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West Nile Virus- Bring Back DDT?
various links | 8-05-02 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 08/05/2002 5:17:26 PM PDT by backhoe

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10,000 may be infected (West Nile Virus)
      Posted by self_evident
On Aug 4 2:32 AM with 16 comments


The Advocate ^ | 08/3/02 | MIKE DUNNE
     
 
West Nile virus found in 4 more Iowa counties
      Posted by Keith in Iowa
On Aug 3 1:37 PM with 2 comments


Des Moines Register | 8/3/02 | Tony Leys
     
 
Mosquitoes With West Nile Virus Found in Conn.
      Posted by JohnHuang2
On Aug 3 1:24 PM


FOXNEWS ^ | Saturday, August 3, 2002 | AP
     
 
Louisiana battles Nile virus
      Posted by JohnHuang2
On Aug 3 9:18 AM


Washington Times ^ | Saturday, August 3, 2002 | By Joyce Howard Price
     
 
Louisiana Confirms Four West Nile Virus Deaths
      Posted by Reverenist133
On Aug 2 11:00 PM with 33 comments


Reuters.com ^ | August 02, 2002 01:46 PM ET | By Michael Depp
     
 
DDT and Chemophobia - Could DDT help with the West Nile Virus outbreak?
      Posted by MeeknMing
On Jul 31 9:34 PM with 28 comments


AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH ^ | June 14, 2002 | By Dr. Thomas R. DeGregori
     
 
West Nile virus spreading faster than expected
      Posted by buckbonzi
On Jul 30 5:03 AM with 2 comments

     
 
West Nile virus spreading faster than expected
      Posted by aculeus
On Jul 30 3:29 AM with 12 comments


Yahoo News via Drudge (siren worthy) ^ | Mon Jul 29, 6:51 PM ET | LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer
     
 
White House Bird Test Positive for West Nile Virus
      Posted by bonesmccoy
On Jul 28 9:07 AM with 29 comments


Washington DC Public Health ^
     
 
Dead bird found on White House lawn to be tested for West Nile Virus
      Posted by Damocles
On Jul 26 4:16 PM with 32 comments


Boston.com ^ | 7/26/2002 | AP
     
 
Houston man has West Nile virus
      Posted by MeeknMing
On Jul 23 8:33 PM with 35 comments


The Dallas Morning News ^ | July 23, 2002 | The Dallas Morning News Staff
     
 
West Nile virus in Manitoba, Quebec
      Posted by Clive
On Jul 13 2:22 PM with 7 comments


Canadian Press via Sun Media ^ | July 13, 2002 | Scott Edmonds
     
 
Three Men in Louisiana Are First With West Nile Virus
      Posted by Dog Gone
On Jul 12 7:24 PM with 75 comments


Associated Press ^ | Friday, July 12, 2002
     
 
West Nile virus confirmed in Chicago burbs (coincidence?)
      Posted by Ordinary_American
On May 25 9:33 AM with 1 comment


UPI ^
     
 
West Nile Virus from Iraq Via Cuba? (My Title)
      Posted by abigkahuna
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Cuba's bio-research activity under scrutiny: Did Castro plant West Nile virus in Florida Keys?
      Posted by JohnHuang2
On May 15 12:10 PM with 10 comments


WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 | By H.P. Albarelli Jr.
     
 
West Nile Virus Heading Toward Texas
      Posted by blam
On Feb 6 4:01 AM with 29 comments


Science Daily ^ | 2-5-2002
     
 
Ala. Man Dies From West Nile Virus (first known Ala. death from virus)
      Posted by Freedom of Speech Wins
On Nov 28 2001 10:08 AM with 1 comment



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KEYWORDS: ddt; malaria; westnile
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If you follow the links within the links, you will find my own collections of links regarding DDT.

Is it time to reconsider bringing DDT back for public safety?

1 posted on 08/05/2002 5:17:26 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Yeah..lets's polute the water systems some more.
I just read an article this weekend about how the medicines we have become such a great amount that they have accumulated in the sewers and the all filtering system processes (even underground) are not filtering out the medicines and hormones from our drinking water. They said they can't do it.
2 posted on 08/05/2002 5:37:52 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
I'm not going to argue with you, but I suggest you read the links more carefully and ask- are one to two million preventable deaths ( in mostly poor, third-world countries ) really worth a avoiding a theoretical risk?

