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Clinton's Black Hawk History - On Somalia, the ex-president is as mendacious as ever ~ WSJ.
The Wall Street Journal. | August 6, 2002 | The Wall Street Journal. Editorial Board

Posted on 08/06/2002 2:40:34 AM PDT by Elle Bee

Clinton's Black Hawk History

We wish Bill Clinton a quiet retirement, if only he'd return the favor. But when the former President distorts history for the sake of political advantage, someone has to clean up afterward.

Responding to Bush Administration suggestions that some of today's corporate scandals first got out of hand under his watch, Mr. Clinton recently shot back: "These people ran on responsibility, but as soon as you scratch them they go straight to blame. Now, you know, I didn't blame his [President Bush's] father for Somalia when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

We can understand Mr. Clinton wanting to defend himself, but as usual he can't get his own facts straight. His introduction of Somalia here is one of those breathtakingly brazen attempts to dodge responsibility for which Mr. Clinton is justly famous. Here's the real history:

President Bush the Elder sent U.S. forces into Somalia in December 1992 to aid the United Nations in relieving a massive famine. In May of 1993, four months into his term, President Clinton declared that mission accomplished and pulled out most of the U.S. forces. In a speech on the South Lawn to associate himself with the effort, he extolled the decision to intervene: "If all of you who served had not gone, it is absolutely certain that tens of thousands would have died by now." It was a "successful mission," he said, and "proved yet again that American leadership can help to mobilize international action ..."

But back in Somalia, with no U.S. deterrent, Somalia's warlords began fighting again. After a series of bloody attacks on U.N. peacekeepers, Mr. Clinton launched a new mission: In August 1993, he sent in a force of Rangers and Special Forces units to capture the brutal warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid and restore order.

That force asked for heavy armor -- in the form of Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles -- as well as the AC-130 gunship, but the Clinton Administration denied those requests. On October 3 on a mission to pick up Aidid, two Black Hawks were unexpectedly shot down; in the ensuing urban gun battle, 18 American soldiers were killed and another 73 injured.

Many military experts believe that if the U.S. forces had had armor, fewer would have died. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armor had been an error. A 1994 Senate Armed Services Committee investigation reached the same conclusion. But perhaps the most poignant statement came from retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Joyce, father of Sergeant Casey Joyce, a Ranger killed in Mogadishu: "Had there been armor ... I contend that my son would probably be alive today ..."

Mr. Clinton's responsibility in Somalia doesn't stop there. Despite the mistakes that October day, Aidid had been struck a blow. The U.S. military, with 18 dead, wanted nothing more than to finish what it had started. Mr. Clinton instead aborted the mission. The U.S. released the criminals it had captured that same day at such great cost, and the U.N., lacking U.S. support, was powerless to keep order. Somalia remains a lawless, impoverished nation. Worse, the terrorists of al Qaeda interpreted the U.S. retreat from Somalia as a sign of American weakness that may have convinced them we could be induced to retreat from the Middle East if they took their attacks to the U.S. homeland.

Those are the facts. The reason Mr. Clinton can't blame the events of "Black Hawk Down" on President Bush's father is because those events had nothing to do with him. They were Mr. Clinton's responsibility, and his alone.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billclinton; blackhawkdown; history; somalia
Mendacious Bubba Bump

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1 posted on 08/06/2002 2:40:34 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Already posted....here.

Please do a ARTICLE SEARCH so you don't post repeats. Thank you.

2 posted on 08/06/2002 2:44:20 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: Pistolshot
I will give Bush the same advice I give politicians here in Israel - HAUL HIS ASS INTO COURT AND SUE HIM!

These things we tend to laugh at, but if are not taken care of, come back years later to haunt us.

It seems as though Yossi Beilen and Shimon Peres have been giving Clinton lessons on how to exploit the masses.

In the name of Israel, I apologize!

