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ARE DEMOCRATS SOCIALISTS
Fiedor Report On the News #280 ^ | 7-28-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 07/27/2002 11:27:25 AM PDT by forest

We, and others, have labeled the Democrats as a bunch of socialists. Some are, of course. But, that "some" does not necessarily define the whole of the group. So, maybe we should reconsider. That is, maybe we should label them more by what they do, rather than just by what they say.

Socialism, after all, implies outright nationalization of the means of production. Government would take ownership of all business. Sure, the Democrats have tried to have government take over segments of business from time to time, but never everything in the country. They have never even hinted at making everyone an employee of the state. Rather, Democrats just want to keep certain segments of society as dependent on government as possible so they can control them -- and count on those groups for their vote.

Democrats, as a whole, are into control. That is, instead of government ownership of our nation's agriculture, business and industry, the Democratic Party favors private ownership. The responsibility for operation is then placed in private hands, rather than governments.

Under the plan of the Democratic Party, government will only control, not own, the means of production in the United States. That started with Roosevelt's "New Deal." Therein, dozens of regulatory bureaucracies were formed with new (totally unconstitutional) powers to regulate all agriculture, business and industry in the country. Roosevelt claimed this was done to fight the depression. But, even when the depression was over, the bureaucracies increased in size and power.

The Johnson administration followed Roosevelt's lead with the "Great Society" war on poverty. That cost the American taxpayer's nearly three-trillion dollars and did nothing except steal more freedom. The poverty level is higher now than before the Great Society programs began. But, the bureaucracy expanded considerably as government extended its controlling tentacles into our private lives.

Then came the environmental movement. First, man was said to be causing another ice age. That proven false, they changed it to global warming. Whichever. EPA is one of the most obnoxious and best financed regulatory agencies today. They control some aspect of nearly everything we do.

Then came the multi-billion dollar war on drugs. Again, Americans saw freedoms evaporate and the police state greatly expand. Today, a citizen can be said, but need not proven, to be guilty of a drug offense and, through unconstitutional forfeiture laws, government can take any goods or money they wish. A trial is no longer necessary. Today, punishment comes before trial. And that punishment is at the discretion of government agents -- who then get to keep all the goods or money they take for the use of the people in their own department.

Of course, we are all familiar with today's style of free speech, commonly called "politically correct" speech. The Democrats have even usurped our language. Like Orwell's "Newspeak," today's speech is often very sanitized. In today's schools, such a tight rein is kept on the thoughts and speech of students that kids will actually be expelled for drawing a picture of a gun or even pointing a finger and saying "bang." Cursing, however, is politically correct -- as is the free distribution of birth control devices and/or the distribution of literature promoting deviant sexual behavior.

Little or none of this is socialism. Therefore, we should now quit calling the Democrats socialists. They are something else. But what?

Well, they caused vast unconstitutional government programs at taxpayer's expense. None of these programs promoted free market solutions. None were ever used to expand individual freedom. Just the opposite, in fact. Every single Democrat program greatly restricted the freedom of the American people.

The Democrats mutated the federal government into a system of government marked by centralization of authority. The Democrats' programs put forth stringent socioeconomic controls. Now, with their "politically correct" garbage, they are attempting to suppress all opposition through terror and censorship. They label anyone supporting the Constitution as a radical, call those with religious convictions kooks, and say that anyone who refuses to associate with the deviants of society are dangerous. They become belligerent to parents who demand their children actually learn useful skills in school rather than liberal indoctrination. And they are even trying to tell us that a garden variety owl or bug takes precedence over the land use of humans.

The Democrats have a simple concept, actually. The activities of the individual must be subjugated to the will of the state. The state, then, will be directed by leaders like them: Democrat-Fascists.  

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The Democrats have a simple concept, actually. The activities of the individual must be subjugated to the will of the state. The state, then, will be directed by leaders like them: Democrat-Fascists.  

Socialism, after all, implies outright nationalization of the means of production. Government would take ownership of all business.

Democrats, as a whole, are into control. That is, instead of government ownership of our nation's agriculture, business and industry, the Democratic Party favors private ownership. The responsibility for operation is then placed in private hands, rather than governments.

The Democrats mutated the federal government into a system of government marked by centralization of authority. The Democrats' programs put forth stringent socioeconomic controls. Now, with their "politically correct" garbage, they are attempting to suppress all opposition through terror and censorship.

1 posted on 07/27/2002 11:27:25 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest
Nazi's then!
2 posted on 07/27/2002 11:33:33 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: forest
ARE DEMOCRATS SOCIALISTS

It's called a "question mark". Here's what it looks like:

?

I first learned about it in the second or third grade of elementary school.

