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What is Fundamentalism?
Rutgers ^ | 8/8/02 | unknown

Posted on 08/08/2002 1:04:36 PM PDT by tpaine

WHAT IS FUNDAMENTALISM?

Modern day fundamentalism is an extreme reaction to the complexity and immorality of today's world. The knowledge and technology explosion has left many people confused and afraid. Their understandable longing for security leads some to look for a way to cut through the complexities of modern life and reestablish fundamental truths.
Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth.

FUNDAMENTALISTS AND POLITICS

Fundamentalism arises from a person's general approach to life. Not all fundamentalists are Christians or even religious. A fundamentalist's unyielding adherence to rigid doctrinal and ideological positions may find expression in his or her social and political, as well as religious, attitudes.

Violent fundamentalists are those who believe that the "rightness" of their cause justifies even the most heinous of crimes. They are right, and others have no rights. Whether "religious" and secular, down through the ages violent fundamentalists have been responsible for terrible atrocities--crusaders slaughtering Muslims, inquisitors torturing heretics, Nazis gassing Jews, communists annihilating counterrevolutionaries, capitalists tyrannizing the poor.

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"Their understandable longing for security --" leads some fundamentalists to believe that the "rightness" of their cause justifies violations of the constitution. -- Increasingly, many self-described 'conservatives' here at FR are exhibiting such behavior.
Perhaps, -- some may see themselves herein.
1 posted on 08/08/2002 1:04:36 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things

Much like this article.
2 posted on 08/08/2002 1:06:35 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Catch 22.

Although -- There are some simple truths in this world, imo.
3 posted on 08/08/2002 1:10:45 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
I would humbly agree with you.
4 posted on 08/08/2002 1:11:50 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Are fundamentalist stupid? ignorant? and uninformed? Is the opposite of fundamental - liberal? Therefore liberals are: wise, smart and well informed?
5 posted on 08/08/2002 1:14:05 PM PDT by Republican Babe
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To: chance33_98
Thanks.

Not many here do.
6 posted on 08/08/2002 1:16:05 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Republican Babe
Are fundamentalist stupid? ignorant? and uninformed?
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- Nope. -- From the article:

"Modern day fundamentalism is an extreme reaction to the complexity and immorality of today's world. The knowledge and technology explosion has left many people confused and afraid."
7 posted on 08/08/2002 1:20:35 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Republican Babe
Are fundamentalist stupid? ignorant? and uninformed? Is the opposite of fundamental - liberal?

I don't think so, on all accounts. I believe fundamental and liberal to be two sides of the same coin, and the need for security through the righteousness of cause to be the neuroses expressed in two different ways.

What seems to be a lot of politics, really isn't. It's human behavior and is be predictable. Politics must take this into account, but it must take it with a grain of salt.

8 posted on 08/08/2002 1:24:12 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: tpaine
Tolerance of other religious heritages, and respect for every person's freedom and obligation before God to follow his or her own conscience, do not tend to be strengths of fundamentalist groups. They can be quite narrow-minded and judgmental.

We as Catholics...do not presume to judge anyone's heart, but leave that to God alone.

Am I missing something here???

You judge me to be "judgemental" while telling me how you don't judge people?? What kind of idiot wrote this???

9 posted on 08/08/2002 1:25:34 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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Are fundamentalist stupid? ignorant? and uninformed?
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Arthur Koestler on some aspects fundamentalism:

"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.
We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion."
11 posted on 08/08/2002 1:27:49 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Whoa! The Roman Catholic Church against the Fundamentalists at Rutgers, eh? This may sound callous, but there's a bit of humor to be found here.
12 posted on 08/08/2002 1:29:05 PM PDT by eaglebeak
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To: tpaine
Campus Christian church wars. Should be interesting.
13 posted on 08/08/2002 1:31:03 PM PDT by eaglebeak
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To: tpaine
A fundamentalist's unyielding adherence to rigid doctrinal and ideological positions may find expression in his or her social and political, as well as religious, attitudes.

Violent fundamentalists are those who believe that the "rightness" of their cause justifies even the most heinous of crimes. They are right, and others have no rights. Whether "religious" and secular, down through the ages violent fundamentalists have been responsible for terrible atrocities--crusaders slaughtering Muslims, inquisitors torturing heretics, Nazis gassing Jews, communists annihilating counterrevolutionaries, capitalists tyrannizing the poor.