3 posted on 08/06/2002 3:01:34 AM PDT by Challenge
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To: Elle Bee
Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armor had been an error.

Aspin was a lousy Secretary of Defense but at least he took responsibility by resigning. Janet Reno said she took full responsibility for the Waco debacle but she didn't take the step for showing responsibility by resigning. Most recently, Bob Torricelli said he took responsibility for taking (and lying about) illegal gifts. He made it sound that by merely saying that he was taking responsibilty (but taking no actions) was a meritorious thing. And of course, Clinton, won't even take responsibility for anything. He just shuffles it off on others...such as Bush1.

4 posted on 08/06/2002 3:12:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
I believe it was also Mister Joyce who told Clinton to his face in a visit to the White House that he was a disgrace to this country.
5 posted on 08/06/2002 4:04:24 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Pistolshot
Some of us didn't it to see it "THERE", so I was glad Elle Bee reposted it. Thanks BEE!
6 posted on 08/06/2002 4:08:28 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: ballplayer
I believe it was Corporal Jamie Smith's dad who told Clinton that...to which the rapist replied: *I didn't kill your kid*.
7 posted on 08/06/2002 4:13:49 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: Elle Bee
I wish I had a dime for each time Clinton and his administration referred to the last twelve years during his first years in office.
8 posted on 08/06/2002 4:15:04 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Elle Bee
Thanks for the "re" post. This should be mandatory reading for all Americans. Xlinton should have been court martialed for his failure to provide proper support for the troops that he (the first Draft Dodger in history to be CINC) left twisting in the wind.
9 posted on 08/06/2002 4:16:45 AM PDT by ImpBill
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To: Elle Bee
Another Mendacious Bubba Bump
10 posted on 08/06/2002 4:26:38 AM PDT by not-alone
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To: ballplayer
I believe it was also Mister Joyce who told Clinton to his face in a visit to the White House that he was a disgrace to this country.

No! No! Don't you LISTEN to Clinton? He actually told that to Bush.

11 posted on 08/06/2002 4:37:42 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Elle Bee
Responding to Bush Administration suggestions that some of today's corporate scandals first got out of hand under his watch, Mr. Clinton recently shot back: "These people ran on responsibility, but as soon as you scratch them they go straight to blame. Now, you know, I didn't blame his [President Bush's] father for Somalia when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

After reading this a couple of weeks ago I was outraged so I decided to watch 'Black Hawk Down' to see what kind of blame was bestowed on the 'toon and his admin.

Out of the entire movie, some 2 hrs., there was ONE line that said, Washington in their wisdom does not see fit to send the requested equipment." Clintoon's name was not mentioned once.

Just keeping on flapping your gums you scum sucking bastard, you only expose yourself for the lying reprobate that you are with every utterance.

12 posted on 08/06/2002 4:44:19 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty
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To: Elle Bee
[Clinton Administration] Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armor had been an error. A 1994 Senate Armed Services Committee investigation reached the same conclusion.

". . . I didn't blame his [President Bush's] father for Somalia when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

No, obviously you couldn't--then. But you seem to think you can insinuate that now.

Here's a good question for the next Democratic presidential candidate:
Who was the last good Democratic Secretary of Defense?
Cohen was a Republican, they can't say him . . .
Aspen resigned in disgrace, can't say him . . .

Who can remember Jimmy Carter's SecDef???
Would they dare name McNamara???


13 posted on 08/06/2002 7:10:54 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: monocle
wish I had a dime for each time Clinton and his administration referred to the last twelve years during his first years in office.
You greedy @%#@@!

14 posted on 08/06/2002 7:14:43 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: mystery-ak
I believe it was Corporal Jamie Smith's dad who told Clinton that...to which the rapist replied: *I didn't kill your kid*.

MOGADISHU

Like hell, he didn't! He might as well have pulled the trigger himself except that he's too much of a coward to have even done that.

