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School is now just a 'girl thing'
Edmonton Sun ^ | August 4, 2002 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 08/07/2002 8:08:16 AM PDT by pbear8

School is now just a 'girl thing'

By TED BYFIELD -- Edmonton Sun

Now that our liberal educators have spent at least 30 years softening, gentling and generally feminizing the school system, why are we so astonished to discover that boys are opting out of education?

We've gone to extraordinary lengths to assure them that they don't belong there, that unless they change and become more like girls, they aren't wanted. They don't change because, of course, they can't. More and more of them simply quit.

So why be astonished to see that 57% of bachelor's degrees granted by American universities this year went to women - 61% at the University of Calgary while 59% of those receiving graduate degrees were female?

Meanwhile, at the high school level, the male dropout rate soars high above the female, as does the male suicide rate and the male crime rate.

Officialdom is becoming alarmed. Something called the Business Roundtable, an organization of top American executives, has commissioned a study. "We simply can't afford to have half our population not developing the skill sets we are going to need," says a spokeswoman. Research teams are studying the problem from Harvard, the University of Michigan and the United Negro College Fund.

Heaven knows what conclusions they might reach. As with a great many other things, if the obvious explanation offends the politically correct, we aren't likely to hear it, and it certainly does.

The fact is that the elementary schools are run almost entirely by women. The junior highs aren't much different. The male-female teacher ratio in high schools is about 50-50. Why are we surprised to discover that a boy grows up convinced that education is a "girl thing"?

But it goes much deeper than that. At another conference last week, this one in Montreal, a British psychologist and researcher reported that studies show girls tend to fight with their tongues while boys fight with their fists. Thus was educational academe endowed with knowledge that could have been provided by any parent of both girls and boys since the dawn of history, but it's nice to know that our educators are discovering things.

They have yet to discover, however, that certain conclusions follow from this. Since boys are far more physical, their discipline must be more physical too. I taught for 10 years in a boys' school. The first thing you learn there is that for most normal males of a certain age three or four swats with a strap will accomplish more in 30 seconds than six weeks of heart-to-heart "counselling."

One also suspects that the mysterious disease known as ADD, Attention Deficit Disorder, may be caused by a deficit of meaningful direction - meaningful, that is, in the sense of coercive. Over that 10-year stint, I could probably identify 50 boys, all suffering from what today would be called ADD. Every one of them was 'cured' when he found that if he didn't do the assigned work, things would become dreadfully unpleasant.

It is certainly odd that a disease that was absolutely unheard of before the schools were feminized has now become chronic. The favoured treatment is to hop up boys into educational acquiescence with Ritalin, a derivative of cocaine. Drugging children is seen as somehow more humane than spanking them.

Then too, boys easily assume that all the ancient human arts - song and verse in particular - are essentially 'girl things,' which of course is nonsense. But it's very difficult for a female teacher to overcome this bias, and one result is to render all the arts as something 'real men' aren't interested in.

Finally, boys more readily embrace what might be called absolutes. They're far more at home in a world of win-lose, pass-fail, good-bad than in a world of 'feelings' in the modern school.

Fix these things and you'll fix the problem of the opting-out male. But they won't be fixed easily because it means supplanting the whole philosophy of modern education - supplanting it, not with something new, but with something old.

For while what I've said here will appear extremist, radical, even demented to the modern educator, it is in fact the way human beings have been educated for every previous generation. He is the innovator, not I. And insofar as boys are concerned, his innovations are turning out to be catastrophic.


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Soon we all reap the rewards of what the educrats hath wrought.
1 posted on 08/07/2002 8:08:16 AM PDT by pbear8
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To: pbear8
They act all surprized, as if it was an unintended result.
Bunk.
2 posted on 08/07/2002 8:15:30 AM PDT by tomakaze
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To: pbear8
The other thing teachers do is punish anyone who defends himself. I've seen this in action. Years ago, I watched the class bully punch another kid. I paid more attention to the teacher who sat, watching quietly.........but did nothing. Nothing, until that is, the kid who was hit threw a punch BACK. Then, all hell broke loose and the teacher went flying over to intervene. BOTH kids were in trouble, but the teacher was REALLY pissed at the guy who hit back.

You see; it's perfectly ok to punch the crap out of another student, so long as you're not hitting back.

I had absolutely no respect at all for teachers after witnessing that crap.

3 posted on 08/07/2002 8:18:20 AM PDT by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
I have seen this occur also in my boys school.
The rule is that you cannot defend yourself, you have to
go "tell" an adult.
What my son found though was that if an adult didn't see
the assault happen, well then it just didn't occur.