Or This:

A leftist's unyielding adherence to rigid doctrinal and ideological positions may find expression in his or her social and political, as well as religious, attitudes. Violent leftists are those who believe that the "rightness" of their cause justifies even the most heinous of crimes. They are right, and others have no rights. Whether "leftist" and secular, down through the ages violent leftists have been responsible for terrible atrocities--palestinians slaughtering Israelis, communists annihilating counterrevolutionaries, statists tyrannizing the poor.

Seems a better fit to me.

14 posted on 08/08/2002 1:32:59 PM PDT by tcostell
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To: tpaine
Rather than trying to understand the historical situation in which the books of the Bible were written and the literary styles they employ, fundamentalists believe that their English translations of the Bible must be understood literally, that is, the surface meaning must be accepted as true, word for word.

What kind of MORON thinks that English translations of the Bible must be understood literally?? I am exceedingly fundamentalist, and I have NEVER, EVER heard anyone claim this.

Do Catholics have so little ability to refute actual Fundamentalist, Bible-believing views that they must make up phony beliefs to argue against??

15 posted on 08/08/2002 1:33:30 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: tpaine
Skepsis is the natural and healthy state of a rational person.

Socialism is the chief form of modern fundamentalism; why do so many on this thread defend such an anti-rational frame-of-mind?
16 posted on 08/08/2002 1:33:37 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: tpaine
I tend to side a little with the Catholic interpretion of things, but the article makes it sound as if the Church is afraid of losing some of its flock to the Campus Crusade for Christ! Maybe each should be given a rugby team.
17 posted on 08/08/2002 1:34:45 PM PDT by eaglebeak
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To: Onelifetogive
Tolerance of other religious heritages, and respect for every person's freedom and obligation before God to follow his or her own conscience, do not tend to be strengths of fundamentalist groups. They can be quite narrow-minded and judgmental.
We as Catholics...do not presume to judge anyone's heart, but leave that to God alone.

Am I missing something here???

You judge me to be "judgemental" while telling me how you don't judge people?? What kind of idiot wrote this???
________________________________

Nope, I don't judge you, and the author claims he isn't either.

--- I purposely left out the religious parts of his article, because I can't defend them. -- I will defend the portions that I posted. Thanks.
18 posted on 08/08/2002 1:34:49 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
It's right in the name.

Da Mental (cases, defectives etc)

19 posted on 08/08/2002 1:35:29 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Onelifetogive
Actually, many Catholics are very scholarly and spend years and years studying scripture.
20 posted on 08/08/2002 1:37:09 PM PDT by eaglebeak
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To: eaglebeak
That is why I didn't post his articles religious parts.
-- His point is made quite well without that aspect, in the sections I did post.
21 posted on 08/08/2002 1:39:40 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tcostell
Yep, turnabout is fair play, imo.
22 posted on 08/08/2002 1:42:11 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth.

You mean, like when liberals argue for higher taxes, price controls on health care and other commodities, and laws that "get tough on business" while allowing the government to continue to snow us with phony budgets and balance sheets?? You mean like when the UN-lovers tell us that America's rightful concern with its own interests is "isolationist"? You mean like the liberals who spew out predictable epithets like "homophobic" and "racist" rather than actually talk about ideas?

Violent fundamentalists are those who believe that the "rightness" of their cause justifies even the most heinous of crimes. They are right, and others have no rights.

You mean, like environmentalist whackos?

Whether "religious" and secular, down through the ages violent fundamentalists have been responsible for terrible atrocities--crusaders slaughtering Muslims, inquisitors torturing heretics, Nazis gassing Jews, communists annihilating counterrevolutionaries, capitalists tyrannizing the poor.

Capitalists tyrannizing the poor. Capitalists paying low wages are like Hitler gassing the Jews? Ya gotta love it. Take all of the hardship imposed on the poor by capitalism (child labor, whatever), and it pales to insignificance besides the damage done by fundamentalist liberal social engineers.

Capitalism at least brings prosperity over time to most people, even if it takes generations. The same cannot ever be said of left-wing social engineering.

I note also that the Muslims are here presented only as victims of the Crusades. I guess Muslim fundamentalism is not that widespread.

