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Nazi ally, Hajj Amin Al Husseini, is Arafat's “hero”
Palestinian Media Watch Bulletin | Augustus 05 2002 | Itamar Marcus

Posted on 08/05/2002 11:50:10 AM PDT by knighthawk

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To: freeforall
Actually, the chacterization of the Grand Mufti is quite accurate. For a fuller appreciation of the Grand Mufti's pro-Nazi efforts, please read George Lepre's "Hitler's Bosnian Division" (about the 13th SS Mountain Division - a Muslim formation raised in Bosnia, Croatia and Albania), Antonio Munoz's "Lions of the Desert" (about Arab volunteers in the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS) or Franz Kurowski's "The Brandenbergers" (covers German special forces operations during WW II, with much detail on the Middle East).
51 posted on 08/07/2002 10:19:12 AM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: freeforall
For details on the Nazi's seizure of industrial assets, Ian Kershaw's two volume biography of Hitler covers the topic nicely. Alan Bullock's "Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives" also does an excellent job.

Foreign and domestic industrial assets were seized and incorporated into the Hermann Goering Reichswerks. Ironically, the Thyssen family, one of the few German industrial families to proactively support the Nazis in their early days, were the first to have their family company seized by Goering's cronies in the economics ministry.

Remember, the Nazis were on a crusade against what they called the twin evils of Zionism: Bolshevism and Capitalism. They were no fans of private industry, although election politics limited their seizures until the late 1930s.

52 posted on 08/07/2002 10:29:06 AM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: sleavelessinseattle; knighthawk; mseltzer
Guess who else this grand mufti visited to encourage their alliance with the nazis.....the bosnian muslims...YES, they along with the croatians and albanians were nazi allies in WWII against Jews, Serbs and Romas.... 800,000 of those people were murdered by the croatian nazis alone.

In an interesting turn of events...Hitler promised them ALL that as his allies they would have their "own" countries...and by the way...he promised the Albanians, all of Kosovo and other parts of Yugoslavia.

Looks as if they all GOT their promised goods...just took a little longer than they had expected.

And, the Albanians are still working( terrorist activities in Macedonia and Presevo Valley, Serbia) to get the rest of the land that hitler promised to them.

53 posted on 08/07/2002 1:09:53 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Tropoljac; andy_card; branicap; mseltzer; stella
Your precious croatian nazis almost killed an American Airman friend of my Dad's, when he was shot down over CROATIA during WWII. YOUR PEOPLE WERE NAZI ALLIES AND PROUD TO BE SO!!!! That's why your people ALWAYS sing, "THANK YOU GERMANY"!!

That little pissant country of yours, WHO WAS ALLIED WITH GERMANY .... very willingly, GLADLLY operated a concentration camp called jasenovac....and murdered thousands of Jews, Romas and Serbs.

LOOK, CANADIAN CROATIAN, If you do not STOP dening the holocaust that occurred because YOUR PRECIOUS CROATIA, NAZI ALLIE THAT IT WAS, very willing murdered over 800,000 JEWS, SERBS AND ROMAS....well, you will be known as a "holocaust denier and a nazi apologist".

Why don't you just give up....you live in a place in Canada that is known for it unrepentant old croatian nazis that fled through the ratlines to get away from that CROATIAN COMMIE, TITO and whatever revenge he was going to dish out to croatian nazis!!.

Belgrade was leveled by the nazi airforce because it was NOT an allie of Germany. Yugoslavia, not Croatia, was an occupied country and its people saved OVER 500 American airmen from the nazis....and their special little brothers, the CROATIANS.

Is that nazi croatian ante pavlic, still one of your heroes? Nevermind....we know already.

56 posted on 08/07/2002 5:55:32 PM PDT by crazykatz
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National Review had an interesting article about this. Hitler had no use for the Arabs, putting them one step above the Jews on his "racial ladder".

However, he saw the political necessity of having Arabs as his allies against the Brits and the US in North Africa, so he took that offensive part out when the book was marketed in Arabia.

57 posted on 08/07/2002 6:00:00 PM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: crazykatz
Thanks for the ping...Nice to meet you...please don't get so hostile...I have decided not to encourage flame wars its too unpleasant to get into the facts of a thread through the noise...(Although it is fun!;-)
58 posted on 08/07/2002 7:01:53 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: Tropoljac; crazykatz
It seems to me that there is no end to your hypocrisy,dear "Canadian"!