3 posted on 07/27/2002 11:35:00 AM PDT by handk
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To: forest
Socialism, after all, implies outright nationalization of the means of production.

No, the communists tried that. It crashes too quickly.

Modern Socialist nationalizes the *results* of production. Income taxes, Social Security, Capital Gains, Auto Taxes, Death Taxes, Sin Taxes, Sale Taxes, Gas Taxes, etc.

Now what is the difference between subsidizing steel and subsidizing medical care?

4 posted on 07/27/2002 11:40:36 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: forest
Yep great post I would like to add something else Democracy and Representive government always leads to socialism( taxes went up after the American revolution a monarchy is a better form of government).
5 posted on 07/27/2002 11:46:50 AM PDT by weikel
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To: forest
If you have absolute control of something...you pretty much own it, don't you?
6 posted on 07/27/2002 11:49:12 AM PDT by JessicaDragonet
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
I agree, call them nazis
7 posted on 07/27/2002 11:51:14 AM PDT by stumpy
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To: forest
Democratic Party favors private ownership

Not really, it's the lawyers, almost all Democrats, that favor private ownership, else they're out of their cash cow.

You could call Democrats fascists, however that implies they have a vested interest in private industry making a profit. That is not the case with today's Democrats, they have a profit envy problem. Socialism more closely describes them. And we must be hitting close to home because it really bothers them. The label doesn't matter too much though. A stinking rose still stinks by any name.

8 posted on 07/27/2002 11:54:29 AM PDT by Reeses
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I wish someone with stones during a debate would say.... "I think that Mr. Kennedy/ Franks/Daschle etc..from the National Democratic Socialist Party would blah blah blah.." It would be priceless to hear the howls of protest since that is the monicker given to Republicans..
9 posted on 07/27/2002 11:56:19 AM PDT by Dick Vomer
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To: stumpy
They're certainly closer to fascists than communists. After all, it was the fascists who rejected the idea of the public ownership of the means of production in favor of control and regulation. Their logic was that the actual ownership of the means of production was unimportant; what counted, in their view, was the issue of control itself.

Of course, good luck convincing liberals of this unassailable fact of history. They're far too stupid to apply the Nazi label to their own fascist schemes.

10 posted on 07/27/2002 11:57:00 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: forest
In a word, YES!
11 posted on 07/27/2002 11:58:13 AM PDT by reillyoburbank
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To: Dick Vomer
the National Democratic Socialist Party

The Nazi party still lives in Germany today though they have taken a new name, that exact name you just mentioned. They are Germany's Democrats, the main difference being they are socialists that are also patriotic of their home country.

12 posted on 07/27/2002 12:02:07 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: forest
Central planners have forever failed. The thing that made the USA different was its early implicit trust in the individual to make the right choices, to live his or her life as they deemed fit. Democrats have in recent decades wanted to substitute government choice for individual choice because they believe that some significant subset of the population is incapable of making good choices. This elitist attitude is at the root of nearly all our present problems. Half of our population are convinced that Uncle Sugar can make better decisions for them than they can for themselves. In a nutshell, that is what is wrong with our country.
13 posted on 07/27/2002 12:06:48 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: forest
Socialists? Why give socialists such a bad name? The Democrats are simply a group of garden-variety gangsters who have learned that demagogery is more potent than the tommy gun.

This is why they are so vitriolic against O'Reilly - because they can't stand the contrast presented by that rarest of all birds, the "honest liberal".

If the US was Russia back at the turn of the last century, the Democrats are the ones who would be nuzzling up to Stalin's sphincter!

14 posted on 07/27/2002 12:07:53 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: reillyoburbank
Maybe a better question would be:

Are the republicans socialists too?

15 posted on 07/27/2002 12:09:01 PM PDT by tcostell
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To: forest; Grampa Dave
Great article on a timely topic since we have a Governor in California that is totally into CONTROL but has botched the job!
16 posted on 07/27/2002 12:09:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: handk
The question mark was considered. Titles seem to be exceptions. There is much more to consider in this intellectual post.
17 posted on 07/27/2002 12:09:35 PM PDT by forest
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To: forest
"ARE DEMOCRATS SOCIALISTS?"

Hey, does the Pope wear a funny hat?

18 posted on 07/27/2002 12:11:03 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: AdamSelene235
It's the crash that leads to totalinarianism and dictatorship, which is their goal, IMHO.
19 posted on 07/27/2002 12:13:11 PM PDT by forest
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To: Movemout
This elitist attitude is at the root of nearly all our present problems.

I agree. And the root of their elitism is narcissism. How can they love themselves if they aren’t better than you? Helping the helpless affirms their superiority, is the much needed fuel to continue their love for themselves.

20 posted on 07/27/2002 12:14:30 PM PDT by Reeses
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