James Dobson: Flaming Liberal

The Fountain of Truth ^ | July 29, 2002 | Douglas F. Newman

[AppyPappy]

An Alzheimer's patient is a big boy too. That doesn't mean you can take advantage of him. A fool and his money, right?

[sonserae]

Sorry...doesn't fly....If you become drunk and someone takes advantage of your state of drunkeness, that is your responsibility. You chose to become intoxicated and you chose to be in a state of being taken advantage of. This is no one's responsibility but your own.

[J. L. Chamberlain]

Oh, give me a break. And selling one's labor is exploitation, right? Nice liberal mantra.

Stop it! You'll shatter their self deception that they are conservatives!

J

[AppyPappy]

They can change their decision about a product or service. If you knowingly take advantage of an impaired person, you should be punished for it.

[BikerNYC]

So you think that allowing someone to come into an establishment filled with slot machines or art for auction and offering him a drink is taking advantage of him? Mind you, you are not making him put quarters in those machines or raise his paddle during the auction. When does the responsibility of the individual in this case officially end?

[AppyPappy]

If you become drunk and someone takes advantage of your state of drunkeness, that is your responsibility.

So pickpocketing drunks is allowed in your world?

[sonserae]

Hello? What world are you in???? I thought we were talking about someone spending their own money or gambling...not someone unknowingly stealing their wallet. Earth to AppyPappy...

[AppyPappy]

Do you mean the responsibility of the person taking advantage of the impaired person?

Here's an idea. Don't serve liquor and you remove 9/10's of the problem.

[AppyPappy]

What if the pickpocket contends the drunk WANTED to give him the wallet?

[dubyagee]

They can change their decision about a product or service. If you knowingly take advantage of an impaired person, you should be punished for it.

And what responsibility does the impaired person have? Are they not to be held accountable for getting impaired? If my husband blows the mortgage payment on poker losses, I'm certainly not going to blame the guys he was playing poker with, or the fact that he was "impaired."

[sonserae]

You don't get it. Is someone forcing the liquor down people's throats? No. I'm talking about actions and consequences. If you WILLINGLY take a drink and then go behind the wheel and kill a bunch of people is it the car's fault? PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

[realpatriot71]

The problem is when people knowingly take advantage of you while you are in that state.

I see your point, but how is one going to prove one was drunk after losing his a$$, in order to get the money back?

[VaBthang4]

The title discredits the whole piece.

I would venture a guess at saying the author is closer to being a flaming Liberal than Dr. Dobson is.

[newcats]

I think it is...theft by deception.

They are fleecing the foolish who are clueless about how the whole thing really works...exploiting base human greed and avarice.

What about commercials for all that RONCO type crap that doesn't work? All those wieght-loss programs...all those wrinkle removers.
People know the odds...they are posted right there where you buy the lotto tickets. Should we protect people from their own stupidity or laziness?

[AppyPappy]

And what responsibility does the impaired person have?

It seems that both of them should be held accountable. The drunk for getting drunk and the proprietor for getting him drunk AND facilitating a risky behavior (gambling). That is why you need a "cooling off" period or removing the liquor from the equation to reduce the risk.

We have a cooling off period for products. Why not gambling?

[AppyPappy]

If a bartender KNOWINGLY allows you behind the wheel, then he is partly responsible if HE was the one who got you drunk.

[dubyagee]

What? You mean my "mega-trim", no diet, no exercise weight loss pills aren't gonna work? @#$$ those people! ; * )

[AppyPappy]

see your point, but how is one going to prove one was drunk after losing his a$$, in order to get the money back?

Irrelevant as long as he can prove he was impaired. We are going to argue mechanics which is outside our realm.

[newcats]

Yep...never caught anything with my pocket fisherman either!!

[sonserae]

No...the bartender is NOT responsible. You really have a problem taking personal responsibility don't you? Do you blame others for your actions? If so, that is very sad. Victims stay victims. Only when we can take personal responsibility can we have the power to do something. If it's everyone else's fault, we have no power...and we stay a victim...repeating the cycle....