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Conservatives on the verge of controlling Illinois GOP
The Illinois Leader ^ | July 28, 2002 | BillyBoy

Posted on 07/28/2002 11:25:53 AM PDT by BillyBoy

Sorry for the vanity, folks, but there doesn't seem to be any newspaper articles about this important development, so I thought it deserved it's own post:

First a little background info. For those of you who don't know, the Illinois GOP has basically been controlled by a moderate "country club" establishment for at least 30 years. Back in the 70s, the party "leadership" lined behind Gerald Ford for President over Illinois' native son, Ronald Reagan. In the 80s, they nominated and won with a "Republican" Senator who was so liberal than the state's moderate Democrat Senator, Alan Dixon, actually ranked slightly MORE consevative than him in the ACU ratings. But there's been a power struggle for control of the state GOP for most of 2002. Observe excerts in this piece from the Illinois Leader just 10 days ago:


The liberal wing of the Illinois Republican Party likes to blame the conservative wing when things don’t go right. If a liberal Republican loses, it’s the fault of conservatives who stayed home or didn’t get involved. If a conservative loses, it’s the fault of conservatives who put up a candidate “too extreme” on the issues.
The meltdown of the Illinois GOP is squarely on the back of the non-ideologues and it is they who have shown no interest in party unity. It began with George Ryan’s praise for Fidel Castro and Paul Vallas and harsh words for all three Republican gubernatorial candidates in the primary. It proceeded with Lee Daniels ascension to Chairman of the State Republican Party. It continues with the recent actions of Congressman Mark Kirk...and former Governor Jim Thompson.
Rep. Kirk blocked O’Connell [from appointment] for her failure to support him in the 10th Congressional race in 2000.
Add to this, former Governor Jim Thompson’s attendance, this past Wednesday night, at a fundraiser hosted by the law firm of Winston & Strawn for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Rod Blagojevich. Thompson is the Chairman of the Board of Winston & Strawn. Isn’t that cozy? This comes amid reports that Jim Ryan is badly trailing Blagojevich in fundraising (not to mention in the polls). With GOP friends like Thompson, Jim Ryan need hardly worry about the Democrats.
The actions of the current leaders of the Illinois Republican Party are all the more curious given the GOP’s general state of disgrace thanks to George Ryan, et al. It’s a different face on the same old way of doing business and conservatives continue to be treated as a nuisance to the powers-that-be. When that changes, the GOP can begin a true rebuilding.
-- from http://www.illinoisleader.com/opinion/opinionview.asp?c=1366

That was then. Since the April 2002 Primary, the forces within the party have remained fractured and engaged in a three-way ideological bloodbath (between the unabashedly liberal RINO wing, the "finger to the wind" moderate wing, and the principled conservative wing). They were still fighting to a standstill.

Two days ago, conservatives finally got the upperhand.

The Chairmanship of the Illinois Republican Party has been up for grabs for almost a month. Lee Daniels, the moderate minority leader of the Illinois House (he lost four out of five elections under a REPUBLICAN drawn map) had been appointed chairman in 2001 thanks to lots of seniority and people owning him favors-- big time. Daniels served 7 monthes. He ended under a "cloud of investigation" for state employees as election workers on state time. The party nominee for Governor, Jim Ryan, knew he must get Daniels to resign.

The expected guy to fill the vacany was former Governor Jim Edgar, a "fiscally consevative, socially liberal" very popular leader. He wanted to take the job but had other committments. Then the party leaders asked the CEO of Quakers Oats to take the job. He didn't want to quit his day job. Then they asked Congressman Ray LaHood, the moderate-conservative rep. from Peoria who presided over the Clinton impeachment. He said no. The GOP had to settle on an intermin chairman, Dallas Ingermon. They would reconvine in three weeks to pick a new chairman. The front runner in the next two weeks appeared to be buisnessman Greg Baise, a solidly "pro-choice" Republican who had backed RINO Corinne Wood for Governor in the primary. Conservatives would not stomach Baise. Finally, Senator Fitzgerald did some arm twisting and insisted on a hard core conservative. Under pressure and desperation, the Illinois GOP leaders relented-- and our new chairman-- Gary MacDougal-- turns out to be the very person the grassroots conservative activists had urged to run for office and defeat the moderate establishment a year. From the Chicago Sun-Times, July 26th:

The new chairman of the Illinois Republican Party warned Friday of a "nuclear winter" for businesses if Democrats sweep the Legislature and win the governor's race in November. Gary MacDougal, a conservative businessman who helped rewrite the state's welfare laws, accepted the party chairmanship after several marquee Republicans turned down the post. The party's state central committee unanimously approved his appointment Friday. "Facing this job is a daunting thing," MacDougal said. "I've climbed the Matterhorn. I've climbed the Grand Teton. Those seem like molehills compared to some of the challenges we have up ahead." MacDougal conceded that Democrats, who drew the state's new legislative map, appear poised to win control of the House and Senate this year. If they do and Democratic U.S. Rep. Rod Blagojevich beats GOP Attorney General Jim Ryan in the governor's race, it would spell disaster for businesses, he said.
"I believe that Jim Ryan's opponent is owned and operated by the union bureaucrats ... and the trial lawyers," MacDougal said.... Weinberg [said] MacDougal's conservative views are out of touch with mainstream voters. "We have to have a little sympathy for Gary MacDougal," Weinberg said. "Certainly being appointed chairman of the Illinois Republican Party in July of 2002 is like being named captain of the Titanic after it already was taking on water." Republicans have struggled to distance their ticket from political scandals involving top party officials. House Republican Leader Lee Daniels stepped down as party chairman earlier this month amid allegations members of his House staff campaigned on state time during the 2000 elections. Daniels has said he was unaware of any wrongdoing. Federal prosecutors also are continuing their investigation into the trading of drivers licenses for bribes when Gov. George Ryan, a Republican, oversaw driver's license bureaus as secretary of state. MacDougal said he shares Jim Ryan's position that the [[RINO] governor should either resign or fully explain his role in the license scheme. But MacDougal also declared his party is not alone in scandal. Federal prosecutors have been asked to look into allegations the staff of Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan — the state party chairman — campaigned on state time and received improper bonuses. "I believe that the sleaze is bipartisan sleaze" MacDougal said. He called on Blagojevich to demand that Madigan resign as party chairman. "There were dark clouds around the chairman of the Republican Party, and Jim Ryan stepped up and took action and changes were made," MacDougal said. "As we speak, there are very comparable clouds around the chairman of the Democratic Party." Weinberg said Blagojevich is not considering asking Madigan to step down. "There are tremendous distinctions between what Lee Daniels is alleged to have done and the stories about Speaker Madigan," Weinberg said. "You cannot equate the two cases." Cook County Republican chairwoman Maureen Murphy of Evergreen Park, who sits on the committee that approved MacDougal, described the Democratic ballot as an "All My Children" ticket. Blagojevich, attorney general candidate Lisa Madigan, Comptroller Dan Hynes and treasurer candidate Tom Dart all have parents or close family members involved in Chicago politics.
"The pitch that these are 'fresh faces' is (erroneous)," Murphy said. Jim Ryan said MacDougal is committed to expanding the base of the party. "I would describe Gary as a fiscal conservative with a very strong social conscience," he said

Naturally, a mere change in the head of the state party from a wimpy moderate to a fiery conservative doesn't mean a conservative "take over" of the party, but due to the "meltdown" of many of the establishment leaders, reformist conservatives have slowly begun taking over many of the key positions within the party in the past few monthes. Observe:



TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: conservatives; election2002; illinoisgop; macdougal; murphy; partystructure; philips
NEW PARTY CHAIRMAN BIOGRAPHY

Gary MacDougal is a wealthy businessman with an impressive resume. MacDougal has been a partner at the international consulting firm McKinsey and Company and was former chief executive officer of Mark Controls Corporation. He is on the board of directors of United Parcel Service.

MacDougal served on non-profit groups such as Russell Sage Foundation, and now with Annie E. Casey Foundation and the Bulgarian American Enterprise Fund.

After receiving his bachelor’s degree in engineering from the University of California at Los Angeles in 1958, MacDougal spent three years as a U.S. Navy officer. He then received a MBA degree at Harvard Business School.

MacDougal has been married to Charlene Gehm for ten years. Gehm is a former leading ballerina who danced for 13 years with the Joffrey Ballet.

After selling his business in 1988, MacDougal worked on George Bush, Sr.’s Presidential bid. MacDougal wanted President Bush to appoint him Secretary of Health and Human Services, but was told by campaign aide George W. Bush that MacDougal had a “pigmentation problem” – meaning they needed a more diverse cabinet. Then McDougal bowed out when Lynn Martin decided she would challenge Carol Moseley-Braun in 1992. Moseley Braun became U.S. Senator that year.

When Jim Edgar became Governor, MacDougal challenged the Governor to revamp the human services infrastructure in his state. In 1993, MacDougal was appointed chairman of the Governor’s Task Force on Human Services Reform. He held that position for four years.