But I do agree that fundamentalist liberals here and abroad are the biggest long-term problem that the US currently faces. We'll eventually stop the Muslim fundamentalists, but I doubt we'll ever stop the fundamentalist totalitarian leftists in our government and institutions.

23 posted on 08/08/2002 1:42:42 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Catspaw
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24 posted on 08/08/2002 1:43:51 PM PDT by eaglebeak
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To: headsonpikes
Socialism is the chief form of modern fundamentalism; why do so many on this thread defend such an anti-rational frame-of-mind?
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Indeed, why do so many 'conservatives' on this forum defend such anti-rational attacks on their own constitutional rights? - It's mindboggling.

25 posted on 08/08/2002 1:47:12 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"Fundamentalism" is actually believing and trying to live by the principles your religion espouses. Clearly a bad thing.

Much better the mealy-mouthed, watered-down, terminally compromised "let's all be nice" socially acceptable version of religion that God's avowed enemies want you to practice in its stead.
26 posted on 08/08/2002 2:08:30 PM PDT by Norman Conquest
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To: allend

"Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth."

That's right, don't try to refute it logically. Just make an ad hominem attack against its adherents.
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It's pretty hard to make a general point about adherants to a philosophy without stating your opinion on their behaviors. - I've seen the above types of behavior here on FR, mostly in defending governmental positions on guns & drugs.
-- They are made virtually every day, by many different people here, who could all fairly be called 'fundamentalists' of one sort or amother.
27 posted on 08/08/2002 2:35:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Norman Conquest
"Fundamentalism" is actually believing and trying to live by the principles your religion espouses. Clearly a bad thing.

Much better the mealy-mouthed, watered-down, terminally compromised "let's all be nice" socially acceptable version of religion that God's avowed enemies want you to practice in its stead.
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"Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth."


28 posted on 08/08/2002 2:39:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth."

Kind of like Objectivists and Libertarians!

29 posted on 08/08/2002 2:54:54 PM PDT by Dat
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To: Dat
WHAT IS FUNDAMENTALISM?
Modern day fundamentalism is an extreme reaction to the complexity and immorality of today's world. The knowledge and technology explosion has left many people confused and afraid. Their understandable longing for security leads some to look for a way to cut through the complexities of modern life and reestablish fundamental truths.
Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth.
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Kind of like Objectivists and Libertarians! - dat
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Not really, dat, when taken in the context of the rest of the article.
- Got any more wit-less remarks about the whole thing?
-- Humor on this subject is sorely lacking.
30 posted on 08/08/2002 3:34:29 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Modern day fundamentalism is an extreme reaction to the complexity and immorality of today's world...Their understandable longing for security leads some to look for a way to cut through the complexities of modern life and reestablish fundamental truths. Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth.

Fundamentalism may oppose the immorality of today's world, and may appear to oppose its complexity, but how does the author expect to establish his claim that fundamentalism is an extreme reaction etc.? I skimmed the article from the link you provided, but found no support for these claims. Perhaps you would be so kind...?

The world, including fundamentalism, is indeed complex. Perhaps the author is himself reacting to the complexity by trying to see things in simple terms: fundamentalism is a reaction.

And having produced this "theory of fundmentalism" without the benefit of any evidence, he now forces all of his observations to fit into this framework.

Of course, that is how the social "sciences" seem to operate these days.

31 posted on 08/08/2002 3:47:29 PM PDT by Kyrie
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To: Onelifetogive
Do Catholics have so little ability to refute actual Fundamentalist, Bible-believing views that they must make up phony beliefs to argue against??
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Sorry for the late reply: --

-- I purposely left out the religious parts of his article, because I can't defend them. -- I will defend the portions that I posted. Thanks.

32 posted on 08/08/2002 3:51:07 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Kyrie
Fundamentalism may oppose the immorality of today's world, and may appear to oppose its complexity, but how does the author expect to establish his claim that fundamentalism is an extreme reaction etc.? --- Perhaps you would be so kind...?
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I see these extreme reactions from self described 'conservative' fundamentalists virtually every day here at FR.
- They defend a states 'right' [Ca.] to prohibit 'assault weapons'.
--- They defend the federal WoDs.
They even defend the silly act of congress that we must call ourselves a nation 'under' God, and rant that we should make an amendment to that effect.
On & on, you can go through most any thread, and get such fundamentalist fervor.

