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Stop Bush's 'Wag the Dog' Invasion of Iraq, Democrats Urge (Vomit Bag Material)
CNS NEWS.COM ^ | 8-5-02 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 08/05/2002 7:47:42 AM PDT by KLT

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To: Commie Basher; fod; OWK
Thanks fer the clarification, CB...I, too, consider myself to be a libertarian, despite Harry (what a nut!!) Browne's ridiculous anti-American bastardization of the Libertarian Party's ideology!! But we seem to disagree about the feasibility of America's cordoning ourselves off from the rest of the planet. If it WAS possible, perhaps I'd even agree with you vis a vis the Axis of Evil, but probably not.

However, I do not agree with you on this issue...and that's fine, IMHO. I abhor the idea of America becoming the World's Policeman, but when Evil struck us on 9/11/01, we have no other option but to go after the Evil-doers and make them unable to do further damage. Iraq is, IMHO, a ticking time bomb that must be diffused and there ain't nobody else out there to do the diffusing!! Remember, my libertarian FRiend, Evil only flourishes when the Good stand by and do nothing. That might be Harry Browne's solution or Pat Buchanan's solution, but it ain't mine!!

libertarian FReegards...MUD

121 posted on 08/06/2002 9:56:30 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: BigWaveBetty
"I'd say anybody that's a GPGer is getting dangerously close to RATdom."

Personally, I've known a decent number of sincere conservatives who swore by Buchanan, but I increasingly convinced that a growing number of the folks who claim to have supported him are just like McStainiac RATS who have lost all credibility on this Forum.

FReegards...MUD

122 posted on 08/06/2002 10:09:23 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
but when Evil struck us on 9/11/01, we have no other option but to go after the Evil-doers and make them unable to do further damage. Iraq is, IMHO, a ticking time bomb that must be diffused and there ain't nobody else out there to do the diffusing!

We did go after Osama. He's dead, the Taliban gone. Mission accomplished. Time to declare victory and go home.

Our policy toward Iraq reminds me of the Aesop fable, the wolf and the lamb. They met by a stream, and the wolf made all sorts of accusations and excuses as to why the lamb had dissed him. The lamb was able to prove each one wrong, so the wolf simply shrugged it off and ate the lamb anyway.

Saddam may not be a cute lamb, but the US seems determined to attack, never mind the facts. No 9/11 connection was proven, so now we're using the "pre-emptive strike" excuse. How is he going to stirke? We've been bombing Saddam for over a decade. He can't fly his planes in most of Iraq. He's penned in.

Saddam may be bad, but he's down. He oppresses Kurds -- but so do the Turks -- our allies, over which we say nothing. Ticking time bomb? There are baddies all over the globe. I see no 9/11 connection -- only a determined effort to see something, anything, so we can attack.

123 posted on 08/06/2002 11:02:37 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: hchutch
Taking a stand against bad guys is NOT "playing favorites." ... I have no problem with intervening to stop the next Hitler BEFORE it reaches the proportions of World War II. Nor do I have problem with working with other nations to do that.

So pick up the current Soldier Of Fortune. Their classifieds should list dozens of armies seeking men like you, eager to fight the "next Hitler."

There are "next Hitlers" all over the globe. But America was founded as the "well-wisher of liberty to all, but the defender only of its own."

124 posted on 08/06/2002 11:08:18 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
Then please explain what Mr. Atta was discussing with that Iraqi intelligence agent during their meeting in Prague.

There's a chance it was a discussion about the NBA playoffs, major league baseball, the movies coming out that summer, the South Florida night life, or where one could get the best lap dances. I'll concede that. But it's about as likely as Jennifer Love Hewitt, Britney Spears, and Natalie Portman giving me phone calls because they are looking for dates this weekend.

There is a lot of circumstancial evidence pointing to IRaqi involvement in 9/11.
125 posted on 08/06/2002 11:09:26 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Commie Basher
Perhaps, but it is better to act sooner rather than later.

I do NOT accept the notion that we should just sit back and wait for things to happen. The situation had changed. The best way to defend our own liberty is to expand the sphere of liberty across the globe.
126 posted on 08/06/2002 11:17:44 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Mudboy Slim
LOL ! Undercover Brother...... Thanks, bump!
127 posted on 08/06/2002 1:32:48 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: KLT
Hey Meek, that is my all time favorite video, other then the one of Hitlery gettin booed off the stage....Thanks..

