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They supported Hitler: John Hagee warns America's security depends on Israel's survival
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, August 9, 2002 | John Hagee

Posted on 08/08/2002 10:48:13 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

And now they endorse Osama bin Laden and they want to control Jerusalem after driving the Jews into the sea.

Shortly after the bombing at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, thousands of radical Islamic Palestinians gathered in Gaza to celebrate the death and destruction of a suicide bomber at the University.

The spiritual leader of Hamas not only called for more attacks, but also stated that the only way to end the violence was for all Jews to leave Israel.

The conflict between Arabs and Jews goes back to the birth of Isaac, the son of covenant, and Ishmael, who God said would be "A wild man whose hand shall be against every man and every man's hand against him." (Genesis 16:12)

The descendants of Isaac and Ishmael wage war over the land God promised to Abraham. "There is no solution" wrote Israeli hero David Ben-Gurion. We want the country to be ours. They want the country to be theirs."

The conflict between Arabs and Jews goes deeper than the dispute over the land of Israel. The conflict is theological. It is Judaism vs. Islam. Islamic theology insists that Islam triumphs over everything else. That's why when you visit an Arabic city, the Islamic prayer tower is the highest point in the city.

The Arabs believe that Jesus, Moses, David and several other Hebrews were prophets – however, Mohammad was the greatest prophet. Though Muslims revere the Bible, they hold the Koran as the absolute true word of God revealed through the angel Gabriel to Mohammad. Muslims believe that Allah is God, that he has neither father nor mother, and that he has no sons.

The bold Arabic inscription that circumscribes the Dome of the Rock proclaims, "God has no son."

Don't be confused by liberal theologians that teach that Allah is just another name for the same God worshipped by Christians and Jews. Allah is the moon god, married to the sun goddess, represented by the crescent moon that is visible on every mosque throughout the Muslim world.

Nor should you think that Arabs are as tolerant about religion as most Western people. Religion is the hub of an Arab's life. Every activity, thought, feeling or custom is regulated by the laws of Islam.

Muslims are so devout that they will not tolerate criticism of their religion. Remember Salman Rushdie? In 1989, his novel, "The Satanic Verses," based upon verses Mohammad supposedly received from the devil, resulted in his death sentence. The novelist was forced into hiding when the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran announced a $3 million reward to anyone who'd kill the writer.

Understand this: No matter what Islamic fundamentalists say about peace, their religion demands that they fight and kill Christians and Jews. Islam proclaims a theology of triumphalism. Simply translated, Muslims believe that it's the will of Allah for Islam to rule the world.

Islamic law stipulates that to fulfill Mohammad's vision for world domination, every "infidel domain" must be considered a territory of war. According to Moris Farhi, author of "The Last of Days," Muslims believe that there can be no peace with Jews or Christians or any other non-Islamic people, and that if peace must be made, only a truce is permissible and that "for a maximum of 10 years as an expedient to hone our swords, whet our blood, and strengthen our will." Mohammad made physical violence an invincible, yet integral, part of that faith.

Islamic theology boils down to one condition: The fundamentalist Islamics must destroy the Jews and rule Israel, or Mohammad is a false prophet and the Koran is not true. Such a thought is absolutely inconceivable!

For that reason, the fundamentalist Islamic, who represents the majority of Arabs, must attack Israel and the Jews to be loyal to their faith. The strategy of the current terrorist wave in Israel is as simple as it is satanic: Kill so many Jews that they will eventually abandon Jerusalem and the desire for a Jewish state.

The recent bombing of the Hebrew University with thousands of Islamic Palestinians dancing in the streets of Gaza was a portrait of their faith.

The war against terrorism which is spawned by radical Islamic fundamentalism in Israel must be totally defeated. Israel's war against terrorism is America's war against terrorism. Why? Because if the terrorists destroy the Jewish state they will feel empowered by Allah to destroy America through terrorism. Let us pray for the peace of Jerusalem because the peace of America also hangs in the balance.


