Behind the Veil: An outbreak of militant Islam contained in a British medical school

City Journal ^ | 30 July 2002 | Theodore Dalrymple

[aristeides]

Didn't the Nazis have an equal intensity of faith? Why doesn't the left admire that?

[Arthur McGowan]

The Left DID admire the Nazis--remember the stink that Reagan caused in 1980 when he quoted (accurately) some early New Dealers like Rexford Tugwell and Harold Ickes, who praised Hitler and Mussolini as well as Stalin? It was when STALIN ordered the Leftist Hive to oppose Hitler that they fell in line against him.

And today, there is plenty of Nazi chic among Leftist gays.

[aristeides]

There may be plenty of Nazi chic among leftist gays, but they'll never admit it. At least not in public.

Funny how Lothar Machtan's book arguing that Hitler was homosexual has elicited so little reaction, just a couple of reviews saying that his thesis is of course absurd. Myself, I found the book persuasive. In any case, whatever Hitler may have been, there was clearly a homoerotic subcurrent to Nazism.

[A_perfect_lady]

The liberals are overawed by the Jihad mystique:

Yes. Anyone who is sufficiently exotic and vehement just sweeps them right off their feet.

an atheist is not a man who believes in nothing, but a man who will believe in anything.

Here we part ways. You couldn't have gotten Ayn Rand in a veil at gun point. She'd lived under collectivism before.

[swarthyguy]

They admire Nazism's mirror image, Stalinism. Not the "new" left as much, but certainly the Western Left of the 20's and 30's. They had a hard time acknowledging the massive bloodshed of Soviet Communism.

Probably because the ultimate Nazi vision of never one of egalitarianism or equality for all; they glorified and exalted a SuperElite. Plus they lost.

Nazism was discredited while the Soviet Union survived and even prospered briefly and shocked the US occasionally as in sending up Sputnik. After it collapsed in 1990, leftists have been looking for a new faith.

Eventually the left will heed the appeals of islamic financial law, be seduced by its interest free strictures and entranced by its utopian vision of new financial 'egalitarian' and 'equitable' order based not on current western banking concepts but on sharia ones.

[aristeides]

Islamofascism is certainly not egalitarian. If you like Islamofascism, what's to dislike about Nazism?

[aristeides]

Eventually the left will heed the appeals of islamic financial law, be seduced by its interest free strictures and entranced by its utopian vision of new financial 'egalitarian' and 'equitable' order based not on current western banking concepts but on sharia ones.

Remember how much the Nazis talked about a Volksgemeinschaft, a national community without class divisions. The Nazis also talked about Germans being subject to an interest slavery of the Jewish bankers.

[valkyrieanne]

This is interesting. I was watching some documentary earlier this week on the Mossad, and it had some footage of the Palestinians, from the early Intifada. Guess what - all the 1970s-vintage Palestinians were dressed in contemporary (for the day) Western clothes, complete with the sideburns & big hair.

Fast forward to modern footage from recent street conflicts. It looks like everyone is from the 8th century - the "full towel" effect. It's like their deliberate adoption of archaic dress IS the political statement.

[mathurine]

Just face it. Mohammedism sucks big time. You can't be one of them and anything respectable.

[valkyrieanne]

Eventually the left will heed the appeals of islamic financial law ...

I couldn't agree more. Look for mass conversions to Islam among leftists. Look for massive glorifications of wahhabi-style Islam in Sept 11 commemorations.

[aristeides]

Look for mass conversions to Islam among leftists.

If that happens, what do you think the leftists will be able to say was wrong with Nazism?

[JMJ333]

Something they don't mention is that its fairly evident that many of the Taliban spewing forth Arabic diatribes are the European-educated sons of businessmen who drink heavily of our Coca-Cola and languish in the comfort of our consumer society, attending the London School of Economics where they mix their Mohammed with their Marx. Not suprised they're in the med schools too.

[Friedrich Hayek]

Darymple is a genius. He has been talking about this under-class of desperately poor, radicalized Asians that exists in Britain's blighted inner-cities for decades now; long before anyone else had any clue as to what was going on. He has been telling us that 9/11 is the inevitable result of the Welfare State. He is a true visionary in this regard.

[sarasmom]

Exactly the reason I will eventually not be appearing as a FReeper.

I will probably see one too many women at the mall,in veils, who are not Catholic Nuns.

I will not let this vicsious,slimy cult murder me for PC.I will not let any ignorant cult kill me and mine for political expedience!

If they want to wear a veil in the USA, they should also make sure they do not offend the general populace with their obnoxious presence.

Islam is NOT peace, and suicide is not a trait of the normal USA citizen.

[swarthyguy]

Islamic financial law makes a stab at egalitarianism; superficial because it operates within more or less a monarchial or ayatollah ruling model but it's appeal to a left starved for any economic idea could be great.

Hitler coopted and got the industrialists on his side; the left doesn't like his allowing the great industrial houses of Germany to survive; they never wanted to preserve the modern corporation and have liked the nationalisation and outright expropriation by the state of private activity.

Islam's appeal is to do away with the modern corporation and interest banking and call them both something else.

The left has no economic framework left; the ummah would love to make greater inroads here; both the islamists and left despise the modern economic system. And the left has already shown an eager willingess to adapt society to islam and justify islam to society.

Appealing to the left via islam's doctrines of charity and alms would be very effective and provide the left the lifeboat it needs.

[denydenydeny]

Dalrymple is terrific, I agree. This piece is especially wonderful because there is a simple moral to the story:

If you stand up to the thugs, they will back down.

[swarthyguy]

>Lothar Machtan's book arguing that Hitler

Ever read Ron Rosenbaums Hitler? Sort of an annotated compendium of biographical theories about Herr Schiklgruber..... Worth reading....

[aristeides]

I've read Ron Rosenbaum's book about Hitler, just as I've read most leading books about Hitler. Machtan's book is more recent, it's controversial, but, personally, I found it persuasive. Right or not, the gays are never going to allow it to have proper consideration.

[swarthyguy]

In the 1960's/70's Kuwait was very modern including its Universities. They've apparently gone back to gender segregation, hijabs and burqas and considerably less social interaction between the sexes than there was in the 60's or 70's apparently. A recent report interviewed students who more or less accepted it.

It's a return to roots; Sunni islam reacting to the Iranian revolution combined with a undisguisable hatred for the west and its friends.

[swarthyguy]

There was a movie that explored the story of Rohm's SA, it's rise, its downfall, its violence and debauchery.