After his experience, MacDougal authored the book, Make a Difference: How One Man Helped Solve America’s Poverty Problem.

MacDougal was instrumental in the reconstruction of the welfare system in Illinois. He pushed Illinois politicians to adopt a “one-stop shopping” consolidation of state human-services programs, so that clients would have easier access to the various government services available.

The February 2, 2001 Capital Research.org publication stated, “This approach [of one-stop shopping] has been credited with helping Illinois reduce welfare rolls by nearly 60 percent in the past four years, exceeding federal requirements under the new welfare-to-work policy.”

MacDougal addressed conservatives last year at the 2001 Conservative Conference. While addressing the conference attendees, MacDougal proposed a contract similar to the Gingrich “Contract with America,” voiced his support of George W. Bush’s “faith-based initiatives” and spoke against extending special rights to special groups.

The MacDougal name is receiving positive response from conservatives. Jack Roeser and Joe Wiegand wrote in the Family Taxpayer Network’s March 2001 newsletter, The Champion, these words of acclamation, “Without his knowledge or involvement, we picked Gary MacDougal as an example of the kind of leader we think we need [in Illinois].”

Joe Wiegand told the Illinois Leader, "We believe that Gary McDougal would be a tremendous choice for the Illinois Republican State Committee Chair."

1 posted on 07/28/2002 11:25:53 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: Dan from Michigan
BUMP. Looks like we won here! We only have a skeleton majority here, but if we can retain these guys after November, it's ours
2 posted on 07/28/2002 11:26:50 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: BillyBoy
Where is the barf alert.

Fitzgerald is a Rino in the mould of the NE pubies.

The current crop of pubbies in Illinois remind me of the Whigs in the 1850's.

With the BJ set to womp ryans butt, citizens of illinois better hunker down get ready to shell out 500 for and foid and have their tax rate go up to what maine's is, without the benifit of Maine's winters and summers.

3 posted on 07/28/2002 11:46:13 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: BillyBoy
Once again Jack Roeser is the Kiss of Death for the Republican Party of Illinois, no?
4 posted on 07/28/2002 11:49:46 AM PDT by Hibernius Druid
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To: BillyBoy
Good luck. It's going to be an interesting year here. 2/3 of the legislature is going down to term limits, and the primary is coming up in about a week.
5 posted on 07/28/2002 11:51:33 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
Will term limits help or hinder conservatives?
6 posted on 07/28/2002 11:54:46 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses
At first it helped, now it will hurt THIS time.
7 posted on 07/28/2002 11:59:05 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: BillyBoy
In 17 days' time, I leave Illinois for Texas, and not a moment too soon. A pox on all the libs and RINOs who have turned what should be a solid, conservative Midwest state into a Daley-dominated cesspit.
8 posted on 07/28/2002 12:05:38 PM PDT by Own Drummer
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To: Dan from Michigan
What will it do in the long run, in your opinion?
9 posted on 07/28/2002 12:06:19 PM PDT by narses
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To: BillyBoy
I wish someone would publicly out the liberal Democrat King George. I know some here were surprised at how much of a left-winger he has been as Governor, but I'm not sure why--he campaigned well to the left of his Democratic opponent in 1998, and he has simply stayed true to how he ran.
10 posted on 07/28/2002 12:08:58 PM PDT by supercat
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To: narses
Mixed results. Tough for conservatives if rich liberals run(name recognition) although that can help conservatives if they have money as well.

If Farm groups, Business, gun groups and Right to Life all unite, it's usually a win. Name recognition is the problem though.

11 posted on 07/28/2002 12:11:48 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: dts32041
>> Where is the barf alert. Fitzgerald is a Rino in the mould of the NE pubies. <<

Oh, silly me. Yeah, just look at how simular their voting records are:

Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Lifetime Conservative rating 51%
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), Lifetime Conservative rating 56%
Sen. Jim Jeffords (I-VT), Lifetime Conservative rating 27%
Rep. Nancy Johnson (R-CT) Lifetime Conservative rating 44%
Rep. Christopher Shays (R-CT) Lifetime Conservative rating 44%
Rep. Robert Simmons (R-CT) Lifetime Conservative rating, 44%
Sen. Lincoln Chaffee (R-RI) Lifetime Conservative rating, 28%
Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) Lifetime Conservative rating 88%

Enjoying your silly fantasy? Maybe you could explain to me why all the pro-abortion, tax-loving, gay-marriage adovocating Republicans were ranting and raving when Fitzgerald beat their annointed one in the primary. Hmmm.