Please, try to say it isn't so. - I wish it wasn't.

33 posted on 08/08/2002 4:11:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
The fact is that this market fundamentalism is simply consistent demand for individual human liberty, nothing less or more. It is now targeted as something bad because “fundamentalism” has been associated with terrorism and mindlessness. But, why not be a fundamentalist here? Why should democracy, for example, be allowed to limit our economic liberty? Who are these majorities, with some kind of mysterious moral authority, to... force others---to conform to various terms before they may carry on their commercial or economic activities? Isn’t it the point of the famous example of the unruly lynch mob that individuals may not be sent off to the gallows or otherwise limited in their liberty unless it has been demonstrated, by way of due process, that they have forfeited their right to liberty?
34 posted on 08/08/2002 4:23:24 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Texasforever
Fundamentalist bump. - Any input? Any words of wisdom?
35 posted on 08/08/2002 4:26:08 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Onelifetogive
I too am a fundamentalist and agree with your assessment. Everyone I know spends lots of time studying the original languages, various translations and commentaries on scripture, and studies about the culture and historical background of the scriptures.

Yes, the scriptures are the literal Word of God, but they are also written by men for men. I don't know of anyone who believes God is a rock (Psalm 18:2), a door (John 10:7), nor any of the other figurative descriptions of Him.

Modern day fundamentalism is an extreme reaction to the complexity and immorality of today's world. The knowledge and technology explosion has left many people confused and afraid. Their understandable longing for security leads some to look for a way to cut through the complexities of modern life and reestablish fundamental truths. Fundamentalists try to satisfy their "lust for certitude" by oversimplifying things, by making a passionate commitment to a part, and sometimes to a distortion, of the truth.

I don't think so. I know fundamentalists who are fighter pilots, Green Berets, computer-system designers, doctors, and change-management experts. They don't fear change. Many of us thrive on change. If it is good change.

Fundamentalists know that there is a thing called Truth. And that truths build upon Truth. If the foundation of a building is corrupt, the building is corrupt and will not stand. The same with civilizations, individuals, and businesses. If their beliefs are correctly built upon Truth, they will be truth. (Sometimes we have incorrectly built upon Truth, with disastrous results. Also, sometimes we have built upon lies, thinking we were building upon Truth. Again, this leads to disastrous results.

36 posted on 08/08/2002 4:29:13 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: gitmo
Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/America---

37 posted on 08/08/2002 4:31:12 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: tpaine
This same author had a problem with Hell too. Obviously he has alot of problems.

If God is love (1 Jn 4:8), how can God damn sinners to hell? The answer: God doesn't! God can't damn anyone to hell. Love keeps no record of wrongs (1 Cor 13:5, Heb 8:12; Is 43:25).

I stopped reading here. The fellow is obviously very confused.

38 posted on 08/08/2002 4:40:56 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: tpaine
From the same author....

God will not damn anyone to hell. If people do go to hell it is only because they have knowingly and willingly chosen to separate themselves from God's love. Hell is like a room with the lock on the inside.

Ahhhhh, like a lock on the inside.

Maybe a lock on the inside with the key forever lost and a flame thrower pointed at your butt on full blast while worms eat your flesh.

39 posted on 08/08/2002 4:48:10 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: f.Christian
I have nothing against the basic points of your linked article:

Why I Am a Free Market Fundamentalist
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725625/posts

But I don't much like the use of the term, in that context. A 'free market' is not normally advocated by those who believe in 'strict orthodoxy'. To me, the language tends to confuse the issue.
40 posted on 08/08/2002 4:49:52 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Lowelljr
I won't defend his religious views. - Only the points that I posted. - Thanks.
41 posted on 08/08/2002 4:54:56 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Lowelljr
Maybe a lock on the inside with the key forever lost and a flame thrower pointed at your butt on full blast while worms eat your flesh.
______________________________
Maybe. --
But maybe you have some weird views of your own.
42 posted on 08/08/2002 4:57:43 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
The founding fathers I believe were interested in wealth--character--virtue...not ideology---hedonism!
43 posted on 08/08/2002 4:59:09 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: chance33_98
ROFLOL
44 posted on 08/08/2002 5:06:56 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: tpaine
I see these extreme reactions from self described 'conservative' fundamentalists virtually every day here at FR.

