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F-16s Pursue Unknown Craft Over Region
Washington Post ^ | Saturday, July 27, 2002 | Steve Vogel

Posted on 07/27/2002 2:10:13 PM PDT by Pro Consul

Edited on 07/27/2002 2:11:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

"It was this object, this light-blue object, traveling at a phenomenal rate of speed," Rogers said. "This Air Force jet was right behind it, chasing it, but the object was just leaving him in the dust. I told my neighbor, 'I think those jets are chasing a UFO.' "

Military officials confirm that two F-16 jets from Andrews Air Force Base were scrambled early yesterday after radar detected an unknown aircraft in area airspace. But they scoff at the idea that the jets were chasing a strange and speedy, blue unidentified flying object.

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Can anyone tell me what type of aircraft can outrun an F-16?
1 posted on 07/27/2002 2:10:13 PM PDT by Pro Consul
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To: Pro Consul
Large blue alien balls can.
2 posted on 07/27/2002 2:11:17 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Pro Consul
Can anyone tell me what type of aircraft can outrun an F-16?

F-22s and Sr-71s.
3 posted on 07/27/2002 2:12:34 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: Pro Consul
Hmmmmmm. The Air Force confirms it, so there has to be something to the story.

Light blue, eh? Hmmmmmmmm. I'm gonna have to think about this one.

4 posted on 07/27/2002 2:13:28 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Pro Consul
Hello Art Bell...

We have an orb over Washington DC..

5 posted on 07/27/2002 2:14:46 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Texaggie79; RedBloodedAmerican; dead
Ping!
6 posted on 07/27/2002 2:16:17 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Pro Consul
Maybe they were two aircraft and one was at the barrier. Looks like this:


7 posted on 07/27/2002 2:20:03 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Admin Moderator
I have a question re: the legalities surrouding WP posts. I noticed if I click on the history link and then click on the original article link I can still view the original article as posted. Now if the original article was not legally appropriate, why is it ok to have a link to the original article? Just curious.
8 posted on 07/27/2002 2:20:48 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: Pro Consul

9 posted on 07/27/2002 2:22:15 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: BJClinton
F-22s and Sr-71s.

F-14s and F-15's too.

10 posted on 07/27/2002 2:23:14 PM PDT by TankerKC
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11 posted on 07/27/2002 2:24:18 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: cmsgop; Tennessee_Bob
just posting this cause it looks good :)


12 posted on 07/27/2002 2:24:58 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Pro Consul

13 posted on 07/27/2002 2:29:06 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: palo verde; grannie9; okimhere
Pingeroo....
14 posted on 07/27/2002 2:30:18 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Pro Consul
Or perhaps the SUPER VALKYRIE.

15 posted on 07/27/2002 2:31:10 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; Long Cut
RBA is posting your baby....!
(LC is a Navy instructor for P-3 mission crews)
16 posted on 07/27/2002 2:34:04 PM PDT by HiJinx
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Looks like they sucked her brains out. Fast food.
18 posted on 07/27/2002 2:36:08 PM PDT by jumpstartme
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To: Long Cut
You in Orlando at AERA?
19 posted on 07/27/2002 2:38:42 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Pro Consul
Iwasabductednot. I did have a close encounter of the 3rd kind, though.
20 posted on 07/27/2002 2:40:29 PM PDT by auggy
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To: TankerKC
F-14's. . .no. F-14's are quick, but not that quick, with their old engines and all.

Operationally, all modern fighters have max speeds about the same. The F-15, F-16, F-18, they all are about the same. The question is max speed when configured for a mission with all that stuff hanging off the jet causing parasitic drag. And altitude as well.

At any rate, I'd take the F-15 to be the quickest, overall.
21 posted on 07/27/2002 2:41:13 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: maquiladora
Aurora
22 posted on 07/27/2002 2:43:10 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: Pro Consul
Military officials confirm that two F-16 jets from Andrews Air Force Base were scrambled early yesterday after radar detected an unknown aircraft in area airspace. But they scoff at the idea that the jets were chasing a strange and speedy, blue unidentified flying object.