DDT is one of the safest insecticides known. Most of the newer ones are analogs of nerve gas agents, and correspondingly more poisonous to humans. I've seen people literally plastered with powdered DDT without ill effects.

3 posted on 08/05/2002 5:45:49 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
DDT is one of the safest insecticides known.

It has been suggested that flawed studies resulted in the ban.
Even if the studies were accurate, additional consideration should be afforded public health concerns.
Most certainly, bring it back!

4 posted on 08/05/2002 6:21:56 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: Sungirl
Someone desperately needs a parasol.
5 posted on 08/05/2002 6:33:52 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Sungirl
Do you eat fruit and veggies from other countries....??? They are likely using DDT.....
6 posted on 08/05/2002 7:06:27 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins
"Do you eat fruit and veggies from other countries....???"

You mean you can still buy American fruit? Last year they let the fruit rot in the orchards because the chinese, south american, and mexican imports came in for less than it cost to produce here.

This year an early heat wave followed by a late frost killed the fruit crop, but I expect that next year millions of pounds of fruit will again be left to rot.

Someone has been slipping stupidjuice into the water supply. There's no other reason I can think of for a country to welcome an increasing dependence on its avowed enemy for its food supply.

7 posted on 08/05/2002 7:14:12 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
My husband's family owns apple/pear/cherry orchards.....I ALWAYS by US fruit only....I just buy in season fruit ONLY - as far as the "stupid juice"......I'm wondering, too...We just planted ourself a fruit tree on our suburban small city lot.....I will NOT buy Chinese (or another country's) fruit, I won't, I won't, I won't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8 posted on 08/05/2002 8:12:32 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: backhoe
I first heard of West Nile about a year ago. However, I've NEVER heard even a mention of DDT as a possible solution anywhere but here at FreeRepublic. It's been gone so long that many people have no idea what DDT is anymore.

Thanks backhoe, there are a lot of American lives at stake, not to mention the 2 million around the world.

9 posted on 08/05/2002 8:33:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: backhoe
Good job ! It seems the DDT banning 30 years ago was based
on Liberal "Junk" "Science". In other words, baseless.
10 posted on 08/06/2002 2:22:40 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Sungirl
Yeah let's go ahead and contintue to let these third world mosquitoes from hell kill more people, don't bother to find a solution!
11 posted on 08/06/2002 2:30:11 AM PDT by bok
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To: sistergoldenhair
Appreciate the comments- when I was a little boy- 1950's- we ran through the "skeeter spray" the county fogger truck put out, because, childlike, we figured if it was bad for the bugs, it must be "good for us..."

While I certainly would not do or recommend that now, no harm came from breathing the stuff. The diseases carried by the bugs are a far more immediate threat to health.

12 posted on 08/06/2002 4:07:51 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
In the 50's, our out-door movie theaters were sprayed with DDT and nobody got sick from it. Also other businesses used it with no problems.
13 posted on 08/06/2002 4:28:51 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Balding_Eagle
While I'm not positive, I'd swear I've heard talk radio hosts metion DDT recently. That's how you win the info wars- dripping out data one drop at a time, until the public wakes up from its stupor...
14 posted on 08/06/2002 4:28:58 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: MeeknMing
It was a precursor to The Decade of Fraud(s)-- the 1990's. Like the Corvair, which GM fixed, but "Unsafe at any Speed" killed off anyway...
15 posted on 08/06/2002 4:38:04 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Lucky
I can recall spraying the stuff around from Flit guns, and people walking through, and even smoking in, the cloud of insecticide without ill effects. By contrast, the "EPA Approved" pyrethrin-based fogging oil I use around here makes me feel sick as a dog- I can taste the stuff for days- if I get one whiff of it.

And it doesn't kill the bugs, either...

16 posted on 08/06/2002 4:44:23 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Old Professer
What's the matter? Why do you call yourself a professor when you don't know anything? What are you a professor of? If I remember right, you never answered my last few posts to you....remember???
17 posted on 08/06/2002 4:46:02 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: goodnesswins
Do you eat fruit and veggies from other countries....??? They are likely using DDT.....

No doubt...it goes along with all the fecal material.

18 posted on 08/06/2002 4:47:21 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Lucky
In the 50's, our out-door movie theaters were sprayed with DDT and nobody got sick from it

What year was DEET developed? How long does it take to see all symptoms?

