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Tape reveals firefighters reached crash zone in WTC
USAToday ^ | 08.03.2002 | AP

Posted on 08/04/2002 8:21:50 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK (AP) A tape of emergency radio transmissions on Sept. 11 shows that firefighters reached the burning 78th floor of the south tower where the jetliner sliced through, nearly 30 floors higher than officials had estimated.

Four people who have listened to the tape said at least two firefighters reached the crash site and were helping the injured, The New York Times reported for Sunday editions.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: attacks; sept112001; wtc
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1 posted on 08/04/2002 8:21:50 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
Not sure how this wound up under "Government" or if you want it there. Still not sure how to get posts into specific areas that aren't listed under "highlights" when you chose a topic. Thanks.
2 posted on 08/04/2002 8:24:42 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Amen!!
3 posted on 08/04/2002 8:25:14 AM PDT by Mfkmmof4
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I shudder to think of what they saw on those destroyed floors before they perished
4 posted on 08/04/2002 8:31:22 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
It was love, unselfishness and concern that pushed men carrying a hundred pounds up that many flights of stairs that quickly. Just men, trying to do their best, and showing the rest of us what "best" means.
5 posted on 08/04/2002 8:33:33 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

6 posted on 08/04/2002 8:35:53 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
It seems absurd to suggest that a voice recording of firefighters is relevant to the questions of whether ZM is guilty.
7 posted on 08/04/2002 8:37:21 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: MissAmericanPie
men, trying to do their best, and showing the rest of us what "best" means.

beautifully put

8 posted on 08/04/2002 8:41:59 AM PDT by attagirl
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
A time to cry still when reading about these brave men, about all the innocents who were massacred that black day by Arab Muslim terrorist swine.
9 posted on 08/04/2002 8:46:05 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: Thud
A NY Fire Department in action on 9/11 ping!
10 posted on 08/04/2002 8:50:30 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Beelzebubba
I was wondering how they will tie it in as well. Could a terrorist have survived up there and his voice heard on the tape (I don't think so)? That thought is beyond a stretch, but I am not sure the significance to the trial either, since they have enough other info to hang him and others.

Aside from that, it just confirms and extends the heroics of these brave, selfless Americans.

12 posted on 08/04/2002 8:53:39 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: KantianBurke
I shudder to think of what they saw on those destroyed floors before they perished

I'll bet they saw work to be done. Imagine the kind of man who can run up 78 floors in full gear, half again as fast as anyone imagined, and then think, "Now I can start to work."

13 posted on 08/04/2002 8:55:32 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
It's going to be hard to weed out the ones associated with terrorism. Bush was right in his speech the week after the attack: this is not your conventional "war", and will not be won overnight, and may not have the same obvious results of having "won" a war at all. Unseen battles, unseen victories. I trust him. I wish the media would crawl back in their holes and shut their pieholes. /rant
14 posted on 08/04/2002 8:56:01 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: WaterDragon
(sarcasm) We mustn't generalize. It could have been Laplanders and their rheindeer!
15 posted on 08/04/2002 8:59:05 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I'm not clear, exactly, on who was doing the recording, and where the recorder was. Anyone know?
16 posted on 08/04/2002 9:27:06 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I'm not clear, exactly, on who was doing the recording, and where the recorder was. Anyone know?

I would assume that 911 dispatchers have recorders going on all conversations between rescue workers and anyone talking with them.

17 posted on 08/04/2002 9:38:11 AM PDT by Mrs. P
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Unseen battles, unseen victories. I trust him.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I will never forget the TV clip of GW in the Oval Office the night of 9/11...choking up when he stammers out how the hijackers cut the stewardess's throat...he said incredulously that they had 'cut a woman's throat'...I believe that this act drove home the concept of evil on a very personal level for GW--his eyes, his voice, his whole manner revealed his abhorance at the casual murder of a woman...he became one of us for me at that very moment--he will not betray us--I believe that he loves this country and her people as much as I do and that he is a man first and a politician second.

18 posted on 08/04/2002 10:33:55 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: Mrs. P
But in the article it states the tape was found in the rubble. That's why I'm confused.

Thanks, though :)
19 posted on 08/04/2002 10:47:57 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I was going to blame the AP for the omission, because they are notorious for leaving out important details, but none of our local papers reveal that important "where" either (although the NY Times has a very good account of what is actually ON the tape itself).

This would be a great place for a real NYC fireman to step in and tell us how & where the recording of the radio transmissions is usually handled. I'm tempted to guess that the recording setup is in a truck or van (remembering all the crushed vehicles at the periphery of the site), and that the vehicle might have protected the equipment to some extent. I don't see how it could have survived if it had been inside either of the towers or inside #7. Tape melts pretty easily.

21 posted on 08/04/2002 11:17:26 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
This would be a great place for a real NYC fireman to step in and tell us how & where the recording of the radio transmissions is usually handled.

I'm not FDNY, but I'm pretty sure those recordings were made on machines within the towers themselves. Due to all that steel and concrete, the Department's walkie-talkie radios (which tend to suck even under perfect conditions) didn't have the power to reach outside the building on their own. So a number of repeaters (with recorders built in somewhere along the line) were installed inside 1 & 2 WTC themselves every X number of floors up, which allowed transmissions from outside to penetrate in all the way to the 110th floor, and vice versa. But something happened at some point (crash damage or something) that caused the repeaters to stop working, at least above a certain number of floors. So the firemen above a certain level could only communicate with each other, not anyone below or outside, but the tape kept rolling.

As for the potential of tape melting, I believe the recorders were put in "black boxes" at least as strong as those in your average Boeing, if not more so.

22 posted on 08/04/2002 1:38:05 PM PDT by Timesink
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