We have let the principal know that we have taught our
son to hit back. We're not raising a victim. If he
doesn't like it, we're willing to have our son suspended.
4 posted on 08/07/2002 8:21:55 AM PDT by katnip
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To: katnip
"......adult didn't see the assault happen,.....

Believe me, they SAW. They just turn a blind eye to it, becasuse they want to see if your kid will hit back. A coworker of mine had a son who beat up four kids who jumped him. The teachers admitted that they saw it happened, but were furious at the kid for defending himself. My coworker pulled the kid, sent him to the local community college and the kid got his G.E.D. 6 months prior to the high school graduation.

5 posted on 08/07/2002 8:31:37 AM PDT by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: katnip
We have let the principal know that we have taught our son to hit back. We're not raising a victim. If he doesn't like it, we're willing to have our son suspended.

This worked for me. I was in the thrid grade and having a lot of problems with some of the other students. I eventually got into a fist-fight. My defense at the principal's office was "My parents told me to fight back if someone hits me." That was the end of it, and being my first offense, I was free to go. The other kid got a three-day suspension -- he had problems before. I also never had a problem with the other students after that day. (This was in 1988.)

6 posted on 08/07/2002 8:34:48 AM PDT by jae471
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Now I've just got to figure out how he deals with girls
hitting him.

We of course tell him not to hit back, but I'd love to
tell him to break their little noses.
7 posted on 08/07/2002 8:36:00 AM PDT by katnip
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To: jae471
I also never had a problem with the other students after that day.

Good for you!

8 posted on 08/07/2002 8:39:09 AM PDT by katnip
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To: pbear8
The first thing you learn there is that for most normal males of a certain age three or four swats with a strap will accomplish more in 30 seconds than six weeks of heart-to-heart "counselling."

Yep, learned that in the 3rd grade, only it was either a yardstick or a pointer stick...nun's choice.

Then when the Monsignor came in to hand out report cards, he always had a #1 wood driver. Rumor was if you got an "F" you would be counselled with said driver.

I never got an "F". Wonder why that was?

9 posted on 08/07/2002 8:46:35 AM PDT by hattend
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To: pbear8
I don't think the declining male ratio has to do with feminization. I think girls just tolerate boredom better.
10 posted on 08/07/2002 8:46:58 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: pbear8
Soon we all reap the rewards of what the educrats hath wrought.

In my town we already are. Most of the town council are retired teachers. The last three mayors have been retired teachers. I don't mean to beat up on teachers, they are underpaid (to start) and overworked, but enduring these occupational hazards and having a teaching certifcate does not make one politically wise.

Anyway, our town is facing a budget deficit that is not totally the result of reduced revenues. You see the town "needed a Cultural Center" and a "Wetlands Contemplative Preserve" (its an old railroad yard that filled with water in winter). The local police are encourage to write traffic tickets that generate revenue for the towns treasury. The feminization of America may be thought of as a good thing. Soft and feely, but I think the examples of our national institutions failures to prevent the tragedies of the past year are are symptom of this phenomena.

If women in politics are desirable (and they are) we need more Maggie Thatchers, not Sally Jesse Raphael's.

11 posted on 08/07/2002 8:52:40 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
That happened to me. Really. When I was in 7th grade, an 8th grade girl sucker-punched me in the stomach (to this day, the hardest hit I ever took - she was taller and stronger than me) for "saying something about her" that I never said.

Frankly, I didn't even know her name. She was a whack-nut.

Anyway, after I caught my wind, I got up and slugged her back.

Guess who got suspended.

12 posted on 08/07/2002 9:01:17 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Meanwhile, some large percentage of the 600 Million Muslim men in the world are training every day to kill infidels. Training in hand to hand combat, knives, pistols, rifles, explosives. Training religiously, so to speak, in how to kill us.

Maybe the women and the teachers will defend us.
13 posted on 08/07/2002 9:03:55 AM PDT by spodefly
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To: pbear8
The fact is that the elementary schools are run almost entirely by women. The junior highs aren't much different. The male-female teacher ratio in high schools is about 50-50. Why are we surprised to discover that a boy grows up convinced that education is a "girl thing"?

Dog bites man, if you ask me. This is nothing new. It's been almost 50 years since I started elementary school, but in the small Iowa town where I grew up, almost all the teachers and principals at the elementary and junior high level were women. You didn't have a significant number of male teachers until you got to high school.

15 posted on 08/07/2002 9:09:40 AM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: zhabotinsky
During the suspension, my parents took time off from work, different days of course, and we went to the Bronx Zoo, the NY Aquarium, the American Museum of Natural History and a Yankee game.

