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Bush ready to declare war
The Observer (U.K.) ^ | 08/04/2002 | Peter Beaumont, Gaby Hinsliff and Paul Beaver

Posted on 08/03/2002 5:12:09 PM PDT by Pokey78

President George W. Bush will announce within weeks that he intends to depose Iraq's ruler, Saddam Hussein, by force, setting the stage for a war in the Gulf this winter.

Amid signs of active preparations for a war within six months, senior officials on both sides of the Atlantic have said that war against Iraq is now inevitable.

'The expectation is that President Bush will make a final decision on the timing of a war over the course of August. That would be followed by British-led efforts to get a mandate for action at the UN, either under existing resolutions or a new UN resolution,' said one senior source.

The disclosure came as US Secretary of State Colin Powell dismissed an offer by Iraq to talk to the chief weapons inspector of the United Nations. 'Inspection is not the issue, disarmament is, making sure that the Iraqis have no weapons of mass destruction,' said Powell during a visit to Manila, capital of the Philippines.

'We have seen the Iraqis try to fiddle with the inspection system before,' said Powell. 'You can tell that they are trying to get out of the clear requirement that they have. The goal is not inspections for inspection's sake.'

The escalation of US military efforts comes amid signs of the first serious split between the White House and Britain over the relentless march to war.

That split emerged yesterday after John Bolton, US Under Secretary for Arms Control, admitted that the aim in Washington was to topple Saddam regardless of whether or not he allowed UN inspectors back in to complete the disarmament process.

'Let there be no mistake - while we also insist on the reintroduction of the weapons inspectors, our policy at the same time insists on regime change in Baghdad and that policy will not be altered, whether inspectors go in or not,' Bolton told Radio 4's Today programme. He said he 'certainly hoped' Saddam would be deposed within the year.

His words set alarm bells ringing in London, since the legality of any attack on Iraq - already questioned by the Government's own lawyers - depends on claiming to be acting against infringements of the post-Gulf War disarmament pact rather than simply overthrowing a dictator. Foreign Office sources were quick to dissociate the Foreign Secretary from Bolton's comments.

'Jack Straw has always said that the aim of our policy would not be regime change,' said a Foreign Office source.

In a further indication of preparations for war on both sides of the Atlantic, Tony Blair is expected to begin a campaign of softening up public opinion for war in the autumn. Bruce George, chairman of the Commons Defence Select Committee, said the Government 'will have to have started explaining' its case by then to reverse polls now showing strong opposition to war.

Bolton's comments came as new evidence emerged of US preparations for war, including the building up of strategic oil reserves in the US to insulate the economy against an expected hike in oil prices that would follow the opening of hostilities.

Discreet inquiries have also been made about the availability of the oil tankers that would be needed to transport aviation and other fuel to the Gulf for use by US forces.

In a further indication that America is readying itself for war, large numbers of US Army military trucks have undergone rapid servicing by the Oshkosh Truck Corporation and have been seen being delivered by rail back to their bases painted in tan desert camouflage.

Blair yesterday faced new demands from all sides to publish the now notorious dossier of information on Saddam's nuclear, biological and chemical armoury that he has been promising to unveil since spring.

'The British public deserves to be treated with respect. We must know what the evidence is, and the evidence has got to be compelling,' said Tony Lloyd, the ex-Foreign Office Minister.

The long delay in publication has prompted suspicions that the dossier, which relies heavily on satellite pictures, is embarrassingly thin.

'By delaying publication the Government has raised expectations. There would be a political price to pay if this much promised document did not amount to more than a collection of press cuttings,' said Menzies Campbell, the Liberal Democrats' foreign affairs spokesman.

The determination of Bush and his closest officials to go ahead with a war has also come amid growing evidence of splits within his own administration.

Senior officials, however, anticipate that Bush will bring an end to the debate by ordering the Pentagon to prepare for war. Most in the administration expect a fairly swift victory.

