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Shark found swimming in Lake Erie (??!!)
WKYC-TV/Cleveland ^ | 7.30.02

Posted on 07/30/2002 2:54:21 PM PDT by mhking


Shark found swimming in Lake Erie

July 29, 2002

CLEVELAND -- Someone found a shark in Lake Erie, alive and well and swimming around.

A swimmer near the Edgewater Yacht Club thought he saw a fin in the water and caught the shark by the tail.

It died when he threw it up on land.

Marine experts say it was probably once a pet that was dumped in the lake.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: sharks
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1 posted on 07/30/2002 2:54:21 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
I remember when a large and very-much-alive Great White was found in a hotel swimming pool in Cape May, New Jersey. Nobody ever figured that one out.
2 posted on 07/30/2002 2:56:08 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: mhking
As long as it wasn't one of those snakehead things.
3 posted on 07/30/2002 2:59:51 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mhking
It died when he threw it up on land.

He probably didn’t cook it enough.

4 posted on 07/30/2002 3:00:47 PM PDT by dead
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To: andy_card
Governah:
And what did Hillary look like in a bathing suit?
5 posted on 07/30/2002 3:02:25 PM PDT by ozone1
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To: mhking
Something alive was found in Lake Erie?? Who'da thunk it? Hey, put this in "Breaking News!"
6 posted on 07/30/2002 3:03:08 PM PDT by mafree
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To: ozone1
And what did Hillary look like in a bathing suit?

You're mixing up the Great White with the Hagfish.

And yes, that's a fish.

7 posted on 07/30/2002 3:04:59 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: rdb3
Ping!
8 posted on 07/30/2002 3:05:25 PM PDT by mhking
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To: andy_card
And yes, that's a fish.

Just damn.

9 posted on 07/30/2002 3:06:23 PM PDT by mhking
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To: andy_card
=80 Looks like haggis to me. Ick.
10 posted on 07/30/2002 3:07:11 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mhking
Lawyer overboard!!
11 posted on 07/30/2002 3:08:08 PM PDT by tracer
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To: mhking
Poor coverage...no pict of the shark.
12 posted on 07/30/2002 3:08:58 PM PDT by Guillermo
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To: mhking
Any bio-guys got the word on how long a salt water icky-ickthys can live in fresh water?
13 posted on 07/30/2002 3:14:20 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
Any bio-guys got the word on how long a salt water icky-ickthys can live in fresh water?

Could be like that brackish-fresh water shark like those hanging up the Mississippi River. From what I understand, those things are in the big muddy as far north as St. Louis.

14 posted on 07/30/2002 3:16:05 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
From what I understand, those things are in the big muddy as far north as St. Louis.

St Louis? Sharks? I've never heard of such a thing.

Can someone do the Missouri thing and show me?

15 posted on 07/30/2002 3:23:07 PM PDT by Mike K
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To: andy_card
"I remember when a large and very-much-alive Great White was found in a hotel swimming pool in Cape May, New Jersey. Nobody ever figured that one out."

Kinda like those horseheads in bed. New Jersey is a little close to manhattan and it's, er, family environment.

On the other hand, did they mention seeing a toupee nearby?

16 posted on 07/30/2002 3:26:22 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: dead
I bet it was bad tartar sauce.
17 posted on 07/30/2002 3:26:53 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Mike K
The bull shark is found close to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, rivers and lakes. It has been found up to 1,750 miles (2800 km) up the Mississippi River in the USA..

Could be this one maybe?

Bull Shark
18 posted on 07/30/2002 3:26:56 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Mike K
actually bull sharks have been caught as far north as memphis
19 posted on 07/30/2002 3:27:31 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Mike K
Can someone do the Missouri thing and show me?

According to some experts, the bull shark (above), also known as the freshwater or river shark, grows from 7 to 11 feet long, and has "been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru."

"Considered to be the most dangerous shark in the world, even surpassing the Great White Shark, a heavy bodied with a short nose and a medium sized second dorsal fin. It has broad, serrated triangular upper teeth and very powerful jaws. It has a broad diet and will eat almost anything."
-- The Shark Gallery, "Bull Shark"
I got no desire to be on the business end of that thing...

20 posted on 07/30/2002 3:28:38 PM PDT by mhking
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To: billhilly
On the other hand, did they mention seeing a toupee nearby?

