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Muslim contributions to life really add up
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | August 3, 2002 | ROBERT L. JAMIESON Jr.

Posted on 08/03/2002 1:27:38 PM PDT by sarcasm

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To: sarcasm

30 percent of the 7 million to 10 million Muslims living in the United States are African American.

http://www.progressive.org/pmp0701/pmpmn2001.html
41 posted on 08/03/2002 2:13:06 PM PDT by bok
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To: sarcasm
"They are patriotic, love this country and denounce terrorism."

Haven't seen any moslems of note denounce terrorism. Their scriptures tell them to kill all non-moslems.

This is the Seattle PI. You can't believe anything they say, especially their editorials. The PI is even sub-standard fish wrap.

42 posted on 08/03/2002 2:19:39 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: UbIwerks
By their fruits you shall know them.....murders, lies, rapes, wrapping their children in explosives, the paying of familes to kill their own children in order to kill the children of others..taking delight and celebrating the deaths of their own children and the murders of other children...
The kinder gentler version is to get the door open for the thugs and murderers waiting in the wings...
They call Christ a liar...it was Jesus Himself who declared himself God, the Son of God, and The Only Way that mankind may be saved...
To say anything else of Him is to give voice to a lie..
There is no middle ground.. nor room for peace...we are at war...and we need to do what ever it takes to win..and to win completely
IMO
43 posted on 08/03/2002 2:21:18 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: sarcasm
The Seattle P-I is widely renowned for the sheer magnitude of its stupidity. It's the northern version of the SF Chronicle.

You posted something [anything] from the P-I without a barf alert attached?

44 posted on 08/03/2002 2:21:36 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Calpublican
Muslim "Contributions" To American Society over the last 30-40 years. Get ready! It's pop-quiz time!


In 1968 who assassinated Robert Kennedy? 
(a) Abbe Hoffman 
(b) Tiny Tim 
(c) Charles Manson 
(d) Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40 

In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by: 
(a)Olga Corbutt 
(b)Sitting Bull 
(c)Arnold Schwartzeneger 
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: 
(a) Lost Norwegians 
(b) Elvis 
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: 
(a) John Dillinger 
(b) The King of Sweden 
(c) The Boy Scouts 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: 
(a) A pizza delivery boy 
(b) Pee Wee Herman 
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. 

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old 
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by: 
(a) The Smurfs 
(b) Davy Jones 
(c) The Little Mermaid 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. 

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and 
a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by: 
(a) Captain Kid 
(b) Charles Lindberg 
(c) Mother Teresa 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: 
(a) Scooby Doo 
(b) The Tooth Fairy 
(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid with dynamite left over from the 
train job. 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by: 
(a) Richard Simmons 
(b) Grandma Moses 
(c) Michael Jordan 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: 
(a) Mr. Rogers 
(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems 
(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha 
the Merciless" 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

iN 1999, The USS Cole was attacked and more than 15 American Sailors were 
killed by:
(a) David Letterman
(b) Shaquille O'Neil
(c) The Cookie Monster
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and flown into
buildings killling thousands of people by:

(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd 
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida 
(c) Mr. Bean 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against: 
(a)Enron 
(b)The Lutheran Church 
(c)The NFL 
(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by: 
(a) Bonny and Clyde 
(b) Captain Kangaroo 
(c) Billy Graham 
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

In 2001 Phillipene Missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham 
were kidnapped, held for over a year, and Martin subsequently killed by: 
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Scooby Doo & Shaggy
(c) Ronald Reagan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 

On July 4th 2002, 2 Innocent Airline Passengers Were Killed, And 3 Others Injured
at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines in the LAX International terminal by:
(a) Hulk Hogan after losing the WWF Title
(b) The cast of Monty Python
(c) Senator Lil' Tommy Daschle
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41
If you answered anything other than D to all questions above, you need to study harder. :)
45 posted on 08/03/2002 2:22:44 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: Aaron_A
And don't forget the institution of professional assassins "Hashishi" that came along during the Crusades. That is a great development Arabs! </sarcasm> The flowering of Islam was at its height under the OTTOMAN TURKS. Arabs themselves did diddly squat.
46 posted on 08/03/2002 2:24:12 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: sarcasm
He's almost honest here - they're not really arabic numbers, they're hindu.
He wrote "On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals," which helped spread Arabic numerals in Islamic territories -- and to the West"
So what was it we're supposed to be giving the muslims credit for?? Oh yeah. This is one piece of Hindu culture that the muslims did not utterly destroy, due to the fact that islam is a religion of peace.
47 posted on 08/03/2002 2:27:25 PM PDT by watchin
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To: Savage Beast
LOL!!
48 posted on 08/03/2002 2:29:09 PM PDT by watchin
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To: sarcasm
Where's the barf alert?

Al-Rhazes was Persian, but may not have been Islamic (Zoroastrianism still exists although suppressed in Iran.)

Many of the so-called "Arab" contributions were actually lifted from India (note even the Arab mathematician gave the numerals their proper attribution - the Hindu numerals), China, or the Byzantine Empire. The Arabs did spread a lot of culture around because of their role as traders and travellers across the Mideast and the "Silk Road." But to consider them the chief instigators and innovators is just not correct.

Also, many of the most creative and innovative Muslims were not Arab at all, but rather Persian Sufis, who were almost continually criticized for being too "liberal."