I don't suppose you have that or a link to the hitler video, do you?......
I didn't find it via Google Search. Correction, the one I found was a bad
link.....

128 posted on 08/06/2002 2:20:08 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Commie Basher
"No Sympathy Fer the Lib'rals!!"
(To be sung to the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil")

Please allow me to introduce the World...
To the Left, they feel no shame!
Been around here for forty long years...
Stole many a man's Hope and Faith!
Fascists in Power when Jesus Christ...
Bore our crosses and bore our pain.
Made damn sure our Savior...
Wouldn't threaten their Evil Reign!
Please believe me...Lib'rals are to blame!
Despite their righteous talk, more Power is their aim!!

They saw their chance in St. Petersburg,
When they saw the Monarchy had been shamed.
Killed the Czar and his ministers...
As well as any Man who could think!
They rode the tanks in Heil Hitler's ranks...
When the blitzkrieg raged and all Waco stank!
Please believe me...Socialists are to blame!
Oh, yeah! Bloody failures, yet, they seem oblivious to shame!

They cheered with glee helpin' Pol Pot succeed...
Led by Hanoi Jane, their hands are bloody-stained!
They shouted out, "Who killed the Left's Elite?"
While slaughterin' all who just wished to breathe free!
Let me please clarify myself, these Elites have wealth and "taste"...
But their attacks on Liberty...have become a National Disgrace!!

I swear to you, Democrats are to blame!
Oh yeah! But what's puzzlin' me is their arrogant lack of shame!
Ah, yeah!...Go out and get 'em, boys!!

(cool guitar jammin')

Please believe me, Slick's tyrants are to blame.
Oh yeah! But what's important now is the ending of Bill's reign!

'Cuz the Prez'dent's just a criminal...and all his critics Saints!
While I could call Slick "Lucifer," I'll exhibit some restraint!
When you see Slick, show due courtesy...
But have no sympathy, 'cuz Bill's a snake!
Condemn all his corrupt politics, or be ashamed to show your face!!

Pleased to meet you...Mudboy Slim's my name!
Uhm, yeah! Bringin' Clinton down is why I must serenade.
Uhmm, I mean it...Get out...Yeehah...Resign!...Get on out, BOY! Ah, yeah!

Tell you Country, Lib'rals are their name.
Tell you, voters, it's something you can change!
Tell us, Willie, where's your shame?!
Tell you one thing, Slick's to blame!!
Ooh Hoo! Ooh Hoo! Wahoo! Alright! Ooh Hoo Ooh! Ooh Hoo Ooh! Ah yeah!

MUDBOY SLIM

129 posted on 08/06/2002 3:11:42 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: hchutch
Then please explain what Mr. Atta was discussing with that Iraqi intelligence agent during their meeting in Prague.

And didn't Le Monde report that the CIA met Osama in a Paris hospital in July? Wanna explain that?

Don't bother. By now, everyone and every nation has been "connected" to 9/11, and no one and no nation. It's down to who you want to believe. Many Americans believe anything a Dem leader says, others believe anything a GOP leader says. I mistrust the State, no matter who's in office.

But don't worry. You'll get your war, even without my support. I'm sure you'll enjoy watching another "turkey shoot" on CNN. The State will tell you that it is good, and you'll believe it, like a good little citizen.

130 posted on 08/06/2002 8:43:22 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: hchutch
hchutch and the majority of Americans speak in the same accord. To reiterate for the Go-Pat-Go crowds(rather small at that) here's post number 63 again. This is directed to all the edmund929's in this thread as well:
I'm sick and tired of reading posts by freepers who support the war plans drawn up by old fossil Washington bureaucrats that will send our young volunteer armed forces to fight in a foreign land for reasons that many of them cannot agree on.