20 posted on 08/06/2002 4:51:06 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: backhoe
Your reply #3 says: most of the newer insecticides are analogs of nerve gas agents...This is very interesting because two times I have used insect spray with DEET in them and both times it felt like there was something wrong with the nerves in my body. This feeling lasted a week each time. Anybody else have trouble with DEET?
21 posted on 08/06/2002 5:12:59 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Lucky
Yes, DEET makes me queasy... I'm not sure if that's a systemic reaction, conditioning to dislike the smell, or what, but I usually avoid the stuff and wear heavy sleeves, jeans, hat- and sweat a lot! A good cheap Swisher Sweet cigar is handy, too...
22 posted on 08/06/2002 5:19:43 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Lol, sounds good!
23 posted on 08/06/2002 5:25:05 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Sungirl
Here's the 3 little words that nobody likes to say: I don't know.
24 posted on 08/06/2002 5:34:17 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Lucky
Anybody else have trouble with DEET?

Yeah. I have trouble when I run out of it!

You like chiggers laying their larvae inside the layers of your skin to chew on it for a week or so?? Ah, yes!!! Nature is soooo wonderful and pure!!!!! LOL!

25 posted on 08/06/2002 6:01:41 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
Well, no I don't. I just thought maybe the old DDT might be better than the new DEET.
26 posted on 08/06/2002 6:11:51 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Sungirl
No doubt...it goes along with all the fecal material.

Did you know that Uranium can be found in health-food stores?

27 posted on 08/06/2002 9:09:01 AM PDT by lepton
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To: Lucky
I've also noticed that back when I did mechanical work involving getting my hands in degreasers, gasoline, and other volatile solvents, the bugs didn't seem to like biting me much- guess they didn't like the flavor!
28 posted on 08/06/2002 1:06:47 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: sam_paine
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

Anybody else have trouble with DEET?
Yeah. I have trouble when I run out of it!
You like chiggers laying their larvae inside the layers of your skin to chew on it for a week or so?? Ah, yes!!! Nature is soooo wonderful and pure!!!!! LOL!

I don't use anything but powdered sulpher when going into the wilds... a little in my socks and around my waistband and dusting on the back of my neck keeps me chigger and tick free /also slows down the skeeters and flys. No pesticide and no bad reactions... FWIW..

29 posted on 08/06/2002 1:13:57 PM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder
I don't use anything but powdered sulpher when going into the wilds...

I have heard of that remedy from some older relatives, a long time ago. Seems like it would be worth a try.

30 posted on 08/06/2002 3:43:42 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
It is not like we don't have other pesticides that can kill mosquitos.... we can kill mosquitos without DDT.
31 posted on 08/06/2002 3:46:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That may be, but what the county & city uses down here doesn't even discourage them, let alone kill them- it just makes them angrier. I am serious.
32 posted on 08/06/2002 3:49:20 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Well, mosquitos aren't that hard to kill... but doing anything on a blanket scale is... the difficulty is not that the poison isn't potent enough...

The trick is poisoning them without poisoning everything else... We don't need to kill everything trying to save anything.

This virus is not new... It has been moving around for a few years now... It rarely is fatal, few people that are exposed to it even get sick, and most of those that do get sick recover... Most horses that get it recover also... and there is a horse vaccine for it. I imagine they are working on a people vaccine, but those take longer to get approval.

I am not ready to throw the baby [eagles] out with the bathwater just because the media is trying to panic everyone over it.
33 posted on 08/06/2002 4:13:02 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: All
West Nile Virus Will Sweep Across Whole US

34 posted on 08/06/2002 4:14:04 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: HairOfTheDog
OK, your position is clear- as is mine. We'll simply disagree, and lobby our respective points.
35 posted on 08/06/2002 4:17:33 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
More:

100 things you should know about DDT

36 posted on 08/11/2002 7:54:02 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
One of the things not mentioned is that in addition to deaths from malaria, the prevalence of mosquito borne disease is causing millions of cases of blindness and other permanent harm to survivors. Somewhere I saw a number of 15 million annual cases, in addition to the 3 million deaths. All for the sake of political correctness, and to pander to the irrational chemophobia of a poorly educated public.
37 posted on 08/11/2002 8:45:49 AM PDT by thucydides
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To: thucydides
DDT: Bring it back is correct but then apparently a bird is more important than a father, mother, grandchild etc..and we all know how environmentalists feel about human lives.