Just like the rest of your "pro-Ustasha" clan on this site you`re an expert in "lateral thinking" and abuse of history!What you people do is a unbeleivable!!!

Now,I know the truth!Aleluja!What a discovery!Croatia was occupied by Germans and Italians!!!Nice one.Just like Serbia ,right?!

And,Serbia was a German friend,to?"Yugoslavia must be dismembered and Serbia destroyed once and for all",Adolf Hitler.Serbia was dismembered,(almost the same situation today).Bulgarians took the east ,Hungarians Vojvodina,Albanians Kosovo...and the occupation imposed on Serbia was terrible!Serbs did not have SS divisions(Serbian) like your beloved Ustashe,or Muslims in Bosnia or Kosovo Albanians!They fought the Germans,both as partizans or Royalists!And,when you mentioned Ljotich and Nedich,their people were very smal minority and their troops were organised as a Gendarmes responsible for the internal security and almost never seen the combat!

They certanly were not engaged in rounding the Croats and puting them under knife,like you did with Serbs,Jews and Gipsies!

It is always amazing how murderers want to be equal with their victims!

Germans had paid(more or less) for their crimes,you, Croats got away with it!And ,you still do!After all,fascism is dead all over the Europe...except in Croatia!

61 posted on 08/09/2002 6:37:19 AM PDT by branicap
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To: knighthawk; All
Here is my reply to the communist in post #47.As I have said this is taking place on another site.Enjoy
At the outbreak of the war foreign and domestic industrial assets were seized and incorporated into the Hermann Goering Reichswerks. Ironically, the Thyssen family, one of the few German industrial families to proactively support the Nazis in their early days, were the first to have their family company seized by Goering's cronies in the economics ministry.Obviously this help was not continued after the outbreak of the war.

Remember, the Nazis were on a crusade against what they called the twin evils of Zionism: Bolshevism and Capitalism. They were no fans of private industry, although election politics limited their seizures until the late 1930s

I think that it would be logical that they had severed contact once the assets were stolen, do you think the Germans in control of that plant or the German government was still making their payments to Ford or GM after declaring war on us? Can anybody believe that executives in north america were in contact with thier German counter-parts by phone, even, on a daily basis while the war raged?
For further reading on the Nazi's seizure of industrial assets, Ian Kershaw's two volume biography of Hitler covers the topic nicely. Alan Bullock's "Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives" also does an excellent job.
Let us put the larger picture in perspective, some thumbnail history is in order. Large numbers of Jews have been living in these territories since biblical times -- without interruption. Most of the Arabs living there are in fact relative newcomers. As the term "Palestine" is understood, it encompasses the entire area now covered by Israel including Judea/Samaria (the so-called "West Bank") and what is now the Kingdom of Jordan. It originally also included the Golan Heights. In 1922, totally contrary to the Mandate of the League of Nations, the British severed the entire area east of the Jordan River and gave it to the Hashemites as reward for their assistance in W War I. Thus, fully 75% of Palestine, all of which under the Mandate and under the terms of the Balfour declaration was meant to be a home for the Jewish people, was lost for that purpose. Only the area west of the Jordan River was left for the Jewish homeland

1947, after decades of strife between Arabs and Jews in the territories west of the Jordan River, the British had enough and relinquished the Mandate. The United Nations proposed a partition plan under which the country (west of the river) was to be divided into respective Arab and Jewish areas. Jerusalem was to be internationalized. The Jews accepted the plan; the Arabs refused it out of hand. In 1948, on the twice-truncated territory allotted to them by the United Nations, the Jews declared their independence and the state of Israel was born. On the same day, six Arab armies invaded the new-born state. In what can only be described as an almost biblical miracle, the ragged and poorly armed Jews defeated the six Arab armies, though at staggering cost in lives. When an armistice was finally secured, however, Transjordan remained in possession of Judea/Samaria (the "West Bank") and the eastern part of Jerusalem; Egypt remained in possession of the Gaza Strip. Transjordan promptly renamed itself Jordan.