'I'm absolutely convinced the President will settle on a war plan that brings about regime change,' a senior Republican foreign policy specialist told the Washington Post last week.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: iraq; middleeast; saddamhussein
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1 posted on 08/03/2002 5:12:09 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
It's a-coming. And President Bush is making absolutely the right decision, given his resonsibility to protect American citizens. We should be thankful we don't have the foppish and feckless Clinton in charge anymore.
2 posted on 08/03/2002 5:21:11 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
GO ANY TIME BEFORE THE NOV. ELECTION 2002!!!!
3 posted on 08/03/2002 5:38:50 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: Pokey78
A needed War indeed but also a depression/further layoffs ( everything is "Made In China") ushering in by force- globalization; under the guise of us being saved from China attacking us, while our troops are spread throughout the world.
4 posted on 08/03/2002 5:43:17 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Pokey78
The President cannot declare War.
5 posted on 08/03/2002 5:44:58 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: The Shootist
The President cannot declare War.

I don't think the British press knows that. Of course, I am not sure the American press does either.

a.cricket

6 posted on 08/03/2002 5:50:13 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: yendu bwam
we don't have the foppish and feckless Clinton in charge anymore.

And thank G_d the foppish and feckless Algore didn't win election. I think a lot us of would be feeling a little naked about now.

7 posted on 08/03/2002 5:55:56 PM PDT by oyez
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To: another cricket
Bump.
9 posted on 08/03/2002 5:57:44 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: The Shootist
Actually, I believe the resolution for September 11th gave the president the power to do whatever he feels is necessary to protect the United States. It's not exactly a declaration of war, but it's pretty close.

I would never say that it would pass consitutional muster, but who cares about that anymore in those hallowed halls of congress.
10 posted on 08/03/2002 5:59:03 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Hank Kerchief
I hope you have kids and I hope they all die in that war you so relish. Why don't you volunteer.

It's easier for someone else's kids to die.

---max

11 posted on 08/03/2002 5:59:18 PM PDT by max61
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To: Hank Kerchief
This isnt going to be WWII, well probably lose two or three people in some sort of accident.
12 posted on 08/03/2002 6:02:18 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Pokey78
bflr
13 posted on 08/03/2002 6:04:15 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: Pokey78
Bush ready to declare war

And just what does Congress have to say about it?

(Congress is on "Break"?)

Very Interesting/Revolting Development?

/sarcasm

14 posted on 08/03/2002 6:05:06 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Hank Kerchief
You are sick.
15 posted on 08/03/2002 6:06:57 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Hank Kerchief; max61
I hope you have kids and I hope they all die in that war you so relish. Why don't you volunteer.

You two sound like peace activists.

US and British forces will cut through Iraq like a knife through butter. This isn't a war. It's gonna be a turkey shoot.

16 posted on 08/03/2002 6:13:13 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
US and British forces will cut through Iraq like a knife through butter. This isn't a war. It's gonna be a turkey shoot.

Then you'll be at the head of the line to volunteer, right?. Let us know what your MOS is.

---max

17 posted on 08/03/2002 6:18:10 PM PDT by max61
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To: max61
Then you'll be at the head of the line to volunteer, right?. Let us know what your MOS is.

Too old. But I've got a nephew who will go in, and he wants to go.

Don't you have to learn the words to "Kumbaya" or something?

18 posted on 08/03/2002 6:22:59 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: max61
You see, our administration was heading toward to isolationism, believe it or not. President Bush was about to reduce our role as the World's cop.

But September 11 changed everything because as you see, there are crazy radical muslim terrorists who want to end our way of life as it is.

3,000 Americans already died. Have they died in vain? Saddam is supporting terrorist organizations in Israel. Americans are dying there too. Have they died in vain?

19 posted on 08/03/2002 6:23:39 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: sinkspur
US and British forces will cut through Iraq like a knife through butter

Right,.......The British forces ALWAYS "go in" FIRST!

21 posted on 08/03/2002 6:27:49 PM PDT by maestro
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To: max61
As I expected, it's always the libertarian who's first to use vulgarities.

No wonder you guys can't win any elections.

22 posted on 08/03/2002 6:29:30 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Pokey78
I was polled today--"Should we strike first"

Yes I said, and the first missle should go to its' target through Klink.