15 posted on 08/06/2002 7:22:41 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: BigWaveBetty
Out of the entire movie, some 2 hrs., there was ONE line that said, Washington in their wisdom does not see fit to send the requested equipment." Clintoon's name was not mentioned once.

But we all know anyway who was responsible and its clear that ze Klinton did'nt do anything to stop terrorism during his term in office.

16 posted on 08/06/2002 7:23:54 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator; Miss Marple; Poohbah; SamAdams76; nicko
I must admit that I was surprised by the man's gall - especially when he made those comments four months AFTER Master Sergeant Gary I. Gordon's GPS unit was found in one of the caves that those al-Qaida punks were hiding in.

17 posted on 08/06/2002 7:25:46 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Elle Bee
BTTT for the truth. If only the talking heads set the record straight. I saw Clintoon's clip on Meet the Distressed and didn't see Timmy Boy set the record straight. Shame on you Tim.
18 posted on 08/06/2002 7:28:13 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: hchutch
Master Sergeant Gary I. Gordon's GPS unit was found in one of the caves that those al-Qaida punks were hiding in.

I hadn't read that. Do you have a source I can see?

19 posted on 08/06/2002 7:33:31 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: Elle Bee
Wow. Wow. Wow.

In other words, SHUT THE HELL UP, Bubba!

20 posted on 08/06/2002 7:38:36 AM PDT by rintense
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To: PJ-Comix
at least he took responsibility by resigning. Janet Reno said she took full responsibility for the Waco debacle but she didn't
. . . and Clinton didn't ask for her resignation, either--so actually he is "responsible." In a manner of speaking; you can't actually use that name and that word in the same sentance, of course.

When the Marine barracks bombing occured Reagan declined to assign responsibility to the commanders on site, and a reporter asked Reagan if he was going to resign! Somehow that thought never occurred to a reporter after Waco, when massive civilian deaths followed federal agents' initiative . . .


21 posted on 08/06/2002 7:40:12 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Elle Bee
Big Bump - Lest we forget!
22 posted on 08/06/2002 7:41:54 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Elle Bee
Weird Bill just loves the sound of his own voice apparently. I suggest that his punishment be that he is denied all further publicity or media appearances. After 6 weeks of that treatment, and running through his interns, his head would swell, turn purple and explode.

Regards, Ivan

23 posted on 08/06/2002 7:43:12 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: PJ-Comix
And of course, Clinton, won't even take responsibility for anything. He just shuffles it off on others...such as Bush1
. . . and Bush2 simultaneously, in this case. A twofer.

24 posted on 08/06/2002 7:43:19 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: MadIvan
his punishment be that he is denied all further publicity or media appearances
. . . after a moment's reflection it hit me--Clinton is a disruptor. If x42 himself were posting on FR, his words would be pulled by the moderator for creating flame wars. We're barking up the wrong tree, even discussing the creep.

25 posted on 08/06/2002 7:49:55 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Would I still be greedy if I wished a penny rather than a dime for each said utterance?
26 posted on 08/06/2002 7:53:00 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Ditto
There were some reports a while back (around March). A GPS unit was found with "G. Gordon" engraved on it. The only causalty we've had that would fit those initials on a GPS receiver is MSGT Gordon.

27 posted on 08/06/2002 7:53:54 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
If x42 himself were posting on FR, his words would be pulled by the moderator for creating flame wars. We're barking up the wrong tree, even discussing the creep

Agreed. Without publicity, he does not exist. At least in his own mind. What better way to wipe him off the planet than obscurity?

Regards, Ivan

28 posted on 08/06/2002 7:54:18 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Elle Bee
Hi "Elle Bee"!

He make me ever so sick! With that in mind, there is a "poll" on the netscape homepage which requires a vigorous freeping! It reads:

"Which of these recent presidents should be added to Mt. Rushmore?

