Born Alive Infants Protection Act

FOXNews | 8/5/02 | Vets_Husband_and_Wife

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I'm frustrated about all that too.. but I also realize that this President has had more on his plate than any President in history. Thanks in large part to the very incompetent people you mention. And least we not forget, the mess he inherited from the previous admin.

I think his hands have been extremely full. And overall, considering the magnitude of problems he has encountered since even running against the corrupt admin/Gore (because Gore WAS part of the previous admin and is responsible too) he is doing a pretty dang good job.

Our prayers for his success go out to him and his administration. I shudder to imagine what we would be encountering had we a different administration. We are extremely blessed to have so many experienced people in offices that required them KNOWING what to do.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

That is so sad. I really feel for that young father. He just watched his child be murdered and could DO nothing. It is grotesque!

[NYer]

I really feel for that young father.

The mother doesn't realize it yet, but she will be haunted by this for the rest of her life.

Three lives destroyed, needlessly. My prayers go out to all of them.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I sure wish it had gone further. But at least this President is "educating" in a different way than the previous admin. It seems during the Clintons tenure, that even mentioning a child/baby had a right to live, was an abomination! Twisted logic.

Evil logic.

But as this administration starts to enlighten people to the rights of the unborn but living, it will be de-programming the brainwashing that has gone on for decades now about a womans rights, over a babies.

Perhaps young women and men will realize what they are REALLY doing. It is murder, plain and simple. All in the name of birth control and selfishness.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

My prayers go out to all of them.

You are right. She has been a pawn. And she will be sorry she did this. It is a decision she will live with the rest of her life. When she realizes as life goes on, that if she had only given up 10 mos of her time, the child who was going to come, could have lived. When she see's the photo's of little tiny babies in the womb.. she will realize the magnitude of what she has done, and I think the 10 mos of her time she wasn't willing to give up, will haunt her forever. Every time she see's a little boy or girl who would have been her childs age, she will feel remorse. She does have my prayers. God Forgive her. God protect that poor young man who tried so hard to save his child.

[Aquinasfan]

The fact that 25 Democrats voted against this in the House tells me that the Democrats have lost all morality.

This bill has two important aspects. First, much of the couch potato republic will realize for the first time that abortion clinics kill babies born alive. Secondly, much of the couch potato republic will realize that there are people (including elected representatives) who have no problem with killing babies even outside the womb.

[Aquinasfan]

A judge Monday overturned his unusual decision that temporarily barred a woman from having an abortion, allowing her to end her pregnancy.

Thanks judge. Goldenstategirl posted this on a related thread. This story's for you:

This reminds of something I experienced as a pediatric ER nurse. It had such an effect on me I will never forget it. We had a 15 yo girl come in with her mother. The girl had just had an abortion. She was screaming, sobbing. It was the kind of grief a person feels when they have done something so horrible and can never take it back. All she could do was cry "I killed my baby, I killed my baby." It affected every one of us there very deeply. There was nothing 'physically' wrong with her and our ER doc didn't know what to do. She was upset and had to leave the room. My friend and I just looked at each other while another nurse (pro-abort who probably had an abortion herself) went into the room and tried to tell the girl that "it was no big deal". The 15 yo screamed louder and that nurse finally ran out of the room. I called the social worker. She got there, became agitated, and left. I later learned that the social worker had had an abortion as a teenager and freaked out. I called pastoral care. No one wanted to show up. It was just me and my co-worker outside the door and neither of us knew what to do. The 15 yo's mother just sat there in the room the whole time with a blank look on her face. Finally, our doctor just discharged her.

I will never, ever forget that patient.

[OldFriend]

Evidently you feel that prosecuting clinton has a higher priority than saving babies lives.

[TheEngineer]

Nevertheless, the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL) attacked the bill after its original introduction in 2000. In a July 20, 2000 statement, NARAL said the bill would "effectively grant legal personhood to a pre-viable fetus “in direct conflict with Roe [v. Wade]."

I wonder how NARAL will spin it now?... "So, Ms. Naral, does the passage of this bill mean that we have "legal personhood" for pre-viable fetus's?... That's what you said back in July 2000?"

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

Thank you for this post. The Born Alive legislation is very important and significant. One small step - but a step - as you say - towards recognizing the right of children to live!

Those involved with abortion are damaged and only the grace of God can bring relief and healing. The NARAL people who claim to be "prochoice" are just the opposite, as we all know. If they were prochoice - which implies to many being "pro woman" - they would want women to know the facts of ther risks both phycial and emotional to THEMSELVES before an abortion is done. If they were "pro women" they would not want UNBORN BABY GIRLS to be aborted - that is about as anti-women as you can be. What the NARAL people are = they are pro death and anti-children, antibabies - and anti women and anti men - because all are affected one way or another.

The Ban on Partial birth abortions has passed the House (as it did several times under the Clinton administration. President Bush would gladly sign it too.

But, there is Senator Prodeath Daschle who stands in the way of that bill becoming law. There is only one way to end partial birth abortion in this country - TAKE DASCLE'S POWER AWAY - ELECT REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO WILL STAND UP AGAINST THIS ATROCITY THAT IS KILLING, LITERALLY, THE HEART AND SOUL OF AMERICA - GIVE THE REPUBLICANS A MAJORITY AND THAT HORRIFIC ATROCITY WILL BE ENDED IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF 2003!