So what were they chasing then?

23 posted on 07/27/2002 2:43:10 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: BJClinton
Can anyone tell me what type of aircraft can outrun an F-16? F-22s and Sr-71s.

Amoung others. The F-16 (also F-15, F-18) were designed for manueverability not raw top end speed. And old F-4, maybe and an F-104 for certain could easily outrun one, although not out accellerate it for short distances. None of them could outclimb any of the 3 more modern aircraft, which have much higher thrust to weight ratios.

24 posted on 07/27/2002 2:44:37 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: fiftymegaton
Yeah, or whatever they're calling it now.
25 posted on 07/27/2002 2:44:38 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Gunrunner2
F-14's. . .no. F-14's are quick, but not that quick, with their old engines and all

F-14D has more modern engines, the same used by F-15s and some F-16s, IIRC. The airplane finally got to perform as designed, the originally spec'd engines were closer to the new ones than to the TF-30s they were stuck with for so long. Then they converted 'em to ground attack. (They still retain their interceptor abilities though and would be used in that capacity if there was a credible air threat to the carrier/task force.

26 posted on 07/27/2002 2:49:16 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Pro Consul
If they were, in fact, aliens from another world in search of intelligent life, Washington DC is the last place they'll find it.
27 posted on 07/27/2002 2:52:17 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: Gunrunner2
F-14's. . .no. F-14's are quick, but not that quick, with their old engines and all.

F-14 : 1,564mph at level flight.
F-16 : 1,320mph at level flight.

28 posted on 07/27/2002 2:55:44 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora
What exactly do you call it??
29 posted on 07/27/2002 2:57:58 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: Mulder
Figure you to drop in on a truth is out there topic.
30 posted on 07/27/2002 2:59:23 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: Reactionary
Look guys. This is reported in the WP and acknowledged by the USAF. This was over Wash DC airspace. It showed up on radar. Jets were scrambled. This cannot just be glibly shrugged off.

Does anyone here believe in UFO's? (Hint: they may NOT be extraterrestrial "aliens")

31 posted on 07/27/2002 3:00:18 PM PDT by berned
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To: Pro Consul
A Fulcrum can. Probably more than one kind of U.S. fighter as well. Light Blue? Maybe a Blue Angel went bonkers?
32 posted on 07/27/2002 3:01:20 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: berned
Russians got some new toys??
33 posted on 07/27/2002 3:03:30 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: fiftymegaton
Considering Russia can't even feed it's people, I doubt it was Russian in origin. Even if Russia had such a thing, they wouldn't be messing with Wash DC airspace (the "holy of holies"). NO nation on earth would risk putting ANY kind of craft in Wash DC airspace, after 9-11.

A plane of any kind wouldn't be described by onlookers as a "ball of blue light traveling at fantastic speeds".

34 posted on 07/27/2002 3:09:16 PM PDT by berned
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To: Momaw Nadon
assuming the guy in your pics was in pursuit of that frisbee:

unless the other 'guy' was pulling a mad ivan, why weren't his wings swept ?

35 posted on 07/27/2002 3:09:35 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: fiftymegaton
What would I call it?

Well, everyone calls it Aurora, that came out in a Pentagon budget document and the plane buffs thought it was the codename for the SR-71 follow-up, turned out that 'Aurora' was a fund for some B-2 spending. But the name stuck. People were seeing this craft in the sky, and Aurora stuck.

Whats it really called? Who knows, the A-17? XB-71? Brilliant Buzzard, Blue Eyes? FDL-5?

Heck, who knows what it's offically called. But I still call it Aurora.

36 posted on 07/27/2002 3:10:37 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
My brother claims there are only classes of warfighting hardware - P-3s and targets. But, that's just him.
37 posted on 07/27/2002 3:13:08 PM PDT by strela
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To: berned
Look guys. This is reported in the WP and acknowledged by the USAF. This was over Wash DC airspace. It showed up on radar. Jets were scrambled. This cannot just be glibly shrugged off.