Over 200,000 Jews now live there. And why shouldn't they? Why should the Arab countries and the "West Bank" be the only places in the world where Jews cannot live? How can 200,000 Jews living among one million Arabs be "an obstacle to peace"? And why does absolutely nobody care about how many Arabs "settle" in the "West Bank"? The over one million Arabs who live in Israel are citizens, enjoy every civil right, and have nothing to fear from the Jews. Nobody considers them an "obstacle to peace".
Jews have been living in Judea/Samaria since Biblical times. The area was made judenrein (free of Jews), following the Nazi model, by Jordan, when it was in possession of the territory. After 1967, Jews moved back into the territory and a great hullabaloo was raised and is still being raised about the not more than 200,000 "settlers," who do not occupy more than 2 percent of the area. But there is no concern about the hundreds of thousands of Arabs, who, lured by the prosperity of Israel, have flooded into the area, nor of the more than one million Arabs who live in Israel proper and who enjoy full rights of citizenship.
Israel acquired the territories (the "West Bank" and Gaza) in defense of an aggressive war waged against it. No country in history has ever been asked to return such territories. Do the Poles return the huge chunk of Germany that they acquired in the wake of World War II? Do the Czechs return the Sudetenland, do the French return Alsace-Lorraine? Of course not! Only Israel is being asked to return such territories. The last sovereign of the "West Bank" and of Gaza were the Ottomans. The "West Bank" and Gaza are unallocated territories.
The last sovereign in Judea/Samaria and in Gaza was the British mandatory power - and before it was the Ottoman Empire. All of Palestine, including what are now the Kingdom of Jordan and Gaza, was, by the Balfour Declaration, destined to be the Jewish National Home. How then could the Israelis possibly be "occupiers" in their own territory? Who would be the sovereign and who the rightful inhabitants?
Israel is an open and pluralistic society. Different religions, cultures, and social traditions co-exist. Protection of such diversity is embedded in Israel's traditions and confirmed by the government. About 20% of the population (over one million people) are non-Jews, most of them Arabs, and some Druze. Like all other Israeli citizens, they have full rights to vote and to hold elective office. Both Arabs and Druze hold seats in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament. Every Knesset, since the founding of the State in 1948, has had Arab and Druze members. All transactions in the Knesset are simultaneously translated into Arabic, and Arab members may address the Knesset in Arabic.
It is official policy of the Israeli government to foster the language, culture, and traditions of the Arab minority, in the educational system and in daily life. Arabic is an official language in Israel, together with Hebrew. Israel's Arabic press is the most vibrant and independent of any country in the region. There are more than 20 Arabic periodicals. They publish what they please, subject only to the same military censorship as Jewish publications. There are daily TV and radio programs in Arabic, Arabic is taught in Jewish secondary schools. Israeli universities are renowned centers of learning in the history and literature of the Arab Middle East.

All religious communities in Israel enjoy the full protection of the State. Israeli Arabs -- Moslems, as well as many Christian denominations -- are free to exercise their faiths, to observe their own weekly day of rest and holidays and to administer their own internal affairs. Each community has its own religious councils and courts, and has full jurisdiction over religious affairs, including matters of personal status, such as marriage and divorce. The holy sites of all religions are administered by their own authorities and protected by the government

In contrast to the non-Israeli Arab world, Arab women in Israel enjoy the same status as men. Israeli law grants women equal rights, including the right to vote and to be elected to public office, prohibits polygamy, child marriage, and the barbarity of female sexual mutilation. It has thus vastly changed the status of women, to far above that of any country in the region. Israeli health standards are by far the highest in the Middle East. Israeli health institutions are freely open to all Arabs, on the same basis as they are to Jews.
There is, however, one difference between the "rights" of Arabs and Jews in Israel. Israeli and Druze men are required to do three years of military service and then serve one month every year until they are 50. Arabs are exempted from military duty and are not required to perform any compensating civilian service. Since the surrounding Arab states are the avowed enemies of Israel and dedicated to its destruction (there is "peace" with Egypt and Jordan), this exemption is granted by the Israeli government to its Arab citizens, so as to spare them conflicts of loyalty and conscience.
Contrary to propaganda and to what many believe, the Arabs in Israel are full-fledged citizens, enjoy every right, have the same status in law as Jewish Israelis, and can freely move all over the country without fear of being harassed, attacked, or killed. That's quite in contrast to the mortal dangers to which Jews are subjected when they venture into predominately Arab areas even within Israel proper. In summary, they enjoy the highest standards of living and liberty of any Arabs in the Middle East. In a poll, 70% of Israel's Arabs declared that they identified with and felt loyalty to the Palestinians, and not to the state of Israel. Significantly, however, the same percentage (70%) declared that they would much prefer to live in Israel than in any other country in the area. And who can blame them? Life is so much better for them, so much more prosperous than it would be any place else. It is instructive and sobering to compare the condition of the approximately one million Arabs in Israel with that of the pitiful remnants of Jewry in Arab countries. Jews have been living in Arab countries for almost 2,000 years. Under Arab dominance, they were always third-class citizens and subject to harassment and persecution. There were about 900,000 Jews in Arab countries in 1946 -- now there are fewer than 25,000. But there are now over one million Arabs in Israel, many more than after the exodus in 1948 -- a manifold increase. That alone would seem to prove that things can not be all that bad for Arabs in Israel.