This headscarf thing is really beginning to bug me, too. Many women in various Muslim countries didn't wear hijab until they were *forced into it* by wahhabists. Turkish and Bosnian women don't wear head coverings at all. Educated Kuwaiti, Pakistani, and Afghan women in the 60s and 70s *used* to wear just light gauze scarves that rested on top of the hair and actually looked attractive. After the invasion of wahhabists, they went to head-to-toe coverings.

It is really terrible that the "public face" of Islam in the US is getting taken over by rigid, puritanical, cover-them-head-to-toe wahhabism.

49 posted on 08/03/2002 2:32:54 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: bok
Correction: 30% are Black. There is no such thing as an "African-American". Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it...
50 posted on 08/03/2002 2:35:06 PM PDT by szweig
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To: Calpublican
That's not a description of denoucement - that's a description of justification.

Somehow the muslims think they should be able to justify their actions in the same breath they're "condemning" them.

Somehow, I'm not impressed.
51 posted on 08/03/2002 2:37:56 PM PDT by watchin
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To: bok
What's your point? I have no problem with anyone's ethnicity - but their beliefs and resultant behaviors are what condemn them.

A patriotic, peace-loving muslim (if there is such a thing) is not a problem. It's the violent, plotting, back-stabbing terrorists I don't particularly like. The fact that there are "sleepers" complicates matters.

The fact that some muslims are black does not.
53 posted on 08/03/2002 2:47:05 PM PDT by watchin
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To: sarcasm
The author left out the soccer stadium killing field in Kabul where women were publicly executed for lacking virtue and engaging in vice. Surely an oversight.
54 posted on 08/03/2002 2:55:26 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: FreedomAvatar
The religion also says, "If anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind."

You said, "Except for Jews." True enough, but let's expand that to "non-muslims." The most consistent interpretation of Q'uran informs us that all of the 'civilised' customs and dispensations are reserved for muslims ONLY. Non-believers - infidels - are fair game for slaughter and any atrocity that can be mustered agaisnt them. This is a war of civilizations, and it's a brutal and fatal shame that our erstwhile 'leadership' refuses to recognize that. And the price we'll all pay for that will be terrible beyond imagination.

55 posted on 08/03/2002 3:05:44 PM PDT by Noumenon
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To: joesnuffy
A few more quotes from this "peaceful" religion:

Surah III, v 181,
Taste ye [Jews] the punishment of burning.

Surah IV v. 56
Those who disbelieve Our revalations, We shall expose them to the fire. As often as their skins are consumed. We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment.

Surah IV v. 160, 161
Allah hath cursed [the Jews] for their disbelief.

Surah IV v. 46
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and Christians as friends

Surah IX v. 29
Fight against such of those [Jews and Christians]...until they pay for the tribute readily for being brought low (emphasis added)

The article says they're are neighbors and friends?

After the Hebron massacre of 1929 in which about 70 Jews were killed by their Arab neighbors (this was before the state of Israel was founded), one of the survivors remarked that Arabs know how to conceal their enmity very well.

That may or may not be the case today with our neighbors and friends. Afterall, the Arabs lived years and years with the Jews until they decided to kill them in the 1929 Hebron massacre.

56 posted on 08/03/2002 3:05:55 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: Noumenon
This is a war of civilizations, and it's a brutal and fatal shame that our erstwhile 'leadership' refuses to recognize that. And the price we'll all pay for that will be terrible beyond imagination.

Quite correct. Of course, better that we Americans die than offend our "peace-loving cornerstone of civilization".

57 posted on 08/03/2002 3:11:49 PM PDT by FreedomAvatar
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To: sarcasm
Muslims are shoe bombers.
Hijackers. Suicidal terrorists.
They have no respect for our laws and stick to themselves.
They raise money for destruction.
Some cover their heads with cloth; others have suspicious sounding names.
Mustafa Ujaama. Abdullah Higazy. Al-Muhajir.
They need to be watched. They live in America but are un-American.
They're the enemy.

Why is it that every Muslim apologist makes a list like this and then "refutes" it tongue in cheek? Not a one of these statements is absurd per se. In my life, I have only heard of one shoe bomber. He was a Muslim. The 9/11 hijackers were terrorists and were Muslim. Those hijackers, and many other Muslims with whom I'm acquainted have little respect for American laws and institutions because of a perceived hypocrisy. Certainly the 9/11 hijackers didn't care too much about overtime parking or littering! These people -- who are destructive -- raised the money somewhere. Their globe-trotting would have a Michelin Guide writer envious. Many -- MOST -- cover their heads with cloths. And I don't know about "suspicious," but their names ARE odd-sounding to western ears. That they need to be watched seems axiomatic. That they are un-American seems patently obvious.

Do these descriptions apply to ALL Muslims? Of course not. Not all terrorists are Muslims, nor are all Muslims terrorists. But all the airplanes flown into buildings in the worst terrorist act ever committed against a peaceful enemy were flown -- hijacked -- by Muslim terrorists. It seems logical to suspect Muslims of terrorism over say, Scandinavians. Or does that logic escape this self-righteous prig?

58 posted on 08/03/2002 3:27:13 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: sarcasm
Transferred papermaking? Came up with the word "sofa" for which we must give thanks? When taken against all the achievements of mankind, pardon me while I..... BWHAHAHAHAHA!
59 posted on 08/03/2002 3:34:49 PM PDT by austingirl
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And how many Nobel prizes have been awarded to Muslims?

And how many books of any kind have been written by Muslims?

And how many predominatly-Muslim nations are democratic?

60 posted on 08/03/2002 4:27:19 PM PDT by Procyon
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