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Friday, August 9, 2002

Quote of the Day by MissAmericanPie

1 posted on 08/08/2002 10:48:14 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: knighthawk; dennisw; zion_ist; Robert_Paulson2; The Sword; Sabramerican; xm177e2; Lent; angelo; ...
Heads up
2 posted on 08/08/2002 10:49:12 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The bold Arabic inscription that circumscribes the Dome of the Rock proclaims, "God has no son."

He he he, as if they knew...

3 posted on 08/08/2002 11:46:48 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: JohnHuang2
Arabs are the minions of the Devil whose name is Allah. Mohammed is the False Prophet foretold in the Bible. There is no act of evil that these people would not do in Allah's name.
4 posted on 08/09/2002 12:07:20 AM PDT by etcetera
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To: JohnHuang2
Tell it like it is Rev. Hagee! BTTT
5 posted on 08/09/2002 1:20:12 AM PDT by brat
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To: JohnHuang2
I can only agree here, with the article and the keywords!
7 posted on 08/09/2002 6:16:47 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: SANDNES
Religions are all false by definition

If the definition of Christianity is a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ how does that make Christianity false?

8 posted on 08/09/2002 6:33:47 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: JohnHuang2
The conflict between Arabs and Jews goes back to the birth of Isaac, the son of covenant, and Ishmael, who God said would be "A wild man whose hand shall be against every man and every man's hand against him." (Genesis 16:12)

I am suspicious of people who claim the conflict between Arabs and Jews is biblical. It is not biblical; it dates back only to the Nineteenth Century, when Jews began moving to back Palestine and Arabs, who had never had much interest in the place, became jealous when someone else moved in and started fixing it up.

9 posted on 08/09/2002 6:34:42 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: JohnHuang2
How do we overcome the world press that seems infatuated with peace between all religions when clearly as Haggee points out Islam does not want toleration only domination.Because in todays society a lot of what we say and do is based on the idea brought forth by none other than Rodney King?"What can't we all just get along?"Well according to muslim precepts that will never happen.And most folks in America believe that the Muslim mainstream is no threat.But it is, since it does not believe in a co-existence.Other freeper thoughts would be appreciated.
10 posted on 08/09/2002 6:42:13 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SANDNES
You are the one who is the definition of "ignorant rubbish." Go back to DU, where atheism, lack of deodorant, and communism are still in style.
11 posted on 08/09/2002 6:43:27 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: JohnHuang2
Hagee the generalizing idiot-hypocrit strikes again.

Religion is the hub of an Arab's life. Every activity, thought, feeling or custom is regulated by the laws of Islam. Muslims are so devout that they will not tolerate criticism of their religion.

Isn't religion the hub of Hagee's life? As well as that of his devout followers? Would they not wish to regulate every activity, thought, feeling, and custom in America? Do they tolerate criticism of their religion?

If Hagee believes that our security depends on Israel's survival, is he proposing that we station a massive amount of troops there? Declare that any attack upon Israel is considered an attack upon the U.S. which will be responded to with our most powerful weapons?

Hagee is just another cheap huckster constantly searching for the right words to inspire his followers to cough up more MONEY.

12 posted on 08/09/2002 7:13:29 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: JohnHuang2
The fundamentalist Islamics must destroy the Jews and rule Israel, or Mohammad is a false prophet and the Koran is not true.

Mohammad is a false prophet. The evil he perpetuated will be destroyed, soon.

13 posted on 08/09/2002 7:30:40 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: JohnHuang2
The recent bombing of the Hebrew University with thousands of Islamic Palestinians dancing in the streets of Gaza was a portrait of their faith.

Israel must take a hard line against those who celebrate murder by terrorism. Anyone who aids, comforts, or shows support for terrorists MUST be treated as terrorists, themselves.

14 posted on 08/09/2002 7:34:48 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Ajnin
Just ignore it. It ain't worth arguing this subject with some here.
15 posted on 08/09/2002 7:37:27 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: muleboy
If Hagee believes that our security depends on Israel's survival, is he proposing that we station a massive amount of troops there?

