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Posted on 07/29/2002 5:06:57 AM PDT by AmericanCompatriot
CONSERVATIVE TRUTH - 07/28/02
"PASTOR ARRESTED FOR PREACHING"
By Tom Barrett, Editor@ConservativeTruth.org
"NEW YORK CITY: The Rev. Joseph Jenkins was arrested today as he preached to his congregation of 500. As he said, The Bible says it is a sin for a man to lie with a man! four federal undercover agents rose from their seats in the crowded church and handcuffed the pastor.
He was later charged before a US Magistrate under the federal Hate Crimes law.
"Far-fetched! Impossible! That will never happen! Not at all. There are forces at work in this nation to deny every citizen the right to say, publicly or privately, what they know or believe to be true if it does not fit within politically correct guidelines. Ministers or rabbis who proclaim the clear teachings of the Bible regarding homosexuality will be jailed if these forces have their way. Anyone who expresses an unpopular ideology will be persecuted.
Recently one of our readers sent me a short note. All it said was, "Tom, you are a Watchman on the Wall. Of course he was referring to the fact that in ancient Israel many cities had walls around them to protect the inhabitants from enemies. Since most attacks could be expected to come at night, when the citizens were asleep and unprepared, watchmen were appointed to stand on the city walls and warn the populace of danger so that they could prepare to defend themselves.
If I am indeed a "Watchman on the Wall, I can think of few dangers more grave about which I can warn America than the so-called "Hate Crimes legislation that is springing up everywhere. The idea behind these laws is that we can look into peoples hearts and determine what they were thinking when they committed a crime. That is a dangerous notion.
Years ago novels were written about government "Thought Police controlling what citizens were and were not allowed to believe and think. "Hate Crimes laws will make such an improbable concept very probable if America does not heed the warnings of the serious danger of this kind of legislation.
Any clear-thinking American can see that these laws are unconstitutional, immoral, and just plain stupid. Then why are politicians falling over each other to endorse "Hate Crimes laws? A clue can be found in the article, "The Hate Crime Express. (See the RESOURCES Section below.)
This article states, "Texas Gov. Rick Perry didn't really want a hate-crimes bill to land on his desk. But when it did, he signed it inside of three hours. Why? The name of the bill was "The James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act. James Byrd was the black man who was dragged behind a pickup truck by three white men. Hate crime activists had cynically seized upon the suffering of Mr. Byrds family to promote their agenda.
What is wrong with "Hate Crimes laws? They violate the constitutional concepts of equal justice and equal protection under the law. Lets look at a couple of examples, one hypothetical, and one from the news.
To illustrate the inequality of justice that will inevitably result from "Hate Crimes laws, lets imagine an altercation between two men at a soccer game. One is a middle-aged sports fan; the other a homosexual dressed in a feminine manner. They get into a fistfight over which team is best, and police arrive to arrest them. Both are charged with the misdemeanor offense of disturbing the peace, and released, right? Wrong. The homosexual claims that the other man called him a "homo. The homosexual (now a "victim) is set free, and the other man is charged with a serious "Hate Crime which could land him in prison for many years.
Heres one from the news to illustrate the loss of equal protection that will result from Hate Crimes laws. (For more details on this story, see the article "Dual Murders in the RESOURCES section below.) Two students are found murdered at a school for the deaf. One is a homosexual. Homosexual activists immediately trumpet the fact that this student was murdered because he was a homosexual. When the truth emerges, we find that another student murdered both boys for their money.
If the murderer had been convicted using "Hate Crimes laws, his punishment would have been much more severe for the murder of the homosexual than for the straight student. Does this mean that heterosexuals lives are worth less than those of homosexuals? Apparently so, if you listen to homosexual activists.
These activists know that homosexuality is not popular, so they have seized on the strategy of using black people to advance their crusade for "Hate Crimes laws. Fortunately for the nation, their wild claims of widespread "Hate Crimes perpetrated by whites against blacks have been proven false, as this excerpt shows: "African-Americans who thought that hate crime laws would protect them against rampaging white racists are in for a shock: A new FBI study reveals that blacks are proportionally one-and-a-half times more likely to be arrested for hate crimes against whites than vice versa. (The complete article can be found in the RESOURCES section.)
Lets face facts. EVERY murder is a hate crime; people dont murder people they like! Every physical ATTACK is a hate crime; you dont hit someone on the head with a brick to demonstrate love. We have thousands of laws against these crimes. We dont need to double the penalties for existing crimes because the Thought Police believe the perpetrator might have been thinking hateful thoughts during the crime.
Then what is this all about? In very simple terms, homosexual activists are determined to make it a crime for Christians and Jews to say what the Bible so clearly says - that it is against the laws of God and nature for people of the same gender to have sex with one another. They will not be satisfied until the law says that homosexuals are more equal than heterosexuals.