Sac

38 posted on 09/02/2002 5:02:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Appreciate the comment, Sac- thanks for stopping by.
39 posted on 09/02/2002 5:37:39 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Sacajaweau
It`s not even a case of a bird being saved; the studies summarized on this topic at www.junkscience.com show that the claims of DDT harming birds are unfounded.
40 posted on 09/02/2002 6:30:20 AM PDT by thucydides
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To: All
A new column about DDT:

http://www.hendersonvillenews.com/opinion/commentaries/editcolumn.asp?ID=11467

41 posted on 09/09/2002 9:01:06 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Sungirl
So what's a few thousand lives if we can save the children from a possible bad effect?
42 posted on 09/09/2002 9:09:24 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: All
Doctors link polio to West Nile virus

43 posted on 09/24/2002 2:46:35 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: All
Click and learn:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/756132/posts
Doctors link polio to West Nile virus
Boston Globe ^ | September 24, 2002 | Stephen Smith
 
West Nile Virus- Bring Back DDT?
 
 
The entire database is here:WEST NILE VIRUS;
 
MORE:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/755994/posts
U.S. Gave West Nile, Other Viruses, to Iraq
NewsMax ^ | 9/24/02 | John O. Edwards
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/753076/posts
West Nile strikes dog, wolf, squirrels
United Press International ^
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/752015/posts
Castro Weaponizes West Nile Virus
Insight on the News ^ | Sept. 16, 2002 | Martin Arostegui
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/749699/posts
Sen. Leahy: West Nile Outbreak Could Be Terrorism
Newsmax.com ^ | Sept. 12 ,2002 | Carl Limbacher
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742855/posts
Experts Worry That West Nile Risk Has Been Exaggerated
Mobile Register ^ | 9-1-2002 | Bill Finch
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/740803/posts
West Nile Virus Links to Saddam and Castro
FOR FREEDOM & JUSTICE GROUP ^ | 8/28/2002 | Ernesto F. Betancourt
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/740269/posts
West Nile Virus: "It's Time To Bring Back DDT"
JunkScience.com ^ | Friday,August 16, 2002 | Steven Milloy
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/738577/posts
Cuba Offers to Help U.S. Contain West Nile Virus
yahoo.com ^ | August 24, 2002 | Reuters
 
 

44 posted on 09/24/2002 3:25:24 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
According to Malaria.org, mosquitos in some areas have become resistant to DDT, so it's evidently not a magic bullet.

Questions: does exposure to WNV confer liftime immunity? If so the epidemic should die out pretty soon, as most of us must surely have been or soon will be exposed to it.

And what about a vaccine? There's one for horses already.
45 posted on 09/24/2002 3:32:01 AM PDT by kms61
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To: kms61
-West Nile Virus- some basic information--
46 posted on 09/24/2002 3:51:10 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: All
DDT Delirium
47 posted on 10/11/2002 2:25:54 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: All
 
 DDT, Fraud, and Tragedy -- Dr. Dixie Lee Ray, scientist, recipient of the United Nations Peace Prize and former Governor of Washington State, is the author of the best selling Trashing the Planet, a common-sense book dealing with the contentious issues where science and politics overlap and where environmentalism moves from well-meaning idealism to counterproductive eco-terrorism.
Here's an inteview with her....
http://www.acton.org/publicat/randl/interview.php?id=52
 Reason DDT Article
 

48 posted on 02/28/2005 3:41:29 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe
FWIW

"Dragonflies play an important role in the control of the mosquito population. When they are nothing but dragonfly nymphs, they prey upon mosquito larvae, and when they reach adulthood, they eat mosquito adults. This behavior has earned them the nickname of "mosquito hawk"."
49 posted on 02/28/2005 4:14:57 AM PST by kanawa
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To: kanawa
"Dragonflies play an important role in the control of the mosquito population. When they are nothing but dragonfly nymphs, they prey upon mosquito larvae, and when they reach adulthood, they eat mosquito adults. This behavior has earned them the nickname of "mosquito hawk"."

Yep, have hoards of them down South- a beneficial bug.

50 posted on 02/28/2005 4:35:52 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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