12 posted on 07/28/2002 3:31:58 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: 1rudeboy; A.J.Armitage; aruanan; Barnacle; BillyBoy; celeste_aida; cfrels; chicagolady; ...
Bill,

Thanks for the great post! I wouldn't have expected anything less.

Heads up Chicagoland!

14 posted on 07/28/2002 6:32:49 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: dts32041
Fitzgerald is a Rino

Fitz supported the Bush position on CFR, Farm Bill, etc. Fitz has worked against many government handouts that Trent Lott pushed thru and Bush signed. Fitz is tight with money. He is pro-life.

In Illinois the issue is corruption in both parties. In both Springfield and Washington Fitz fights the pork that finances corruption. He leads the fight against a shady deal between the crooked Democrat mayor and the crooked ex-Republican governor. (I refuse to recognize him as even a RINO.)

Despite being hated by the establishment who benefit from corruption and pork, Fitz has leverage because in their private polling he is the most popular Republican in Illinois. Second most popular is Judy Barr-Topinka, State Treasurer. The only thing they have in common is honesty and fighting corruption in the party (eg Bill Cellini).

The Republican candidate for governor trails badly. He is not a bad man...just "shy". If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare for battle?

15 posted on 07/28/2002 8:16:31 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Hibernius Druid
Once again Jack Roeser is the Kiss of Death

Beating Al Salvi was the only time Jack Roeser was the kiss of death to a Republican in November. And many pro-life and 2d amendment groups and individuals will claim that it was them and not Jack who beat Salvi. In my opinion Salvi beat himself.

16 posted on 07/28/2002 8:20:46 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
You mean he help pass the CFR and the FArm Bill.

That is enough for me, I mean anybody that helped get those two pieces of important legislation, thru, can't be able bad. //sarcasm off.

17 posted on 07/28/2002 8:23:46 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: William Creel
Fitz does not think by himself. It is rumored he thinks with his wife Nina. They met when she worked for a Conservative think tank and he was staff to Congressman Phil Crane.
18 posted on 07/28/2002 8:25:41 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: William Creel
A couple minor clarifications for history, if I may.

That the establishment backed incumbent Ford in '76 is no big deal. Thompson was running to recover the governorship that Ogilvie lost by giving us the income tax and needed "unity". 1980 is a better case. All Party officials supported Conally because Conally spent millions hiring their whiz kids as campaign staff. Except John Anderson supported himself. And Schaumburg Township Committeeman Don Totten ran Reagan's campaign on volunteers and no money which again proves money does not buy elections. Even though Totten was the closest Illinois man to Reagan in the 80's, Totten was never accepted by the establishment. They wanted his ability to organize volunteers, but not his advice to cut patronage, spending and taxes.

In '92 Bob Michel, Peoria's Republican House minority leader (who told Newt pubs couldn't win the House) was close friend of Democrat Senator Al the Pal Dixon. They cooperated on pork and corruption for each other. Bob Michel convinced the Republican establishment that they should purposely take a dive for US Senate and let Al the Pal win. For that reason, the establishment scared off both honest RINO Lynn Martin and Conservative McDougal and ran Larry Williamson, who didn't have a clue what to do in politics and proved it by getting the consolation prize of State Chairman which he totally botched. Of course the March 92 primary occurred at the point when Ross Perot and term limits were at their peak. Talk radio and the term limits people were outraged that the Republicans would take a dive for Al the Pal. Republicans and Independents voted en masse in the Democrat primary to term limit Al the Pal. The left clueless Williamson facing Braun in November. (Hey Dan, Illinois has its own term limits, sometimes.)

Crook county Township committeemen are not appointed , but elected (in the primary by anyone who claims to be Republican). Reappointment is the wrong implication. In 4 adjacent townships it was throw the corrupt party officials out. The split was not so much a 3 way ideological split as a split over corruption. RINO Corrine Wood felt the rich country club set were superior and more ethical than us mere mortals. Conservative Pat O'Malley thought reform lay with the ideological base who were not in the party for the money. By default, Jim Ryan won with a coalition of the establishment who wanted to protect their pork, and cautious conservatives who were told to not change horses in this time of crisis for the party.

A good example of this is Gary Skoien, a moderate who ran and won for Palatine Committeeman with the support of the Pat O'Malley conservatives because he opposed corruption.

