Will We Invade Iraq Or Not?

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[Husker24]

I meant support here at home, I could care less about the EU, we could do it better and faster without them.

[Arkinsaw]

If you really want to roll on someone I say China. She's a lot more of a threat right now than Iraq will be in 50 years.

I'd love to see your battle plan for conquering China.

[11B3]

Yes, China is the final target. There is no 'negotiating' with them, or hoping that somehow through engagement that they will see the light and turn towards freedom. No way. The leadership there has too many ways to keep the populace willingly enslaved - especially through nationalistic and racist pride.

At every turn in this war on terror, if you look at our opposition they have just received new weapons systems from China. The only reason that Saddam is a threat at all is that he is taking his orders from the PLA. He's just another hired gun - just like Osama was. Another attempt to wear down the American military as well as our will to continue the war. Typical underestimation by our enemy, and typical of the Chinese to do everything possible to avoid doing the dirty work themselves. They forget what this nation is capable of when united against a common foe. Ironically, it's all been paid for by the American consumer. The Chinese Communist Party and the PLA thank you for shopping at Wal Mart.

[Kevin Curry]

I don't see it happening in the next 3 or 4 months. After that, all bets are off.

The buildup has been deliberate and painstaking and has been underway for at least eight months, as far as I can tell. It is the worst-kept secret on the planet.

[SunStar]

Maniac?

These are your words:

"As for the FR, suffice it to say that it has become a receptacle for the most lurid Russophobic, Francophobic, Europhobic, and Arabophobic sentiment, and for the most abject Israel-worship, that I hardly ever bother to post here. What a buch of boneheads some of you posters are! Gad!"

Maybe you don't agree with the President or the majority of American conservatives here. By American I mean America-First, not last, behing murdurous Islamic thugs. The maniacs are the 7th-century cretins trying to convert the world to their own religious fanaticism. They are the true maniacs. We allowed them to continue to escalate in order to please the "tolerant", "multi-cultural" internationalists.

No more. The line was crossed last September.

(Were the Allied troops in WWII simply jew-worshipping maniacs too?)

[SunStar]

Almost all of us on this thread think an attack is highly likely. Why would our opinion be at such odds with what other people are telling me.

Because your friends are falling prey to (or in agreement with) the media's reporting of mass hesitation, scepticism, and down-right idiocy of the anti-war types. I think President Bush's speech on September 20, 2001 explains the Administration's positions quite clearly. I expect the President to abide by his own doctrine.

[SunStar]

But why would they read the signs of the times so differently?

Differing world views are quite normal. So is refusing to accept reality.

[Centurion2000]

The real question is: who do we invade next after iraq is taken care of?

Iraq is the capstone country in the arch of the Middle East. Once it is invaded and occupied it's ports and land transport across from Turkey serve as a staging and jump off point to anywhere in the Middle East.

[SunStar]

It seems to me the longer we wait the less likely it will be. Support seems to be evaporateing quickly.

On the contrary. Support never existed. Support is being gathered right now... We will have a coalition in place (at least Britain, Australia, Germany, Turkey and others), as well as U.S. Congressional approval, IMHO. (Maybe even a green light from the UN if Saddam keeps the B.S. coming...)

[DentsRun]

The only reason that Saddam is a threat at all is that he is taking his orders from the PLA.

Saddam takes orders from nobody, which is why he lost so many troops and tanks in the first Gulf War.

[SunStar]

If you really want to roll on someone I say China. She's a lot more of a threat right now than Iraq will be in 50 years.

Only if we fight a war to defend Taiwan.

The Islamics have directly attacked us, multiple times throughout the 1990's, culminating in the largest single attack on our shores -- EVER. No, I think the most immediate threat is extremist Islam.

[SunStar]

We wont go after anyone after Iraq, unless Syria holds true to their mutual defence pact with Iraq, which they wont. Im sure the CIA is working hard to aid forces in Iran to bring about democratic change, this wont be done by military means. As for Saudi Arabia, I would love to see us invade and occupy it, but we all know thats not going to happen.

After Hussein goes down, and Arafat is replaced, the Saudi's will start behaving properly again...

[July 4th]

Did anyone else notice what Comedy Central's doing tonight? They're replaying all of the Saturday Night Live's from the Gulf War era. I just watched a classic episode of "Wayne's World" where Wayne and Garth were ripping on Wolf Blitzer's name.

[mysonsfuture]

After Iraq ? How about a military occupation of Berkely and Madison?

[boris]

I foresee numerous problems for any "invasion".