Could be just an experimental plane being tested without the knowledge of Andrews.

38 posted on 07/27/2002 3:14:06 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Mulder
Relieved the see Mulder weigh in.
39 posted on 07/27/2002 3:14:23 PM PDT by kinghorse
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If they were, in fact, aliens from another world in search of intelligent life

Nah, they just wanted one last picture to put on a postcard for their auntie on Betelguese (I seriously have no clue how to spell that).

40 posted on 07/27/2002 3:14:32 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: maquiladora
This was no aurora, or any other kind of US craft. They would NOT be test-flying experimental US aircraft in the airspace of Wash DC, in broad daylight, AFTER 9-11. Forget it. Ain't gonna happen.

This was NOT of US origin. The F-16's were scrambled by NORAD.

41 posted on 07/27/2002 3:15:11 PM PDT by berned
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To: Pro Consul
There is something to the story but anyone in a post 9/11 World who upon seeing F-16 fighters chasing something over Northern Virginia who has a first reaction of "I think those jets are chasing a UFO." is an idiot.

We've got many aircraft in our arsenal that can pull away from a F-16 however...I doubt F-16's would be chasing one of them.

Odd story....but until a small green man walks up to my front door and rings the doorbell...my first reaction to anything isnt going to be "It must be a UFO".

42 posted on 07/27/2002 3:16:04 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: El Gato
F-104


F-4


43 posted on 07/27/2002 3:16:57 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: maquiladora
Could be just an experimental plane being tested without the knowledge of Andrews.

Yeah, great test. "Hey Major let's see if we can make the President crap his pants this weekend." That would be cool.eheehee..eh..heeheehehehe.

44 posted on 07/27/2002 3:17:25 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: auggy
stories?
45 posted on 07/27/2002 3:18:17 PM PDT by the crow
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To: tomkat
Could have been some sort of ballistic, dare I say, missile??
46 posted on 07/27/2002 3:19:40 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: maquiladora
>>F-14 : 1,564mph at level flight.
F-16 : 1,320mph at level flight<<

Like I said, "old engines," and with the new 229's, we win.
When it comes to numbers, they don't tell the story, and are usually put out by the manufactuer, not the services. Talk to the pilots, they know. That said, maybe I was hallucinating when at Maple Flag in my F-15E I was able to run away from the F-14's trying to chase me down and continue my low-level bombing mission . . . possibly because I was at 200' and they don't perform that well at such a low altitude. (I won't mention how many kills I got against the F-14's. . .don't want to embarass anyone. . .

The 229 engines on the F-15E are star performers, and the 229's can beat the stuffing outta any other jet/engine out there.

Reality check, okay, to the bar, I'm gonna challenge everyone to a game of combat crud, winner gets bragging rights. . .and then tomorrow, first one to the end of the runway is lead and we will meet in the MOA, you take the south side and I'll take the north, I got evens you got odds, deck is the surface and max is whatever you can get, BVR with two forms of EID, heaters take two shots and by the way, we will brief on Guard---let 'er rip!

:-)

Ahh. . .the old days. . . .


47 posted on 07/27/2002 3:20:01 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: kinghorse; Scully
Relieved the see Mulder weigh in.

Let's see if Scully is around.... ;-)

48 posted on 07/27/2002 3:24:20 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: kinghorse
*Shrugs*

A high-altitude hypersonic plane could be heading out to the seaboard, develop some fault and be forced to reduce altitude and airspeed unexpectedly, perhaps in the Washington region. But......

Guess it must be aliens then eh.

49 posted on 07/27/2002 3:24:23 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Gunrunner2
One wonders exactly what "faded from the radar screen" means. Did it land? Did it turn on some stealth technology that someone besides the US Air Force is using? Or did it simply leave at mach 10? This is a very curious story. There must be other witnesses if there actually was an attempted intercept ... even at 1am ... and if there are other witnesses who come forward and are publicized, then the story could get very interesting indeed.
50 posted on 07/27/2002 3:24:32 PM PDT by Check6
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