Hmm. Well, this was before Hoffa bit the dust. Could have been Judge Crater...

21 posted on 07/30/2002 3:29:09 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Yuck. If I were swimming around and saw that in the water next to me, I'd . . . well, I don't know WHAT I'd do!
22 posted on 07/30/2002 3:30:34 PM PDT by Isadora Duncan
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To: mhking
Hey, yours is better, it has pictures! :)
23 posted on 07/30/2002 3:31:25 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: andy_card
How about Whitey Bolger?
24 posted on 07/30/2002 3:32:22 PM PDT by ozone1
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To: andy_card; Tennessee_Bob
Why does the word "colonoscopy" come to mind?
25 posted on 07/30/2002 3:34:04 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: mhking
Now THAT is just........... well............. "erie"
26 posted on 07/30/2002 3:36:27 PM PDT by Hank Hill
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To: Mike K
Mike K wrote:
From what I understand, those things are in the big muddy as far north as St. Louis.
St Louis? Sharks? ............

There they go streching the facts again.
There have been no reliable shark sightings since the mid 1950's when they created the River Des Peres Shark Patrol.
The pay scale isn't much for this stalwart group of men, but they go in harms way every weekend armed only with their cans of A-B products and bragging rights.
I believe they are an auxilary of the Yacht Club of the same name.

27 posted on 07/30/2002 3:36:59 PM PDT by YOMO
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Why does the word "colonoscopy" come to mind?

What's the matter, it doesn't look like your typical tunafish salad? Believe it or not, the Koreans eat five million pounds of those hagfish a year. Yes, the Koreans (famed also for eating dogs, rotten eggs and homeless people) are nuts.
Source: The Hagfish Page

28 posted on 07/30/2002 3:40:00 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
did you make that yourself?...thats pretty gross man! : )
29 posted on 07/30/2002 3:43:43 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: Mike K
Can someone do the Missouri thing and show me?

I can do the Texas thing and show you what we have to contend with in Texas. From Birds & Other Wildlife of South Central Texas by Edward A Kutac and S. Christopher Caran. (South Central Texas is inland 100 miles or more and SE of Austin and San Antonio). In their list of criters found in this area, they include a couple of sharks.

Finetooth shark. Carcharhinus isodon: Rare or uncomon. Periennial waterways (rivers). Generally a marine species. Occurred in rivers throughout the Gulf Coastal Plains prior to dam construction. Now restricted to the southeastern part of the area.

Bull shark. Carcharhinus leucas: Possible. Perennial waterways (rivers). Generally a marine species. If present in South Central Texas, it is restricted to the southeasternmost part of the area.


30 posted on 07/30/2002 3:44:47 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Mike K
There have been sharks fished out of the Mississippi River near Alton Illinois, just north of St. Louis, recorded back in the late 1800s. Bull sharks, probably, since they can handle fresh water. With the locks and dams now it is less likely they can get through, but not impossible.

If you think those are scary, you should see the catfish from around those locks... divers doing inspections have been known to carry shark prods just for those.

31 posted on 07/30/2002 3:50:20 PM PDT by piasa
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To: andy_card
well, PeTA must be happy with their new diet. Wonder if Dahlmer was one of their spokespersons. Hmm.
32 posted on 07/30/2002 3:53:25 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: mhking
I saw the story and the shark on the news last night, the "expert" said that it was starting to die because it wasn't in salt water. He said it wouldn't have lived very long in Lake Erie.

They were going to send the carcass for an autopsy for some reason.

Apparently it was some type of common home aquarium shark that can grow up to about 3 feet. Something like a greyhound shark??? Something like that.

33 posted on 07/30/2002 4:03:30 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: piasa
There have been sharks fished out of the Mississippi River near Alton Illinois, just north of St. Louis, recorded back in the late 1800s. Bull sharks, probably, since they can handle fresh water. With the locks and dams now it is less likely they can get through, but not impossible.

Ah, a good example of transitionary specie. If these sharks don't get killed off by human pollution they will likely evovle into a shark that is completely adapted to living and spawning in fresh water.