The County and State Chairs are not appointed. They are elected by party officials elected by the people, similar to the electoral college system. For Crook County Chair, there were 4 candidates: the George Ryan corrupt one; the country club set is superior one; Pro-life, low-tax Conservative Maureen Murphy and Paul Froehlich on her right. (It was the Froehlich influence that caused the turnover of 4 townships adjacent to his Schaumburg township.)

State Chair was similar. Trial balloons were sent up. Conservatives on the State Central Committee, especially experienced Steve McGlynn and new ones like Marilyn Froehlich, shot down a lot of trial balloons. Candidates gave excuses for not taking the job when the truth was, they didn't have the votes. (Edgar was the exception. Everyone agreed he was the best for November. But he was not the best to build the party for the future.)

When Larry Williamson resigned his consolation prize as State Chair last year, McDougal was suggested as a person who could pull the party factions together and knew how to build the party. He was strongly opposed by the crooks and cronies who put in Lee Daniels. The same incumbent State Central Committeemen who went for Daniels last year admitted that the McDougal people were right about Daniels. His corruption is not some new revelation. It has been known among Republicans for years. And for years they have been saying "Someday it's going to catch up with him."

BTW Conservative McDougal is a good friend of Jim Ryan, Jack Roeser and Jim Edgar and many from all ideological factions, but not a friend of the pork and corruption wing. The Republicans in it for the money want Departments like Public Aid to be the source of money for consultant contracts that are a form of welfare themselves. McDougal took Welfare to Work seriously and really believed that work is better for a persons dignity than welfare. That was an insult to the Republican consultants who wanted their own form of welfare.

ps Pork comes from the HOG.

19 posted on 07/28/2002 9:42:18 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
You forgot to include when Mark Kirk joined the military: receiving a direct appointment into the naval reserve with no real training prior to appointment. He joined well after most men his age and only when it appeared military service could be useful as a potential candidate. Mark was and is a Grade A Pansy.
20 posted on 07/29/2002 4:11:46 AM PDT by Norwell
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To: spintreebob
In Illinois the issue is corruption in both parties. In both Springfield and Washington Fitz fights the pork that finances corruption. He leads the fight against a shady deal between the crooked Democrat mayor and the crooked ex-Republican governor. (I refuse to recognize him as even a RINO.)

Peter has also pushed for the appointment of tough, new, independent federal prosecutors for 3 Illinois jurisdictions. The establishment (on both sides of the aisle) is already running scared. These appointments alone are enough to win my support. Peter is nobody's patsy. He may be quirky, but he is no RINO -- Peter is Peter.

21 posted on 07/29/2002 6:07:37 AM PDT by TheRightGuy
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To: BillyBoy
Conservatives on the verge?? Hmmm...um, why do I not find comfort in this?
22 posted on 07/29/2002 6:10:07 AM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: Norwell
Mark Kirk?

Why bring up the irrelevant and unimportant?

23 posted on 07/29/2002 8:02:52 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
Good observation. I wish MacDougal well. He's a good person, from I've observed in my few encounters with him.
24 posted on 07/29/2002 8:41:23 AM PDT by Hibernius Druid
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To: dts32041
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25 posted on 07/29/2002 9:12:44 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: Norwell
>> You forgot to include when Mark Kirk joined the military: receiving a direct appointment into the naval reserve with no real training prior to appointment. He joined well after most men his age and only when it appeared military service could be useful as a potential candidate. Mark was and is a Grade A Pansy. <<

Kirk is a good example of a liberal Republican who comes from a part of the state that is still controlled by a RINO bastion (Illinois' 10th district). He's the LONE Illinois "Republican" in congress with an American Conservative Union rating under 50% (Kirk scored a whooping 48%) That means he really does fit the New England-RINO mold that some try to falsely pin on Fitzgerald. And Kirk's voting record is so pathetic that it's actually MORE liberal than two moderate Democrat congressmen from Illinois-- Lipinksi (3rd) and Phelps (19th). Kirk apparently votes with the 'RATs over his OWN party a majority of time.

The problem I have with little Mark Kirk is that his "beliefs" seem to be driven by the latest polls in his district. See if you can find him supporting a conservative position that isn't strongly backed by the voters in Illinois. Spineless is incapable of taking a position on anything "contraversal". Also problematic is that he runs on the "Republican" ticket because he knows it helps him get elected, but he has no interest in going to bat for the party at all. Kirk insists he's an "independant", so maybe he should put up or shut up by running as such. Oh geeesh...that might risky for his career. Poor Mark.