Firstly, our "allies" in the Middle East are not our allies and they are refusing to let us place troops there. Not too good if you're planning 250,000 people to build up for an "invasion". The Saudis won't let us use a base we built in their country the last time we saved their butts.

Nextly, Hussein won't wait as we slowly build up a gigantic invasion force. The instant he sees the buildup starting, he will launch everything he has at Israel, Kuwait, and maybe Saudi Arabia. Then what?

Finally, if the U.S. builds up in the Gulf, that will essentially remove our forces in Afghanistan. Other nations are watching eagerly for us to become further embroiled in the Middle East. Specifically China and North Korea.

If we commit large forces in the M.E., China might decide to move on Taiwan. Simultaneously, N. Korea might decide to "unify" with the South.

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This is why I quite seriously propose that we nuke Baghdad. Quick and surprising. This would eliminate Saddam--even if he survives in some bunker, his entire power base would be gone. "Next!"

--Boris

[DentsRun]

The Islamics have directly attacked us, multiple times throughout the 1990's, culminating in the largest single attack on our shores -- EVER. No, I think the most immediate threat is extremist Islam.

Here's what I don't understand. A bunch of Saudi Nationals, directed from Afghanistan attack the World Trade Center,kill 3000 Americans and what's the conclusion of have the people here? "Attack Iraq."

Why Iraq? Neither the CIA nor the FBI found any evidence that Saddam was behind 9-11. Brent Scrowcroft, Dick Amery and, if the Washington Post can believed, many senior Pentago officers believe we're better off just containing Saddam. If we need to attack someone to show we're not wimps, I think a better case can be made for attacking Saudi Arabia. That's where (nearly) all the terroists came from. That's where Osama grew up.

Or if we're worried about a country's ability to carry out it's threats, we should attack China. She's the one that downed an American reconissance plane last year. We didn't do diddleysquat about that. We apologized for flying our plane in international airspace instead. We expressed our sincere condolences for their having lost a hotshot nutcase pilot who nearly killed everyone on our plane. They stole all our sophisticated reconissance gear and we didn't even make them pay for it. Saddam can't do anything to us.China has hydrogen weapons, ICBMs with mirved warheads, spy satellites and she's about to put a man in space. If the Taiwan issue heats up, China has the means to sink our aircraft carriers. And what's the overwhelming solution posted here?--attack Iraq. I don't know. What am I missing?

[SunStar]

What you're missing is that Hussein and Arafat are the two most important figureheads for Islamic extremism in the Arab world. They are also the most powerful, in the sense that they have both made a complete mockery of the U.S., in public. If we are to fight this war on Islamic terrorism, the cookie will only start to crumble when Hussein is out of power, followed by Arafat. Once those guys are out of commission (or at least out of power), the rest of the Arab world will be on good behavior, and will assist the U.S. by dismantling the terror groups. If Saudi Arabia (our best friend AND worst enemy in the region) decides to cooperate at that point, they will have averted war with the U.S. But we need to finish the job in Iraq in order to be taken seriously.

Plus, you have heard about his weapons capabilities, as well as current nuclear projects, right? Well, he is one person in the position to use them. Most if not all other nuclear/biological/chemical-equipped nations currently have some level of deterrent in place.

I don't know how else to put it. We are perceived as weak. Continuing with the Bush Doctrine will remedy this unfortunate fact.

[SunStar]

BTW, I don't disagree with China being an obvious threat and potential enemy. But this has been the case since the 1940's, and until there is a real reason to "deal with" China, I see no reason to actively engage them right now. Especially since the Islamic threat CURRENTLY exists. China didn't attack New York. The Wahabi Islamist movement did. (Saudi AND Iraqi funded.)

[WhirlwindAttack]

You can only mass an attack so many times. The attack will be all-out, brutal and decisive. No pin pricks, like in Afganistan, I assure you.

Back when we were preparing Desert Shield I worked for a liberal small town weekly newspaper (The L Leader). The editor/owner wrote an editorial days before we kicked off saying we would not attack Iraq.
During a meeting I told him I disagreed with his opinion. And that we would not put our toys into the sandbox and not play with them. Within days we were rolling tanks across the border. My employment ended about the same time as the gulf action.

My final words to him as I left were,"You will be out of business within a year because of your own liberal attitude"
They folded within 6 months.

We will fix Iraq this time and if there is any justice in this world we will not stop there. I advise pounding radical islam flat and aquire all their resources as reperations for war damages. If we do not finish the job this time GWB will be a "one termer" and our nation may harmed beyond repair. (two words- "president hitlery")
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