Bill Clinton 6%
George H. W. Bush 4%
Ronald Reagan 35%
Jimmy Carter 6%
Gerald Ford 1%
Richard Nixon 2%
Lyndon Johnson 2%
John F. Kennedy 44%" *

I am unable to do the link thing, or I would have done it here. Perhaps someone would help me out with this?

Thanks.

Nancee

* The most recent results
29 posted on 08/06/2002 7:58:48 AM PDT by Nancee
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To: monocle
LOL!

30 posted on 08/06/2002 8:02:50 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Elle Bee
Stop talking about him.

He is yesterday.
31 posted on 08/06/2002 8:05:57 AM PDT by RISU
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To: Nancee
unable to do the link thing
If you do not include text that looks like HTML in your reply, then your reply will post exactly as typed, including all <, > and & symbols that HTML considers special. Vertical space will be preserved, to start a new paragraph you would only need to press your Enter key twice, just as you would in a word processor.

Additionally, anything that looks like a hyperlink ex. http://www.freerepublic.com/ will automatically be hyperlinked!


32 posted on 08/06/2002 8:09:47 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Elle Bee
magna cum laud mendacious bubba clinton bump
33 posted on 08/06/2002 8:14:15 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: Elle Bee
Mr. Clinton instead aborted the mission.

There was an excellent two hour program on The History Channel Sunday with the author of the book Black Hawk Down. In addition, there were the vets that were in Somalia commenting on this mission.

These men were upset that they didn't get to finish what was started. The militiamen of Somalia believe they have defeated the U.S. because Clinton pulled the troops out.

One vet on this program said, they would have kept fighting until not one building was left standing.

The most upsetting thing to see are our soldiers being dragged through the streets of Mogedishu (sp?)

Clinton is a POS!

34 posted on 08/06/2002 8:14:52 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"conservatism_is_compassion"

Thank you so very much! And here's the site where the poll is located:


http://www.worldnet.att.net/

Again, I sincerely appreciate your kindness, and I love your "handle".

Nancee
35 posted on 08/06/2002 8:26:59 AM PDT by Nancee
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To: MadIvan
XXX42 is contributing to the process of rewriting history.

As with the current Times mag article about the alleged Clinton/Gore terror battle plan handed the GW in January '01, Clinton/Democrat Party CYA fiction is polluting media research databases around the world.

Future generations of reporters, historians, and students will have a difficult time actually discovering the truth through these "muddied waters". This defense tactic is only a trick well learned in law schools, and practiced throughout Clinton's life.

The Clintons' coprophagic lick spittles in the media will dutifully report his statements with the same thoroughness as they reproted that, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinski.", and with the same take-on-faith passivity of Hillary's (temporary) cattle future investment brilliance (bribery).

I recall, as reported only in British newspapers, that Joyce's father told Clinton that 'He (XXX42) was unfit to lead.'
36 posted on 08/06/2002 8:57:37 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: SevenDaysInMay
Future generations of reporters, historians, and students will have a difficult time actually discovering the truth through these "muddied waters". This defense tactic is only a trick well learned in law schools, and practiced throughout Clinton's life.

I believe there is a lot of truth in what you say - however in the final analysis, historical truth usually wins. The lefties may try to change it, but as the effects of history lie all around us, it's not really possible. Even when Stalin controlled all academia in the USSR, it was not possible to conceal the extent of the Great Terror. It only requires a few historians who are willing to tell the truth, and God grant we never run out of those.

Regards, Ivan

37 posted on 08/06/2002 9:01:03 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: SevenDaysInMay; Ditto
The version I heard had it as the father of Randall Shughart - at the ceremony where the Medal of Honor was awarded.
38 posted on 08/06/2002 9:03:18 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch; doug from upland
hutch.....you may be right, Shughart's dad did say that...several of the dads(retired military) made comments to the press afterwards and I was confused on who said what.

doug...can you clear this up?

39 posted on 08/06/2002 9:31:16 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: mystery-ak
It seems a lot of the next-of-kin were quite upset with Clinton about this.