WAY more education than you would have gotten in class!

Great story. Thanks.

16 posted on 08/07/2002 9:25:22 AM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I hope you hit her hard enough to deter her from further sucker punches. You don't mention that she hit you again.
17 posted on 08/07/2002 9:46:48 AM PDT by Kermit
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To: pbear8
In the town I came from, being in the band was a big thing. We were the best in the state during the 70's.

We recently had a reunion, and I asked the band directors who came if the band was still any good. Both said "sure, sure, at least to the degree we still have tools to work with".

What they meant was, they no longer could keep disipline with things like paddles, or yelling, or intimidation. The fact that this was mentioned by both of them (who now live in different states), during different conversations, means that the rules have significantly changed.

I can only imagine what its like trying to keep a room of 100 kids with noisy band instruments all in line and playing together without being able to get in their faces.

18 posted on 08/07/2002 9:47:18 AM PDT by narby
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To: Kermit
No, she didn't. That's actually the only time in my life I actually struck a person..........thank God.
19 posted on 08/07/2002 9:52:43 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: narby
How sad.

I shudder to think what my once excellent school choir has become.

Excellence, discipline, they really do go together.

20 posted on 08/07/2002 10:08:16 AM PDT by pbear8
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To: 2Jedismom; homeschool mama; BallandPowder; ffrancone; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; WIMom; OldFriend; ...
ping
21 posted on 08/07/2002 11:00:40 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: elbucko
...teachers, they are underpaid...and overworked...

Cattle manure! If there were a teacher left in the government-run propaganda mills that pass for schools today, he or she would be fired. The typical NEA member is way overpaid, and does no work at all.

It is time we stop repeating the garbage that comes from their mouths about their pay, and tell them to wipe their crocadile tears or get a real job -- one where they work 12 months a year, and don't get days off so they can fill out forms and copy some lesson plan from a book and pretend it was their own work.

It is time to start lowering teacher salaries, eliminating administrative positions, and closing schools tht do not teach.

22 posted on 08/07/2002 11:26:36 AM PDT by womanvet
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To: pbear8
In one word:
HOMESCHOOL!
23 posted on 08/07/2002 11:29:36 AM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: pbear8
I taught for 10 years in a boys' school. The first thing you learn there is that for most normal males of a certain age three or four swats with a strap will accomplish more in 30 seconds than six weeks of heart-to-heart "counselling."

I had to laugh at that line. I had relatives with three sons, and I always thought they were mean to them. Once, I saw their mother grab them by the ear and pull them around. Now, I have three sons of my own. I would never hit them, but I do have to get physical with them almost everyday... because, I noticed that, when I tried the "Barney" technique of sympathy and understanding and communicating, it doesn't work. One day, my oldest wrestled his brother to the floor and began pushing his head into the carpet. I was holding the baby, so I couldn't pull him off, and I told him: Get off your brother; stop that; that's not nice... to no avail. Finally, I had to employ one of my relative's techniques: I had to grab him by the ear and tell him to get up or I was pulling it off. Sounds mean, but I couldn't let him hurt his brother. Turns out I learned alot from those relatives. =)

24 posted on 08/07/2002 11:36:45 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: pbear8
The best school I ever attended was a little bitty high school in a little bitty town in Oklahoma. It was 90 percent male run. In fact the only female teacher I saw was the home ec teacher (there were NO boys in that class). There were few discipline problems (you had a choice, the paddle or being sent home and everyone chose the paddle). There was a fairly strict dress code. And yet, no one acted "repressed" or like "robots".. everyone was fairly well adjusted, happy, and normal. It's a shame there aren't many of those kinds of public schools left, if any.
25 posted on 08/07/2002 11:45:26 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Tired of Taxes
You'd be surprised at how hard you can pull on a boy's ear before it comes off. LOL And if you want to simply get a boy's attention, a knuckle of the top of the head always works.
26 posted on 08/07/2002 11:55:31 AM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
This is the way it is in public schools now. Both get in trouble. The teacher or school goon squad just sits there watching a kid get the crap beat out of him and if the other kid so much as raises a hand, he's in trouble too. I heard that this is to protect school officials from getting sued. I don't see how, since they are sitting around watching a crime being committed. So, I wonder, if a girl is being sexually assaulted in school, does she just have to take it, or can she defend herself? Public schools truly suck.
27 posted on 08/07/2002 11:57:47 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: pbear8
This is now suprise. The anti-male bias in the school system is amazing. I have been going through the process of getting a teaching crediential in California and it has been an eye-opening and painful process.