You see comments posted that you interpret as "extreme reactions"--just as the author of this piece interprets fundamentalism as an "extreme reaction." The author attributes this as a reaction to the perceived immorality and complexity of the modern world. You omit any attribution regarding the source of the "reaction." What do you think the "fundamentalists" are "reacting" to?

And neither the author nor you give any evidence that would in any way prove that these actions are indeed "reactions" to anything. Perhaps the truth is exactly what the author says it is (including the correctness of Catholicism) but no evidence is given for his bald assertions. Of course, he is not available to correct this.

You, on the other hand, have the opportunity to give evidence for your claim. Let me ask you again, and I will make my question as specific as possible: What thing or things specifically do you believe that fundamentalists are "reacting" to? And what evidence can you present here that would support the claim that fundamentalism is a "reaction" to those things--or to anything else, for that matter?

I suspect that the truth is a little different. Perhaps the author detests fundamentalism. Perhaps the author thinks that he understands the "flawed origins" of fundamentalism, and that by thus explaining away this phenomenon simply as a reaction of simplistic people, it will become a little less attractive to all right-thinking folks. Perhaps your aims are not that different from the author's. In this case, neither of you would let a little thing like lack of evidence slow you down!

Please, try to say it isn't so. - I wish it wasn't.

I won't say it isn't so, because I have no hard evidence to establish my claim. In case you haven't figured it out yet, it is nearly impossible to obtain unequivocal evidence for claims regarding the reasons for human behavior, both in individuals and in groups. So it comes to this: it is easy to observe what fundamentalists (or libertarians, or whatever group) actually do, but to say why they do them is nothing but conjecture. And when someone such as this author purports to give the reasons for what fundamentalists do, I would suggest (without proof) that it is more likely that he has an agenda to push than it is that he has rare insight into the human condition.

But don't let lack of evidence slow your agenda down. You're clearly on a roll.

45 posted on 08/08/2002 5:07:55 PM PDT by Kyrie
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To: tpaine
What irks me are the people who rigidly adhere to the idea that government is not to become involved in certain areas of our life, and are insistent upon a hundred limitations and leave no room for social progress put forward by liberal-minded individuals. They refuse to accept the need for social change, and even if they do, they demand that the government stay out of the proccess. They are obsessed with vague ideas on freedom and liberty, even at the expense of other viewpoints and the greater good of the social order- they refuse to protect people from certain substances in the name of vague "liberty". They seem particularly adherent to an outdated document and the related ideas connected to that document, apparently believing centuries old political beliefs laid down by rich white males can be used to solve the complex social and political problems of our day. < sarcasm >
46 posted on 08/08/2002 5:10:14 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: Kyrie
Kyrie:
Fundamentalism may oppose the immorality of today's world, and may appear to oppose its complexity, but how does the author expect to establish his claim that fundamentalism is an extreme reaction etc.? --- Perhaps you would be so kind...?
________________________________

I see these extreme reactions from self described 'conservative' fundamentalists virtually every day here at FR.
- They defend a states 'right' [Ca.] to prohibit 'assault weapons'.
--- They defend the federal WoDs.
They even defend the silly act of congress that we must call ourselves a nation 'under' God, and rant that we should make an amendment to that effect.
On & on, you can go through most any thread, and get such fundamentalist fervor.

Please, try to say it isn't so. - I wish it wasn't.
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What thing or things specifically do you believe that fundamentalists are "reacting" to? And what evidence can you present here that would support the claim that fundamentalism is a "reaction" to those things--or to anything else, for that matter? Kyrie


Read my post above. I made specific points on the over-reactions I see every day at FR.
You can't address them or understand them? Sorry bout that.
47 posted on 08/08/2002 5:32:59 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Cleburne
What irks me are the people who pay lip service here at FR to the idea that government is not to become involved in certain areas of our life, but are then insistant that government intervene in matters of health [drugs] safety [guns] and 'morals'.
- Rank fundamentalist hypocrisy, imo.
48 posted on 08/08/2002 5:45:57 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Cultural Jihad
Fundmentalist bump.
Any comments on hypocrisy, cj?
49 posted on 08/08/2002 6:07:42 PM PDT by tpaine
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