You said "Al Husseini shouldn't have been in a meeting with Hitler."
I agree he should not have in any way supported him.The goals however IMHO were and are the same.
Adolf Hitler wrote in his book Mein Kampf that the first obstacle facing the creation of a New National Socialist State was "above all elimination of the existing Jewish one." That would require not only the elimination of the current "Jewish" State but elimination of all the Jews in that State.

Yet, the preamble of Hamas´ Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, written in 1988, like Mein Kampf, plainly outlines a planned genocide. It states:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
Article seven reads:

"The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' "

Recent killings in Israel clearly show Hamas is trying to implement that "Covenant." Yassir Arafat and the Palestinian authority are supporting Hamas. Thousands of Palestinians gathered in the streets in Gaza to cheer the killing of five American students and others at Hebrew University.
What does that all have to do with the story? The Mufti admired what Hitler did to the Jews, unlike Ford. The story is about what the Mufti thought and how Arafat looks at him.

Consider Arafat's and the PLO's long history of terrorism and violence. Over a span of 35 years, Arafat and the PLO have been responsible for the deaths of thousands of Israeli, American, Lebanese, and Palestinian civilians. Through the PLO, Arafat has orchestrated the kidnapping and murder of Israeli school children, the hijacking of airliners, numberless car bombings and death-squad killings. Often Arafat's violence has been targeted at his Arab "brothers," as is evidenced by the PLO's role in Jordanian (1960s-70s) and Lebanese (1970s-80s) civil insurrections. And he hasn't changed his ways. Recently Arafat attempted to smuggle into Gaza a shipload of Iranian arms to be used against Israelis, and Arafat's Al Aqsa Brigade deliberately target and kill Israeli women and children through suicide bombers

Consider also the track record of Arafat's Palestinian Authority—the temporary governing body of the Gaza Strip and West Bank territories. Arafat is the dictator of the Palestinian Authority in everything but title. The Los Angeles Times has described his domination as stretching "from the largest to the most minor matter." Palestinians live in constant fear of having their property arbitrarily confiscated by Arafat's corrupt "police" force. Laws prohibiting free speech are common and are enforced brutally. To silence those who oppose him, Arafat shuts down radio and TV stations and imprisons and tortures journalists who criticize the Palestinian Authority. Dissenters are arbitrarily detained, tortured, or "encouraged" at gunpoint to leave the territories. In November 1999 a group of prominent intellectuals who signed a petition accusing Arafat's regime of corruption was summarily jailed. They were lucky; some recalcitrants are assassinated. Remember the mayor of a Palestinian village, Zuhir Hamdan, who publicly stated that his villagers preferred to live, not under Arafat, but Israel? He was gunned down, but luckily survived.
Arafat's current regime is barbaric and oppressive. One can logically predict that conditions in an independent Palestinian state would be worse than they are presently.
Viewed in this context of dictatorial rule, the alleged right of Palestinians to "self-determination" is groundless. No group has a right to its own state if what it seeks is a dictatorship. Arafat's "Palestinian self-determination" really means more of Arafat's despotism—it means granting legitimacy to a state that is utterly hostile to its own citizens

Those attacking Israel, by contrast, are terrorist organizations, theocracies, dictatorships and would-be dictators. They do not recognize the individual rights of their own subjects, much less those of the citizens of Israel. They initiate force indiscriminately in order to retain and expand their power.
For Liberty.

63 posted on 08/10/2002 12:44:11 PM PDT by freeforall
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