Kirk and his organization cannot be defeated in the primary. Since Kirk basically "inherited" the job from former Congressman John Porter (another RINO), he has an army of patronage workers. The RINOs will insist one of their own is the only one who "can win" in the 10th district, but this theory has never been tested since they haven't run a conservative there in 30 years. Personally, I think it has a small but devout conservative voting block, given how the district is next to the ultra-conservative 8th district and keeps nominating RINOs by a small plurality.

The only way I see a conservative takeover of that district is if conservatives run a candidate against Kirk in the GENERAL election and empathize Kirk's liberal views so that he and the Democrat SPLIT the liberal vote. His views on abortion alone are so liberal than they are further left than ALL the other IL Republicans in Congress (even the pro-choice ones!) AND they are to the left of THREE IL Democrats (including liberal Jerry Costello!)

There are some risks because a 3-way race could help a Democrat win, but Kirk's 2000 victory and sizeable leads in the current race make me believe that district has gone from tossup to being brainwashed by Kirk devotees. Conservatives always vote for Kirk in the general because they have no other choice. As long as we can give them an honest, qualifed, dynamic alternative and let Kirk and a Democrat candidate try to outliberal each other for the left-wing constituency, we can theoretically win the district.

26 posted on 07/29/2002 10:00:00 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: BillyBoy
What great news. Remember, this was the home to Lincoln, and has a heritage to maintain!
27 posted on 07/29/2002 10:02:13 AM PDT by LS
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To: MoJo2001
If the GOP gets their butts kicked this November, the old country-club guard will blame the newly-minted conservative leaders in the party (even though the current damage killing the party was caused by their heros George Ryan and Lee Daniels) Thus, we will need some isolated conservative victories in November to prevent the Judy Baar Topinka types saying "we're the only ones left standing! Republicans need to be MORE liberal! We warned you!"

Sometimes the selection of moderates in the primary was not due to the GOP establishment rigging it, but conservatives not working hard enough to get involved. Take the 5th district GOP primary-- NO ONE paid attention to it, the media or the voters. Mark Augusti, a middle-of-the-road Republican, spent the most money and edged out conservative William Hurley for the nomination, 41% to 40%. That's right, a 1% margin of victory. Hurley had been former congressman's Michael Patrick Flangan's Chief of Staff-- he was obviously the better choice but the "default" Republican won by marginally spend a tad more money to get his name out to the Republican voters. No one bothered to check what he stood for.

Many freepers will just say "oh well, we can nominate Hurley next time in 2004". True, but 2002 is the only chance we had to run a conservative in an OPEN race for the 5th district. Next time, Rahn Emanual is likely to be the incubamt. So 2002 gave us a very slim chance of winning the general election in the 5th district....2004 gives us virtually no chance.

As it stands, MOST of the congressional slate this year is conservative candidates. As I indictated, we have a skeleton majority in the party positions now. Let's hope it lasts.

U.S. CONGRESSIONAL NOMINEES

Ray Wardingley, 1st District (Conservative)
Doug Nelson, 2nd District (Conservative)
Tony Lopez-Cisenros, 4th District (Conservative)

Mark A. Augusti, 5th District (Centrist)
Henry Hyde, 6th District (Conservative) Incumbant
Mark Tunney, 7th District (Moderate)
Phil Crane, 8th District (Conservative) Incumbant
Nicholas Duric, 9th District (???)
Mark Kirk, 10th District (RINO) Incumbant
Jerry Weller, 11th District (Conservative) Incumbant
David Sadler, 12th District (Conservative)

Judy Biggert, 13th District (Moderate) Incumbant
Speaker Dennis Hastert, 14 District (Consevative) Incumbant
Tim Johnson, 15th District (Conservative) Incumbant
Don Manzullo, 16th District (Consevative) Incumbant
Peter "Pete" Calderone, 17th District (Conservative)
Ray LaHood, 18th District (Moderate-Consevative)Incumbant
John Shimkus, 19th District (Consevative) Incumbant

28 posted on 07/29/2002 10:18:33 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: BillyBoy
Thanks BB very interesting.
29 posted on 07/29/2002 11:31:08 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: dts32041
Whatever Fitzgerald is he is not a RINO.
30 posted on 07/29/2002 11:32:55 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: BillyBoy; dixie sass; Memother; chesty_puller; Japedo; madfly; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; JohnHuang2; ...
BUMPS
31 posted on 07/29/2002 11:37:11 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Hi, thank you so much. I was born and raised in Illinois, so I am always interested. Thank you again my friend.
32 posted on 07/29/2002 2:13:49 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: RedWing9; BillyBoy
Bump and a bookmark - I'm too tired to digest all this. Looks good, though, BillyBoy, on first read.
33 posted on 07/30/2002 12:02:06 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: BillyBoy
THE LIBERTARIANS ARE RUNNING A CANDIDATE IN THE 8TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, CHUCK KELECIC. BUT LIKE MOST LIBERTARIANS RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN ILLINOIS HE IS BEING CHALLENGED.