40 posted on 08/06/2002 9:57:05 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: mystery-ak
Yes, it was Shughart. I.On a May 23 ceremony, the parents of Master Sergeant Gary Gordon and Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart received posthumous Medals of Honor for their sons. Here is how it went according to Lt. Col. Tom McKenney (Ret) who has spoken to many of the parents and who was the guest on my last radio show:

Following the May 23 presentation at the White House, the families of the two men were invited into the Oval Office for a private visit with Clinton. Inside the office, the father of Sergeant Shughart refused to shake Clinton's hand, then look him in the face and calmly told him that he was responsible for his son's death, that it was for no purpose, that he was not fit to be President, and nto fit to be Commander in Chief.

Clinton was visibly shocked, amazed, and momentarily speechless. It is revealing that he was surprised that the man should feel that way. Clinton really doesn't think the way most people do, seeming to lack a sense of personal responsibility. After a brief, awkward silence, Clinton caught his breath. Becoming angry, he turned to the mother of the dead hero and said, "What's he jumping on me for? I didn't kill the kid!"

Yes, he really did say that--to the bereaved mother--he really did. It was an eloquent demonstration of Clinton's insensitivity, and of his absolute inability to understand sacrifice and responsibility."

......from the CLINTON CHRONICLES BOOK

41 posted on 08/06/2002 11:52:29 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
thanks
42 posted on 08/06/2002 11:56:35 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: doug from upland
Slick never "got it" about what Gordon and Shughart were about. He still doesn't think he made any mistakes.

I keep finding out that I have underestimated the man's nerve. When will somebody give this guy his comeuppance?
43 posted on 08/06/2002 12:26:26 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Elle Bee
What an absolute bastard. (Our horny ex-president, not yo.) That he's still allowed in our country appalls me.
44 posted on 08/06/2002 12:27:43 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: Elle Bee
What an absolute bastard. (Our horny ex-president, not you.) That he's still allowed in our country appalls me.
45 posted on 08/06/2002 12:27:46 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: MadIvan
I agree with you. Truth does win out but myths also linger. Witness JFK and the whole Kennedy family myth. JFK was perhaps- second to Clinton, the most unfit man to hold that office. All the allegations of the JFK "haters" during his Presidency and even more never dreamed have turned out to be true. But JFK had a fawning press that protected him and covered for him. And over the years- after waves of truth have come out- they still try to obscure the truth. thus - to some extent the Kennedy as a "great President" myth still lingers in some corners.

And so it will be with Clinton to a lessor extent. No one will ever say he was a "Great President". Enough has come out to tarnish him in even the common man's eyes. But we have seen only the tip of the ice berg when it comes to Clinton's depravity, crimes, and even treason. And I think much of this story is known by our media and political elite. It will come out in dribs and drabs but it will come out. In 30 years time Clinton will be regarded as perhpas the most vile Politician in our history. But it will take years as he has his wormlike toady defenders as TIme Magazine has yet again demostrated.

46 posted on 08/07/2002 6:07:09 AM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Howlin
Good one - bump...
47 posted on 08/07/2002 4:47:03 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Last weekend, my graduate school niece was here; while she was working on the computer, she was listening to MSNBC and happened to catch their weekend hour long show about Somalia and Bill Clinton.

She came STORMING into my room and demanded to know everything I knew about Bill Clinton and what he did or did not do.

You can bet I forwarded her this article the SECOND I saw it.

48 posted on 08/07/2002 4:53:25 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
You can bet I forwarded her this article the SECOND I saw it.

Always try to stay ahead of the spin. GOOD WORK on your part.

Rush covered this today. Apparently there's a book coming out depicting the impeached *One in a not-so-great light. This Time piece was to head things off at the pass. I don't think it's working...

49 posted on 08/07/2002 5:14:31 PM PDT by Libloather
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