[Ravenstar]

Don't be so absurd. The signing of a bill that passed both the House and the Senate does not take alot of time out of his day to do. It just says that he has SOME principles.

When all it would take is telling his Attorney General to vigorously investigate the pardons for cash deal etc. etc. then I can fault him for not pursuing that. I applaud his signing of the bill but that does not mean I must therefore ignore something else that comes down to what moral principles he holds. Killing babies is wrong but so is bribery. Taking care of one should, and does not, get in the way of taking care of the other. He has shown great reticence in pursuing Slick Willie and multiple criminal behaviors. If your kid saved the pet dog from being mauled by the local Pitbull but he kicked a hole in the wall of his room are you still going to only praise him? The answer is he has personal responsibility to make both situations right!

Ravenstar

[B-bone]

The fact that 25 Democrats voted against this in the House tells me that the Democrats have lost all morality.

Just another example that there isn't a dimes bit of difference between the two parties or between Bush/Gore being elected president. </ sarcasm>

[yendu bwam]

Just another example that there isn't a dimes bit of difference between the two parties or between Bush/Gore being elected president. </ sarcasm>

This was a defining issue for me. To think that killing alive, born babies could be condoned. It's like the Holocaust, in our own country.

[sanchmo]

Senator Barbara Boxer's bizarre concept of Birth

Santorum: "I ask the senator from California, again, you believe you said 'once the baby comes home.' Obviously, you don't mean they have to take the baby out of the hospital for it to be protected by the Constitution. Once the baby is separated from the mother, you would agree completely separated from the mother you would agree that baby is entitled to constitutional protection?"

Boxer: "I will tell you why I don't want to engage in this. You had the same conversation with a colleague of mine, and I never saw such a twisting of his remarks."

Santorum: "Let me be clear, then. Let's try to be clear."

Boxer: "I am going to be clear when I get to the floor. What you are trying to do is take away the rights of women and their families and their doctors to have a procedure. And now you are trying to turn the question into: When does life begin? I will talk about that on my own time."

Santorum: "What I am trying to do is get an answer from the senator from California as to where you would draw the line because that really is the important part of this debate."

Boxer: ". . . The answer to the question is, I stand by Roe v. Wade. I stand by it. . . . It is very clear, Roe v. Wade. That is what I stand by." Santorum: "Are you suggesting Roe v. Wade covered the issue of a baby in the process of being born?"

Santorum: "Let's define that. Let's say the baby is completely separated; in other words, no part of the baby is inside the mother."

Boxer: "You mean the baby has been birthed and is now in the mother's arms? It is a human being? It takes a second; it takes a minute "

Santorum: "Say it is in the obstetrician's hands." Boxer: "I had two babies, and within seconds of them being born "

Santorum: "We had six."

Boxer: "You didn't have any."

Santorum: "My wife and I did. We do things together in my family."

Boxer: "Your wife gave birth. . . ."

Santorum: ". . . So I ask the question of the senator from California, if the baby was born except for the baby's foot if the baby's foot was still inside the mother but the rest of the baby was outside, could the baby be killed?"

Boxer: "The baby is born when the baby is born."

Santorum: "What we are talking about here with partial birth, as the senator from California knows, is the baby in the process of being born "

Boxer: "In the process of being born. That is why this conversation makes no sense, because to me it is obvious when a baby is born; to you it isn't obvious. . . ."

Santorum:

"If the head is inside the mother, you can kill the baby."

Boxer "My friend is losing his temper."

She never answered, but proceeded to complain that Santorum was trying to "bait" her, and that she has no interest engaging in a discussion "on when someone is born."

[Marysecretary]

And this surprises you, yendu? I'd be surprised if 25 voted for it! Let's hope this leads to more of these kinds of signed bills by our presidente. I'm all for it.

[Marysecretary]

Yeah, it does give one something to chuckle about at the end of a hot day! Inch by inch it's a cinch. Yard by yard it's too hard. We'll take the inches for now....

[agrace]

Partial birth abortion ban just passed the House (again) on 7/24. Now it's to the Senate, where it probably won't even get a vote, thanks to Daschle. And if it does, I'd be surprised to see it pass. Too bad, because I really think Bush would sign it into law, while it was vetoed twice by Clinton. GRR!!!

Anyway, this is good news regardless. But tainted by bad from PA - a judge there just overturned a temporary injuction barring an abortion sought by a woman whose ex-boyfriend is trying to keep his child alive. Unreal. We expect men to support a child financially if a woman decides to give birth, but give the father no rights whatsoever in preventing an abortion.

[Redleg Duke]

You must be mistakened. After all, on another thread, we have all of the good little Brigadeers and Brownies ranting about how the President isn't a conservative!

[Redleg Duke]

If a woman threatens to kill herself if she carries her child full term, let her deliver and give her a damned knife and save all of us a headache!

I am totally fed up with this liberal cult of death and blood sacrifice on the alter of careless and selfish promiscuity!

[Redleg Duke]

Sadly, you are a part of the whine about anything party, finding fault in anything that is done.

You have a full measure of pity to go with an equally full measure of contempt. You are as much a part of the problem as the liberals.