Why? Perhaps you'd care to write some advisory notes to SOD Rumsfeld, school political neophite Cheney on the merits of the Bush foreign policy? Are you suggesting that it is our "old fossil Washington bureacrats" that they are divided on the reasons we are conducting the WOT? If so, don't insult American or the families of the 3,000 that were taken from us on our own soil! If you were suggesting in your above statement that it is our "young volunteer armed forces" that are divided on the reasons they risk their lives in defense of this great nation, then shame, shame, shame. This is not Vietnam, sir. You are not fit to set foot upon the ground these heroes walk. Maybe your statement was simply not clear enough and you were really expressing concern over recent reports that there is an upper echelon division over strategy concerning the toppling of Saddam. In which case, you, sir, drank the coolaid. This is not "the Gulf" all over again. There is purpose in the Bush administration's portrayal of a divided house---DISINFORMATION

Would you rather us sit back and literally do nothing(like the Clinton years?) until the time comes when our families suffer the massive destruction that has been promised us? Would you rather we not effectively prosecute the WOT by leaving in power a chief terrorist state dictator who has known ties and links to terrorists internationally and the attacks on 9 11? Have you seen the site where the towers once stood? The Pentagon? Does it not strike you the imminency and urgency to return fire in defense of liberty and freedom where a foe would have us destroyed for these simple, yet meaningful words?

Bring back the draft and draft the sons of these Ivy league ba$tard$ as well as the sons of the CEO's who run the industrial/military complex and bankers who profit from a war.

Respectfully, your statement here smacks of isolationism, class envy,liberal anti-establishment and anti-Vietnam attitudes of the late 60's and 70's. If you have lost a loved one in Vietnam, I am sorry for your loss. BUT, this is not Vietnam or Panama or Korea or WWII, for that matter. In WWII, more men were lost than should've been due to fence-sitting, isolationist attitudes like those transparent in this post.

We are not launching a war here, edmund929. We have been attacked and, in fact, war had been declared on the US at least as early as the first WTC bombing in '93. We are responding to this declaration of war with the smartest possible way to win a war and that, for the US, is taking out our enemies, aggressively eviscerating terrorists and the nation states that support them of the ability to due so, thereby, ensuring the future of liberty and freedom FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

As for the draft-there will be no need for the draft in the foreseeable future. If the President of the United States calls on the able-bodied men and women of this country to enlist in defense of this country(traslate-Unlce Sam needs the whole family), I predict you will see enlistment numbers rival and possibly surpass the numbers seen in the US in WWII.

So, in total, the attitudes so thinly veiled behind your post are devisive, sophmoric and insulting-to me, this country, her citizens and our brave freedom fighters.

God Bless America and those will would fight to see her through!


131 posted on 08/08/2002 9:03:18 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: Freemeorkillme
To me, it's a lot more simple:

We CANNOT co-exist with the Jihad faction of Islam. We CANNOT reach an accomodation with them. IT'S US OR THEM!!!
132 posted on 08/08/2002 9:06:06 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Commie Basher
Sorry, but standing by and letting these folks continue on without trying to stop them now.

I will turn to the words of Winston Churchill on this: "Still if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
133 posted on 08/08/2002 9:09:57 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: KLT
Let them worship the unworshipable. Enough of keeping America in chains. Dems can go to hell.
134 posted on 08/08/2002 9:11:34 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: MeeknMing
Clinton, the man who acted on terrorists only to teach them our war tactics and how to counter them.
135 posted on 08/08/2002 9:12:36 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Clinton, the man who acted on terrorists only to
teach them our war tactics and how to counter them.

Yep! You may have already seen post #100?.............

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/727917/posts?page=100#100

136 posted on 08/08/2002 11:36:56 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
I did not, but it read my mind about my worst fears. Clinton had to be programmed. It's like he never screwed up in his screwing us.
137 posted on 08/08/2002 12:40:11 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: MeeknMing
The former vice president also suggested that political correctness played a key role in allowing the 9-11 hijackers to elude U.S. anti-terror watchdogs

It should read

LEFT WING PROSELYTISM

Not just mere PC.
138 posted on 08/08/2002 12:43:31 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: MeeknMing
It is so transparent. Is the sheeple's eyes only in their nose?
139 posted on 08/08/2002 12:44:48 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
It's like he never screwed up in his screwing us.

Yep, and he still is. I wish he'd crawl back under the rock he came from.



140 posted on 08/08/2002 2:29:59 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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