34 posted on 07/30/2002 4:09:00 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: mhking
I grew up on the Misissippi in Western Kentucky and never heard about this. Of course, catfish as big as sharks were rumored. I don't know if it is bull sharks, or bull sh--. It is pretty hard to argue with this evidence. I would like to take back all of my wading, swimming, and duck hunting. I don't believe I could have done it knowing this.
35 posted on 07/30/2002 4:12:03 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: mhking
And just last week it was announced on several local news programs in the Des Moines area of Pirahna being dumped in several area lakes.
36 posted on 07/30/2002 4:19:42 PM PDT by woofer
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To: andy_card
That was the ugliest democrat I ever saw, excluding Hillary, but it was Jim Traficant that I referred to when I asked about the toupee. He is back in the Cleveland area I believe.
37 posted on 07/30/2002 4:21:10 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: billhilly
Bulls frequently work there way into the Atchafalaya basin (brackish - fresh) here in LA. If I'm not mistaken, the furthest north one has been documented is Cairo, IL. I don't recall the source right off, but If you give me a while.....
38 posted on 07/30/2002 4:27:48 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: billhilly
would you consider NOAA a reliable source?
39 posted on 07/30/2002 4:33:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: fourdeuce82d
Nasty bull sharks (last year, one killed a man who swam off his dock in a canal in FL) can cross over into fresh water. Great whites can for a brief time, but they deteriorate quickly.
40 posted on 07/30/2002 5:15:19 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: mhking
Bull sharks breed at the mouth of the Mississippi. Some have been found as far as Alton, IL. Bull sharks are extremely dangerous and vicious. They like to hang around docks and under bridges.
41 posted on 07/30/2002 5:17:35 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: billhilly
don't know about cape may in new jersey, but a great white was found in a swimming pool in cape horn, south africa by two swimmers about 10 years ago. they got up early and went for a swim about 6 am. a large storm the night before caused a huge wave which most like washed the fish into the pool. i wish i had the story with me.
42 posted on 07/30/2002 5:21:24 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: rmmcdaniell
If these sharks don't get killed off by human pollution they will likely evovle into a shark that is completely adapted to living and spawning in fresh water.

Then my vote goes to pollution.

43 posted on 07/30/2002 5:23:30 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: mhking
Marine experts say it was probably once a pet that was dumped in the lake.

uh huh. We all keep pet sharks around.

44 posted on 07/30/2002 5:26:05 PM PDT by Life of Brian
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this ain't no regular shark my friend. someone is genetically engineering killer sharks for our inland fresh water lakes to terrify the citizenry. God help us all.
45 posted on 07/30/2002 5:30:09 PM PDT by Life of Brian
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To: Black Agnes
Could a Bull Shark get into the great lakes? it would have to swim up the Hudson (possible) and then take the Erie canal to Buffalo, and then get through the locks into the lake.
I doubt this could happen.

Frankly, I consider Bull Sharks far skarier than Great Whites. Unlike Great Whites, Bulls hunt in relatively shallow and murky water, where people swim.
They also go into rivers and ponds. (I'm pretty sure I say one in the bay in Southampton NY. (that would have done wonders for teh multi-million dollar waterfront estates.) No one believed me.

46 posted on 07/30/2002 5:55:15 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: dead
It died when he ""threw it up""" on land.

He probably didn’t cook it enough.

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Here is the link:

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47 posted on 07/30/2002 5:59:23 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: mhking; fourdeuce82d
The TRUE story on which "Jaws" is based involved a great white that swam many, many, miles up a freshwater stream in New Jersey (around 1910 I think), killing several swimmers as it did.
48 posted on 07/30/2002 6:04:19 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2; Black Agnes; mhking; YOMO; rustbucket; piasa
Thanks for the replies. I learned something new today.
1,750 miles inland! I didn't think salt water gills could stand all that fresh water.

I'll stick to lakes where alligators and water moccasins are the top of the food chain.
49 posted on 07/30/2002 6:26:04 PM PDT by Mike K
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To: andy_card
And yes, that's a fish.

More or less. It's an Agnatha or 'jawless fish.' The fish we're moe used to seeing are the Chondrichthyes (sharks and rays) and Osteichthyes (bony fishes).

As for the shark, there are a number of fresh water sjarks in the world, including at least one that has been known to attack humans. (It lives in Lake Nicaragua.)

50 posted on 07/30/2002 6:35:27 PM PDT by JAWs
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