IF HE SURVIVES VOTE FOR HIM, NOT MARK KIRK WHO INFLUENCED COOK CO. CHAIRMAN MAUREEN MURPHY NOT TO NOMINATE CONSERVATIVE CHAIRMAN OF WHEELING TWP. BUT SOMEONE A LITTLE MORE TO HIS LIKING IN WHEELING
34 posted on 07/30/2002 9:32:45 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
>> THE LIBERTARIANS ARE RUNNING A CANDIDATE IN THE 8TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, CHUCK KELECIC. BUT LIKE MOST LIBERTARIANS RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN ILLINOIS HE IS BEING CHALLENGED. IF HE SURVIVES VOTE FOR HIM, NOT MARK KIRK <<

For a supposed lifelong "Republican" who supported O'Malley, you sure seem obsessed with promoting EVERY candidate with a (LP) designation next to their name on the ballot. You don't even bother to see if they support conservative issues. Hmmm...

I live in the 1st congressional district and I am supporting conservative REPUBLICAN Ray Wardingley over the LP candidate (who doesn't even bother to campaign or tell people where she stands!) , although if I lived in Mark Kirk's district he would NOT get my vote.

Unfortunately, Kirk's district is a TWO-way race between him a Democrat clone. The 8th district is home to Congressman Phil Crane, the MOST conservative Republican in the entire Illinois delegation (he scored a perfect 100% from the American Conservative Union for the last FOUR years). Crane has my support, and the support of just about every Republican here for that matter.

So the LPI is putting up opposition against Crane but didn't bother recruiting anyone against Kirk in the 10th district. Since they draw most of their fiscally conservative voters from disgrunted Republicans, it would have been much wiser to leave Crane alone and go after the RINO. Oh well, that's LP logic for you.

35 posted on 07/30/2002 10:23:21 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: BillyBoy
Bump for great freeping.
36 posted on 07/30/2002 10:38:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: BOBTHENAILER
BTTT. Please pass this along, cuz.
37 posted on 07/31/2002 8:01:15 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: BillyBoy
I hate RINOs Look at NJ. Schundler trounced franks in the primary, but the RINOs actively worked to defeat him. (Schundler didn't help with his poorly run campaign and waffling on the gun issue).
38 posted on 07/31/2002 8:39:37 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: spintreebob
Fitz has leverage because in their private polling he is the most popular Republican in Illinois

With everybody except those who know him best -- his former colleagues in the Illinois State Senate .

He stands as much chance of getting re-elected in 2006 as Carol Mostly-Fraud.

39 posted on 08/04/2002 4:12:45 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: justshutupandtakeit; dts32041
Whatever Fitzgerald is he is not a RINO.

You're right.

He's more of a self-absorbed jerk with delusions of grandeur. He and his daddy (the banker -- why not ask where his money came from) just know that Petey will be The Prez some day.

dts, you sound as though you know Petey personally. I know him from his days in the State Senate. How 'bout you?

40 posted on 08/04/2002 4:23:20 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: reformed_democrat; BillyBoy; cfrels; RedWing9; TheRightGuy
All the State Senators near here love Fitz; maybe because their most loyal volunteers and swing voters love Fitz. That is not to say that anyone agrees with Fitz on every issue. It is not to say that Fitz has that Clintonesque ability to feel your pain.

It should also be noted that I said Fitz was the most popular Republican. That might be a reflection on other statewide Republicans as much as on Fitz.

I just returned from the NW Suburban Republican picnic. Jim Ryan's staff got quite a few people to put on Jim Ryan shirts. But a lot of people also said "No thanks" to his button or shirt. (Nobody that I know of refused one for Topinka, Birkett or Cohn.)

Jim Ryan's staff told people that Jim Ryan would arrive and speak at 3 pm. They waited and waited. He did not show up until the day's final event, the raffle, and after most people had left. Jim Ryan gave a stock speach. There was polite applause from some. Many people who were convinced to wear a Jim Ryan shirt (and whose hands were free and not holding a drink or corn) did not applaud, not even politely.

Jim Ryan (or his wife, or somebody) should have been there all afternoon shaking hands and trying to line up support. He has no where to go but up. So he need not be too cautious. If he doesn't try to get this Republican vote, where will he? If he doesn't try to help himself, why should us volunteers?