The Hate Crimes Express http://www.family.org/cforum/citizenmag/features/a0016964.html
Hate Crime Moves Could Criminalize Biblical Opposition to Homosexuality http://www.charismanews.com/online/articledisplay.pl?ArticleID=1763
Dual Murders Show Injustice of Hate Crime Laws http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=\Commentary\archive\200102\COM20010221e.html
Fake Hate Crime Charges Cast Doubt On Need For Federal Legislation http://www.traditionalvalues.org/article.php?sid=64
'Hate' Label - Tools of Homosexual Activists? http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/302001b.asp
I Hate Hate (Editorial Commentary) http://www.commonconservative.com/shanahan/shan014.html
Shocking FBI study: Blacks are more likely to be arrested for hate crimes http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=184
Petition to Protect Free Speech in Americas Houses of Worship http://www.libertypetitions.com/petition.html?name=hr_2357
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I fail to see anything hateful in that. It is an instruction that has been given out for eons. What I hate is the statistics that shows the distruction caused by AIDS. If this instructions were followed AIDSs would be a rare condition or maybe even non existant.
Four PC Guestappo agents vs. 500 Believers in God's word? I wouldn't want to be in the four agent's shoes!
Because emotions and feelings have become the main thrust of politics in this nation. That's why.
What Complete Complete Crap
The First Amendment trumps any "Hate Crime Law" and anyone with at least a third grade education knows it. This is either complete stupidity or grotesque scare tactics
Bringing that argument a little close to where most of us live, the fact is that there are people who hate other people because of their race. At the risk of sounding insensitive, I say "so what?" As long as they do not commit a crime against the object of their hatred, do they not have the right to hate? I am not suggesting that hate is a good or healthy thing mind you, but simply that they have the right to feel the way they do whatever the reason.
And where do you draw the line. I hate the Clintons. Am I a criminal? I hate liberalism (although not all liberals). I say that makes me smart, not a criminal. I hate terrorism. Terrorism springs from Islam and is bred in the mideast. And while I am always willing to be convinced that there are exceptions, and I'm sure there are, that hatred doubtless shows in the way I look at them when I see them on the street. I could use other examples, but the point is, at the rate our freedoms are being taken away, soon we will be little more than caged animals working our entire lives to add to the government coffers. I for one, will not go down quietly. That is not the life I want for my child and grandchild.
I beg to differ, Dimensio. A hate crime accusation is an accusation of a specific thought. That's where the danger lies in hate crime legislation: an idividual's thoughts are no longer his/her private territory. Futhermore, the accused has to prove that He or She was not thinking the forbidden thought. How does one prove such a thing?
Most likely the "church" is a 501c3 corporation. The creator of a corporation is the state. A creation must obey it's creator, therefore all 501c3 churches must obey their "god" which is the state. The 501c3 "god" (state) says don't preach against homosexualism, the "creation" (church) must obey or face the consequences, (arrest of the preacher, loss of 501c3 tax "exemption", etc).
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If your misunderstanding is sincere, that should clear it up. If we can punish people for what they think and "hate-crime" supporters necessarily say we can then the premise of this article is perfectly valid.
If it ALREADY IS against the law to THINK a certain way about homosexuality, then it certainly is no leap that it could become against the law to SPEAK a certain way.
It already is, in Canada. Did you not know that?
It already is (against the law), in Canada. Did you not know that?
How many priests or ministers have been arrested in Canada for preaching that homosexuality is a sin?
And what brilliant leap of logical thinking resulted in you arriving at this conclusion?
It's already against the law in Sweden for a preacher to invoke the Bible or any other religious text against the practice of homosexuality. A minister, priest or rabbi that does so can be arrested for a hate crime, according to Mr. O'Reilly.
The most preferred political party in Sweden is the Left Party. This is a former Communist, now Socialist, feminist party. See chart. The Left Party is represented by the top red line.
I think we're safe from Sweden's influence.
It was not my intention to argue, simply to comment on the article. But I'll take your fine advice, my brain cells devoted to interpreting and questioning are turned off. From now on I will "understand" (your word) and believe everything I read without weighing the merits of the content.
In churches, as the inflammatory introduction to this article implies?
Hate Crimes legislation should be fought at every turn because it denies citizens the basic freedom of speech guaranteed under the Constitution or incrementally erodes the right of free speech.
Hate Crimes legislation should be fought at every turn because it denies citizens the basic freedom of speech guaranteed under the Constitution or incrementally erodes the right of free speech."Hate crimes" legislation is the liberals' attempt to have their cake and eat it to vis a vis crime. It lets them weaken the laws against violent amateur socialists whose families and friends tend to vote for them, while cracking down on crimes they find to be politically incorrect.
By the time we have government agents getting set to arrest pastors, we will not longer live in a Republic but rather in some sort of totalitarian dictatorship. And if the government feels bold enough to do that, then there would have long since ceased to be effective opposition. Not unlike Nazi Germany in the 1930's.
As for what may come in this blessed country of ours: We have elected one Klinton and it is not inconceivable that our learned citezenry will elect anotheronce the 'Pubs have had their licks in.
I've been watchig Wily Hillary. Coming to a station near you, sweetheart. (Like some brie??)