wilderness recreational experiences."

* Conducting a "full inventory of plant and animal species" in Montreat to see if there are any species that would need to be titled as "threatened" or "endangered" within the "Montreat Wilderness" area.

* Placing "platted lots which are adjacent to the Montreat Wilderness boundary, into the Montreat Wilderness, thus adding additional wilderness acreage closer and more accessible."

* Closing any additional hiking trails or hiking shelters within the Montreat Wilderness "in order to protect and preserve the wilderness environment from user impact."

* Requiring any "large groups" holding public events to "provide a plan for traffic control and parking and demonstrate means of implementation to the Town for approval."

Montreat Town Administrator Pam Snypes said she doesn't know exactly what the zoning board is proposing because she is not involved in the meetings. "That's not anything I attend, and I'm not sure what their agenda is for each meeting," said Snypes.

Asked who could answer some questions on the new regulations, Snypes told the Tribune to call the Mayor of Montreat, Letta Jean Taylor. Asked if she was on the zoning board, Snypes said, "No." Asked if it would be better to call someone on the zoning board, Snypes replied, "Well, I think first of all, you need to speak, like I said, with the mayor. According to our personnel policy, when it's a media contact it's usually the mayor or the town administrator or the department head who speaks with the media."

The Tribune tried to reach Mayor Taylor, but she did not return our call by deadline.

Anna Cannon, a Montreat resident, has been to one of the meetings and plans to attend the other two. She told the Tribune after hearing the proposals she got up at the first meeting and said, "I don't understand why you all are not outraged at some of those proposals because they're draconian in their nature and they're unconstitutional."

Cannon said the problem the town is trying to fix is not with the homeowners, but with the conferees at Montreat College, "but they want to punish the homeowners... It's the conference that brings in the majority of people."

Cannon said that the town already tries to manage homeowners down to the most minute detail explaining that when she needed to repair the roof on her 100-year-old home the construction company had to obtain a $30 permit from the town and approve the plans for repair. The approval took two weeks. During which time it rained. The rain caused water damage to the inside of her home.

When asked why she had to get approval from the town to fix her roof, Cannon said she was told that the town has to maintain the "character" of the community. However, Cannon explained, the town approved a variance for an Asheville doctor who moved to Montreat and asked for a 2000 square foot addition to the home he bought. "The additions came within inches of the property line," said Cannon.

It seems no town is immune to the micro-management from town and city.

Hendersonville has ordinances requiring that "every habitable room shall have at least one window or skylight facing directly toward to the outdoors," "all exterior openable windows and doors" will have screens, and even that hot water heaters have "a temperature of not less than 120 degrees."

Asheville is noted for its strict zoning regulations, even Hickory's building inspections director Wallner made mention of it in his conversation with the Tribune. Asked if he was envious of the Asheville regulations, Wallner said, "No, too much work."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; landgrab
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1 posted on 07/26/2002 2:02:45 PM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW
Asked what would happen if a person didn't have the money to fix something such as an elderly woman on a fixed income. "Well, we have neighborhood associations. So we would probably go to the neighborhood association and see if there's any help." Asked what would happen if there were no help available from the association, Wallner said, "Then we would ask then to get in touch with... We would do what we could, but at some point someone's got to fix the broken window."

Sheesh! Looks like it would be easier, quicker, and cheaper if Mr. Wallner just drove out and fixed it himself!

2 posted on 07/26/2002 2:12:53 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: CFW
Wallner said that they have had the right since the 1960s to inspect the inside of the home if they had a petition that was signed by five neighbors.

Amendment IV, according to Montreat, NC:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, does not exist, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon the petition of five nosy busy-bodies, supported by suspicion or any other reason or even no reason at all, and particularly describing the shakedown we'll give you, and the person's whose rights are to be egregiously violated."

Seriously, this is no less than I would expect from a communist country. How sad.

3 posted on 07/26/2002 2:13:36 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: CFW
Asked what would happen if a homeowner refused to allow inspectors into the house without a warrant, Wallner replied, "We get an administrative search warrant. Then they have to let us in, but that never happens."

This is ridiculous. An "administrative search warrant" is nothing more than a piece of paper. Search warrants are issued by judges upon a demonstration of probably cause by the requesting agency (police or otherwise). The judge performs a critical, constitutional gatekeeping function.