23 posted on 08/03/2002 6:29:39 PM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: Hank Kerchief
I did volunteer(enlist)over 60 years ago--and then spent over 5 years of my life serving this Nation when she needed me and those like me---if you want to enjoy the fruits of freedom, sometimes you have to 'pay up' for them---I trust my President to know what to do for the protections of all, even the 'peaceniks' who want others to fight for them--we used to call them "yellowbellies"--what are they now?
24 posted on 08/03/2002 6:30:16 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: Hank Kerchief; max61
Hoping that a person's children die probably makes YOU feel good. But what a sick comment. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Nice going. Really really contributed to this thread.
25 posted on 08/03/2002 6:32:06 PM PDT by justshe
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To: maestro
Right,.......The British forces ALWAYS "go in" FIRST!

We went in first in Afghanistan. But, hey, maybe they'll flip a coin.

Or, maybe they'll go in together.

The Brits damn sure didn't go in first in 1991.

26 posted on 08/03/2002 6:33:15 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: max61
I served in the U.S. Marine Corps and my MOS was 5937 (Aviation Radio Repairman). If the Marine Corps needs this 40-year-old to re-up to fight Iraq, all they have to do is send me the draft notice. I still got my uniforms up in the attic.
27 posted on 08/03/2002 6:35:18 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Pokey78
It is so unfair that the US has a near monopoly on high tech weapons, and seems to win wars these days with very low casualties. Is there any equity in that? If I believed what I read from some here at FR about the emerging US police state, my angst that it would be spread across the globe by dint of force would keep me up at nights. But as it is, I sleep soundly at night, and most days (excepting those where a judge screws me) I am suffused with joy, both macro and micro. I must be a sociopath or something.
28 posted on 08/03/2002 6:40:11 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pokey78
Look for it around January.

If I am not mistaken that was the month the ground offensive stepped off in 91.

30 posted on 08/03/2002 6:43:41 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Hank Kerchief; Admin Moderator
How dare you say such a thing.

If you dont like the idea of war with Iraq then make it known but your remark was completely asinine and uncalled for.

31 posted on 08/03/2002 6:46:10 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: yendu bwam
I dunno, man. I say sneak attack. Moonless night. Special Ops. Stealth bombers. Cruise missles. Decapitating strike.

This notion of giving Saddam months to disperse forces, incl missles targeted on Tel Aviv, and to distribute nerve agents and small pox to his terrorist buddies, has me really, really nervous. Even giving him weeks is, at this point, extremely dangerous IMHO.

The downside? If we go without getting all our ducks in a row, internationally speaking, we (the U.S.) could get stuck with paying the full bill. It'll be something like 20 to 30 billion (including the one to five years of sheparding and security that will have to be provided to the new government).

34 posted on 08/03/2002 6:48:30 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I'm ready to go and so is my 16 year old son.

I'm sure that you never met a joint you didn't smoke. I've met your kind before.

You disgust me!!!

Good, I'm glad your ready, you can join me on duty. Maybe I'll paint your name on a 500 pounder, would that make you happy?.

To call you a sheep would insult the animal.

---max

35 posted on 08/03/2002 6:49:28 PM PDT by max61
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hank,

Your response was so strange, I was going to respond. But first, I wanted to read from where you were coming from. I went to your home page and saw...nothing.

I then did a search by your name. I see that your reponses although thoughtful and intellegent, seem to be narrow in focus.

I trust you have personal reasons for not supporting a war, I wonder if it is this war, or all wars. Is there anything you feel is valuable enough to risk your life for?

Devotion to duty, honor and country are abstract concepts, but men have died for less. If possible, I would join the force in the coming battle in Iraq. I would be willing to fight, and yes die, so you sir could stay home and scold those that go in your place.

After all, I did it before, I could do it again.

38 posted on 08/03/2002 6:51:54 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: cmotormac44
we used to call them "yellowbellies"--what are they now?

Libertarians, apparently.

39 posted on 08/03/2002 6:52:09 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: another cricket
The President cannot declare War.

I don't think the British press knows that. Of course, I am not sure the American press does either.

Hmm, maybe he can?

40 posted on 08/03/2002 6:54:05 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: max61
Then you'll be at the head of the line to volunteer, right?. Let us know what your MOS is.

I volunteered specifically because of Desert Storm in 1990. Gave up a good job and left behind a wife who was carrying my baby. MOS- 11 Series, specifically 11C- I refused the recruiter's non-combat job offers.