When I hear people complain that the problems in California lagging educational system will be resolved by making sure that all the teachers are credentialed, I have to laugh. If people knew what was being taught in those programs they'd call for an end to them today. I could (and have done as a sub) a better job than most of those with a credential. As long as you know your subject, you can teach, and regardless of credentialing, some will know more and be better at imparting the knowledge. Just ask yourself - Was teaching mre or less effective before widespread credentialing?

The real problems are:
1. Way to much political correctness.
2. Lack of standards to teach to (reading, writing, math, and un-revised history).
3. To much time spent on aids, environmental, and non-existent "rights" (animal, gay, etc), education.
4. Lack of discipline among students and teachers.
5. Failure to impose practical standards of conduct for students, or failure to punish for breachs. Same goes for parents who now sue teachers and schools when their brats commit an offense and whine when punished.
6. Too many ridiculous, time and money consuming hurdles to entering the profession. These essentially serve to drive the most qualified people away.
7. Bloated school administration bureaucracies that suck all the money out of the system before it can reach the classroom or the teachers.

The list goes on. As for the anti-boy bias... I believe that it is deliberate and is the result of the many radical feminists that inhabit all levels of the system.
28 posted on 08/07/2002 12:08:03 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: ladylib
if the other kid so much as raises a hand, he's in trouble too.

This is true. Here in my county, a 17 year-old boy was benched for two lacrosse games for trying to break up a fight due the the "third man rule." Instead of the officials being placed in a position to sort things out, they immediately bench players who try and help. Idiot parents have done this to our school system by interfering too often in like situations that don't involve them. The zero tolerance madness is out of control.

29 posted on 08/07/2002 12:09:11 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Re: Hitting Back

I was subbing at a middle-school one afternoon. There was a firedrill during my down-period, so I did not have to deal with herding kids and was standing on the field observing things when I noticed two girls aged 13-14 get into a brawl. One was realLy beating the crap out of the other.

I immediately headed towards the fight to stop it. A teacher near me looked at me and said "don't even think about it - leave it alone..." I stopped momentarily trying to think if she was warning of some prosecutable offense I was about to commit that I missed in my sub's handbook. I could think of none and decided to go stop the fight.

By this time everyone, teachers included, were looking. But I was the only one moving, which I thought was very strange. When I got there I could not sepparate them as they were rolling around on the ground with fist-fulls of each others hair (and I did not want to inadvertently grab some body part that would get me prosecuted for molestation). Finally, two other teachers came to help me (shamed into action no doubt). During the struggle, the aggressor aimed a heel at my face with the intention (she admitted) of loosening my teeth or breaking my nose. I saw it coming and moved enough to catch the kick on the side of my jaw instead of my teeth.

As she was being escorted away to the office by the vice-principal, she broke away and started charging back accross the field towards the other girl, who was being looked over and helped by another teacher. I was between them and told the girl to stop while took a tackling stance. She stopped in front of me and proceeded to tell me how I couldn't touch her. I said I'd throw her over my shoulder or drag her to the office by her heel if she took another step. By that time though, the VP had caught up with her and took her in tow to the office with me following a few feet behind.

I ended up testifying at her expulsion hearing (not so much because of the fight, but because she had deliberately kicked me in the face while I tried to sepparate her from the other girl). When they went over the long list of this girls previous offenses and victims, I could not help but wonder why she wasn't already in juvenile detention. A 14-YEAR OLD GIRL!
30 posted on 08/07/2002 12:29:37 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Having teachers just sit there while a kid is being physically abused does nothing to make parents feel comfortable about sending their kid to that school. Perhaps parents should find out what the policy is and make an informed decision as to whether they want junior to attend Lord of the Flies Middle School.
31 posted on 08/07/2002 12:36:25 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
I asked one of the teachers who came to help me why no one was doing anything. The simple answer was they were afraid of getting sued or losing their jobs if one of the brats, or the brats parents, complained.

If you have ever read the all the rules that teachers have to comply with regarding what they can and cannot do with regard to students, it is not hard to understand. In California, if a kid turns out to have been abused by a parent, and it can be "proved" that you saw a bruise at one time or another and did not report your suspicions (whether you had any or not), you, as a teacher, can be prosecuted.

There is no allowing for judgement calls, see a bruise on a kid, guess wrong as to the cause, go to jail or lose your job.

Is it any suprise?
32 posted on 08/07/2002 12:47:27 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
" I believe that it is deliberate and is the result of the many radical feminists that inhabit all levels of the system. "

and here I thought it was the homosexual gays that were infiltrating the schools....