That the LP petition challenge was dropped immediately after McDougal became Chair is a good sign that some intelligence does exist. The glass is half full and half empty. 2003, 2004 actually look good. But a lot smarter race needs to be run for 2002.

PS, I'm listening to Tom Roeser while I type this. Reports from the picnic are interesting.

41 posted on 08/04/2002 6:57:37 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: reformed_democrat
Never met the politician, but after living in Maine for the past ten years and meeting real Rino's, Petey as you call him reminds me of the snowe's, collins', cohen's, et al.

Don't start me on Ryan II, another weak kneed RINO.

Of Course, the worse thing that could happen to Hizzoner is a Democrt in the state house.

He would no longer be the Number 1 demo in the state.

42 posted on 08/04/2002 7:20:31 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: spintreebob; BillyBoy; cfrels; RedWing9
Jim Ryan (or his wife, or somebody) should have been there all afternoon shaking hands and trying to line up support. He has no where to go but up. So he need not be too cautious. If he doesn't try to get this Republican vote, where will he? If he doesn't try to help himself, why should us volunteers?

His speech was indeed lackluster. He shows no fire in the belly and seems to be totally clueless as to what it will take to win this election. I'm about ready to just hit fast the forward button, and skip to December in order to avoid the carnage of the next few months.

43 posted on 08/05/2002 5:35:46 AM PDT by TheRightGuy
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To: dts32041
>> but after living in Maine for the past ten years and meeting real Rino's, Petey as you call him reminds me of the snowe's, collins', cohen's, et al. <<

Hmmm... I see you are unable to understand voting records too. What part of 90% conservative rating don't you get?

Let me spell it out for you in simple language.

Your RINOs in Maine are 100% pro-abortion. Check the primary results in Illinois and let me know how our pro-abort Republicans did in primaries where they had real competition. Just because YOUR state's "Republican voters" want liberals, it doesn't mean Illinois Republicans think that way.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported the federal airline bailout doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported Clinton during Monicagate, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported the marrriage and death taxes, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators opposed across-the-board tax cuts, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported massive new funding for the NEA, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators oppposed Missile Defense System Testing, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported federal "Hate Crimes" laws, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported Carol Moseley-Braun for "ambassador" to New Zealand, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators want to force the boy scouts to hire openly homosexual scoutmasters, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators supported the Jeffords Dairy Cartel, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators opposed the Hatch amendment that forced union goons to provide detailed disclosure of funds spent on political activities, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

Just because YOUR "Republican" Senators want to do away with the electoral college,, it doesn't mean Fitzgerald did.

And so on with hundreds of more votes.

I, of course, understand your frustration with your "Republican" Senators. I'd be upset with my Senator, too, if he voted with the Democrats half the time. Of course he doesn't. Maybe you want to drag Illinois down to your level and PRETEND he does because it makes things sound better. Unfortuntely for you, those gosh darn facts shows that Fitzgerald wouldn't be caught dead voting for half the stuff your girls vote for.

Oddly enough, there WAS an Olympia Snowe-clone in Illinois primary. Her name was Loleta Dickerson and she ran in the Republican primary a couple years back. She was handily defeated by NONE OTHER than U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald! Maybe you have their names confused. You see, all the Illinois Republicans who support the types of things that Snowe supporters were OUTRAGED when Fitzgerald won. They insisted the only Republicans who "could win" were liberals. Remember "No one as ANTI-CHOICE and INTOLERANT as Fitzgerald will win in Illinois?" I sure do.

Well, sorry about Loleta. I figure the Republicans in Maine will take her (and please, feel free to have her since you can't tell the difference between her and Fitz! ROTFL!) ...but here in Illinois, we only let real Republicans get the nomination for the U.S. Senate.

44 posted on 08/05/2002 7:15:44 AM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: reformed_democrat
Aren't all politicians self-absorbed jerks with delusions of grandeur? While your characterization maybe correct he is not a RINO.

I never met the man.
45 posted on 08/05/2002 1:07:56 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: BillyBoy
Billy,
Check your meds. They may be getting the beter of you.
46 posted on 08/05/2002 7:16:55 PM PDT by TheRightGuy
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To: dts32041
Of Course, the worse thing that could happen to Hizzoner is a Democrt in the state house.
He would no longer be the Number 1 demo in the state.

An astute observation! I predict that a "situation" will occur that will cause Daley to drop his support for HotRod.

47 posted on 08/05/2002 7:23:19 PM PDT by TheRightGuy
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