Why? Do you reckon nobody out there is willing to put their money where there mouth is? Others in my family before me volunteered for Viet Nam and others served in WWII and I imagine in other wars as well. I would expect my son to do the same and I hope when he gets old enough, I HOPE if his country needs him he will be the first in line at the recruiter's office- even if it kills him.

There are worse fates than death and there are worse ways to die than in the service of your country and I would rather see my son fall in defense of his country and freedom than sitting placidly on an airliner as Jihadis fly it into a building. Besides that- we have a totally volunteer military and they are not children. They have made their own choices in this matter and what their parents think is not really an issue. Would it make you feel different if the members of the military took a vote on the issue and they decided "YES! We might die, but we want to do this thing"? What would you say then? "Oh well they decided they want to- I guess it's ok"?

Police officers and firefighters put their asses on the line daily too- I NEVER hear anybody bitch about that. Peaceniks should be picketing City Halls across America demanding that their little boys and girls not be sent out into the dangerous crime ridden streets- it's the same thing. They're out there facing down a danger so you don't have to and instead of railing against the process, you might honor their sacrifice a bit, weep for the ones that fall and keep them as heroes always in the Valhalla of your memories and heart- that's all a warrior asks.

41 posted on 08/03/2002 6:54:48 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: max61
Your "I'm too old" is a the typically convenient excuse reserved for cowards and armchair generals. You'd wash out after three days anyway.

You're so funny. Grouchy, surly, angry, touchy, panties-always-in-a-wad, but funny.

42 posted on 08/03/2002 6:54:56 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: All
Good thread here on 'disruptors'. Might want to check out before playing their game. In-House War: For at least one, the goal was to drive people away
43 posted on 08/03/2002 6:57:06 PM PDT by justshe
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To: max61
Your post #33:

I've read angry comments here; I've read idiotic comments here; I've even read vulgar comments here. But until your post #33 ...I never read a comment from an angry, vulgar, idiot.

44 posted on 08/03/2002 6:59:12 PM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: SamAdams76
If the Marine Corps needs this 40-year-old to re-up to fight Iraq, all they have to do is send me the draft notice.

What? Earlier today you were retiring, now you want to head off to Iraq? Which is it man? The golf cart or the Humvee? ;)

J

45 posted on 08/03/2002 6:59:34 PM PDT by J. L. Chamberlain
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To: sinkspur
This isn't a war. It's gonna be a turkey shoot.

Maybe. Or maybe Saddam starts attacking our few forces in the region as soon as we say we're coming. In which case he could do them a lot of damage; he hasn't got much quality but he does have numbers and to cite a famous axiom, "Quantity has a quality all its own."

46 posted on 08/03/2002 7:00:15 PM PDT by Grut
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To: max61
To call you a sheep would insult the animal.

You don't know a thing about me except that I am very opinionated.

Unlike a sheep or your favorite, a weasel, I'd prefer to be compared to a wolverine.

As for golfing somewhere in Florida.......I was an assistant pro 30 years ago. I'll bet I could beat you using a five iron and a putter! :>)

47 posted on 08/03/2002 7:02:20 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Hank Kerchief
And you post in the religion forum?

Wishing someone's kids to be killed is reason enough to remove someone's account. Please don't do that again. Thanks, AM

48 posted on 08/03/2002 7:02:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: max61
The crazy fundamentalists got 43 million dollars last May off Mr Powell and we knew at that stage exactly what sort of scum they were by then and what their regime was like,then something went a little sour...anybody who'd care to look with a good search engine can ascertain the basic storyline from reputable sources,most that did and posted it have been banned from this site...by all means go over there and have a turkeyshoot,yes Saddams probably a danger but Id have to say you'd have to be seriously stupid not to consider Syria,China,Korea and others joining the fray in some form or another,between all those COSCO containers from communist china unchecked,CIA trained arabs wandering over the borders,etc etc Id say you'd have to be seriously stupid not to expect major trouble in the US,and it is expected FEMA's current mission is coming up to speed in the tent city department.
49 posted on 08/03/2002 7:04:33 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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To: max61
Thank you for your service. Our country is endebted to people like you.

But please stop with the personal attacks. They are not welcome here. Thanks, AM

50 posted on 08/03/2002 7:05:44 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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