33 posted on 08/07/2002 12:48:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: pbear8
Can't be anything to do with the type of stupidity that fosters expulsion for drawing pictures of guns, could it? I used to draw tank battles, airplanes putting rockets into railway locomotives, and so on. Boys do this, girls don't. Boys sure do get kicked out for being boys these days. I need to find a corner to puke in now.
34 posted on 08/07/2002 12:53:23 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: jae471
Dude, you were in third grade in '88? Now I feel really old ...
35 posted on 08/07/2002 12:54:28 PM PDT by Junior
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To: GingisK
Gee, I wonder. Even male superintendents and principals come off looking like wussies in today's new zero tolerance/zero brains school atmosphere.
36 posted on 08/07/2002 12:58:12 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: cherry
"and here I thought it was the homosexual gays that were infiltrating the schools...."

You could be right. Its hard to tell them apart sometimes.
37 posted on 08/07/2002 1:15:38 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: ladylib
Even male superintendents and principals come off looking like wussies...

They surely do! What really drives me nuts is that those wussies are in charge, and we mere morals don't seem to be able to project our voices above the din. They seem to think they know what is best for our children and the good of the Nation; and, there is no redress.

I plan to lay a barrage of letters on the desk of the other set of pig-headded wussies in my life: my state and federal "represenatives". I am really dissapointed with the silence of the Republican party on these issues.

38 posted on 08/07/2002 1:29:16 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
Heck, I remember a picture of an F-16 in flight I drew in 6th grade. (I can't remember if I armed it or not.) It was displayed in the hall during art week. That was during the 91-92 school year. Imagine the reaction today, a mere ten years later.
39 posted on 08/07/2002 1:43:04 PM PDT by jae471
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To: GingisK
Democrats - Republicans - same thing really. Not a dime's worth of difference between them.
40 posted on 08/07/2002 3:28:17 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: PsyOp
Now, please tell me. A kid gets beat up by a bully. Out of the corner of his eye, while this is going on, he sees a teacher, a group of teachers, or a school security force sitting there doing nothing, as if they are watching a TV program. Tell me please, is he supposed to have any respect for these people? Or does he just look at them with disgust?
41 posted on 08/07/2002 3:31:47 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Maybe he should sue.
42 posted on 08/07/2002 3:38:28 PM PDT by pbear8
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To: TxBec; *Education News
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43 posted on 08/07/2002 3:59:01 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: ladylib
I'm sure he would look at them with disgust. Just as I did. The only thought I had was "If that were my daughter being beat up (and I had one that age in a different middle-school), I would want someone to do something.

I also spent 11 years in the Army where I was taught (or rather had reinforced), the idea that the strong are supposed to protect the weak, not victimize them. I did what was right. The problem is, doing what is right these days often makes you wrong in the eyes of the law.

I'm afraid that when I do get my credential, I will probably end up losing it because of those very convictions.

As a footnote: do you think the girl who butt I saved said "thank you" for taking one on the chin for her sake? One of the teachers commented to me later that what I did was dangerous, because one of them might have had a knife and used it on me.
44 posted on 08/07/2002 4:01:33 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: pbear8
No. Maybe he/she or his/her parents should just tell school officials (and the press for that matter, maybe that Sean Hannity person who has a radio program on WABC from 3 to 6 ALL OVER THE COUNTRY) what yellow-bellied creeps the school officials are and that he/she is very sorry but he/she can't return to the Lord of the Flies Middle School because the teachers and administrators are gutless crapheads that can't ensure his/her safety. Then check out private schools or the laws on homeschooling in the unfortunate state that the assault took place in. Is that a good idea?
45 posted on 08/07/2002 4:19:36 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Now, please tell me. A kid gets beat up by a bully. Out of the corner of his eye, while this is going on, he sees a teacher, a group of teachers, or a school security force sitting there doing nothing, as if they are watching a TV program. Tell me please, is he supposed to have any respect for these people? Or does he just look at them with disgust?

And people wonder why kids are carrying weapons to school (I did on a regular basis, and that was back in the early '90's).

46 posted on 08/07/2002 7:58:53 PM PDT by adx
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To: ladylib
It's a start!
47 posted on 08/07/2002 11:11:13 PM PDT by pbear8
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To: pbear8
Women teachers, have been more of the rule, rather than the exception, for a VERY long time. Why didn't more boys quit school, in the 1920's or the 1950's ?
48 posted on 08/07/2002 11:14:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: PsyOp
The least she and her parents could do was thank you. Doesn't say much for them.
49 posted on 08/08/2002 6:34:41 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Not a dime's worth of difference between them.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident.

50 posted on 08/08/2002 7:15:03 AM PDT by GingisK
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