4 posted on 07/26/2002 2:14:12 PM PDT by mondonico
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To: CFW
THIS IS MOST DANGEROUS THING I'VE EVER SEEN TO HIT THIS COUNTRY!Zoning&planning commissions as well as any government offices should be eliminated from all communities,THERE IS NO "BUGGER MAN"we need protection from.
5 posted on 07/26/2002 2:14:15 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: CFW
Next they will want to tell you that you can't drive an SUV.
6 posted on 07/26/2002 2:15:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: CFW
Sounds like North Carolina of the Old South is becoming more and more like today's New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts. I'm in MA, and that's the sort of invasive government busybody-ness I'd expect people to ask for here.

I'm thinking of moving to New Hampshire, where things are still a bit like they used to be. Maine, strangely enough, is dominated by the liberals that have flooded into the southern part of the state, although government is often ignored in the more rural areas DownEast.

7 posted on 07/26/2002 2:15:23 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: CFW
hot water heaters

Why do you have to heat hot water?

8 posted on 07/26/2002 2:16:41 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: CFW
yeah, but you are free, remember? now pay your damn taxes or get thrown in jail, serf.
9 posted on 07/26/2002 2:17:10 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I'm thinking of moving to New Hampshire, where things are still a bit like they used to be.

Think again. Massholes are ruining the place.

Maine, strangely enough, is dominated by the liberals that have flooded into the southern part of the state, although government is often ignored in the more rural areas DownEast.

You just described NH, to a tee.

10 posted on 07/26/2002 2:18:29 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Virginia recently enacted a law that allows the state to inspect the homes of people fostering rescued dogs, without warrant or notice, if the state vet thinks there may be a problem.

I am part of a group that is trying to overturn this unconstitutional power grab against private citizens who are only trying to help dogs in need---dogs that would likely be killed if they remained in the government shelters.

The courts are great in theory, but it takes big bucks to bring a constitutional challenge.

11 posted on 07/26/2002 2:21:17 PM PDT by 07055
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To: editor-surveyor
PING! The government property kings are at it again.
12 posted on 07/26/2002 2:26:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: freeeee
though government is often ignored in the more rural areas DownEast.

You just described NH, to a tee.


And most of rural New England in all six states.

These North Carolina rules make it impossible for poor people to live in their communities. That snob zoning has been a very clever tool in the hands of "limousine liberals" to increase their property values by keeping the hoi polloi out while claiming the virtues of environmentalism. Such communities are momuments to the hypocrisy of liberals.
13 posted on 07/26/2002 2:31:13 PM PDT by cgbg
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To: freeeee
RE your #10:

"Massholes" -- I like it!

As for the spillover into NH, that's depressing. Maybe I can help if I go north.

14 posted on 07/26/2002 2:33:38 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: CFW
Sounds like a law to produce reverse Robin Hood results to me. Just when I think our government at federal, state, and local levels, can't sink to new unconstitutional lows in conducting their business or rather trying to conduct others business for them, they prove me wrong everytime. The local well known clergy needs to preach a sermon on robbing widows and the poor's homes and purses.
15 posted on 07/26/2002 2:33:49 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: CFW

You got it.

I don't know why people feel they have this right to make money on an investment. You see it everywhere from Enron all the way down to home ownership.

People invest money and make a profit, that's great! If they invest money and lose it? Well, then it's someone elses fault.

IMO your right to do what you want with regard to the appearance of your home trumps this fake "right" your neighbors have to make a profit on their investment.

Otherwise, you have situations like this where towns are grabbing land under immenient domain to build shopping malls and homeowners associations have to approve the color of your house.

It get's ridiculous and as long as it's not their ox being gored and they stand to profit, don't expect your neighbors to say a word in opposition.

16 posted on 07/26/2002 2:45:42 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Seems like there is a never ending supply of the same North East Socialists who have also ruined Calif. first thing they do is seize control and start imposing the rules they want. The locals wake up too late to what has been done. Idaho has also been over run by these idiots and even Nevada is about to be taken over.
17 posted on 07/26/2002 2:50:09 PM PDT by willyone
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To: CFW
Yet more civil liberties sacrificed in the name of "Safety".
18 posted on 07/26/2002 2:52:15 PM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: BlessingInDisguise
Fear of death is the beginning of slavery.
19 posted on 07/26/2002 2:55:17 PM PDT by weikel
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To: CFW
Is there doubt in any mind that this is just part of the crap the Founding Fathers were trying to protect us from when they attempted to limit the powers of government? Too bad we couldn't stick to it. Unfortunately, there are far too many penny-ante dictators around. And they just gravitate to jobs like these planning and zoning commission positions where they can make up the rules. They are so absolutely convinced of the importance of their latest brain fart they have no compunction about making new laws. They will stop at absolutely nothing. The Constitution has no meaning to them.
20 posted on 07/26/2002 3:02:03 PM PDT by laredo44
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