You are drawing a conclusion based on information you don't have. He never mentioned troops, YOU did.

16 posted on 08/09/2002 7:37:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: rdb3
LOL
17 posted on 08/09/2002 7:48:41 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: AppyPappy
Hence the use of the word "IF" at the beginning of the sentence, which indicates that a question is being asked. It is impossible to draw a conclusion with a question. Questions are used to inspire analysis and provoke debate.

The specific question is of troop placement. The implied question is to what extent does Hagee believe the U.S. should insure Israel's survival in light of his assertion that our security is dependent upon it?

That question could include, changing the Constitution to reflect his assertion, changing U.S. declared defense policy, energy policy, and of course, as always, MONETARY policy. Where does Hagee draw the line?

18 posted on 08/09/2002 8:12:22 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: muleboy
Do they tolerate criticism of their religion?

Are you suggesting John Hagee does not tolerate criticism of Christianity ?
Thats interesting. Please elaborate.
19 posted on 08/09/2002 8:25:04 AM PDT by usastandsunited
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To: Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices
bump
20 posted on 08/09/2002 8:27:51 AM PDT by billbears
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To: SANDNES
Put down the Orwell and get some sleep. You definitely need to broaden your intellectual base.
21 posted on 08/09/2002 8:32:04 AM PDT by bvw
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To: billbears
Pastor Hagee has it so right--we sell out Israel and we are history. Nor will our eternity be very kool :-(
22 posted on 08/09/2002 9:13:51 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: billbears
Though Muslims revere the Bible, they hold the Koran as the absolute true word of God revealed through the angel Gabriel to Mohammad. Muslims believe that Allah is God, that he has neither father nor mother, and that he has no sons.

First, if Muslims revered the Bible, it begs the question why? According to their Muslim beliefs the entire New Testatment must be discarded since Muslims deny the Godhood of Jesus Christ, and the existence of the Holy Trinity. Considering the New Testatment is based upon foundations from the Old Testament and God's promise of His son, and that the Jews are His chosen people, they must deny the Old testatment as well. Why would they revere what their religion holds to be a lie?

That leaves them with a god, obviously not the same God that is the Father of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

23 posted on 08/09/2002 9:23:25 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Ff--150
Muslims believe that there can be no peace with Jews or Christians or any other non-Islamic people. So they KILL them. Islam - the peaceful religion. < /SARCASM >
24 posted on 08/09/2002 9:27:21 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Ff--150
Muslims believe that there can be no peace with Jews or Christians or any other non-Islamic people.

So they KILL them. Islam - the peaceful religion. < /SARCASM >

Calling Isalm peaceful is like calling me a great typist!

25 posted on 08/09/2002 9:28:27 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
World domination by Islam is Islam's goal. We're all laid back since 9/11, thinking that was a movie or tv program we were watching, but they have plans for the whole world. And these ninnies who whine about Hagee's money, when the entire wealth of America couldn't pay the interest for one day of interest for the wealth of Saudia Arabia. Sheech!
26 posted on 08/09/2002 9:40:21 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: muleboy
The implied question is to what extent does Hagee believe the U.S. should insure Israel's survival in light of his assertion that our security is dependent upon it?

Once again, you drew a conclusion based on information you didn't have. The word "IF" was merely window-dressing. You were setting up a strawman.

That question could include, changing the Constitution to reflect his assertion, changing U.S. declared defense policy, energy policy, and of course, as always, MONETARY policy. Where does Hagee draw the line?

Hagee didn't mention any of that. You did. Answer your own question and leave him out of it.

27 posted on 08/09/2002 9:52:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Hagee didn't mention the violent history of Christianity and it's present day manifestations either.

I have already answered my own questions with the conclusion that Hagee is a hypocritical idiot and a huckster.

But upon re-reading his rant, the only pro-active action he prescribed was "to pray for the peace of Jerusalem". Whatever that entails?

I'm so moved, where should I send the check?

28 posted on 08/09/2002 10:03:05 AM PDT by muleboy
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To: Ff--150
World domination by Islam is Islam's goal.

So why is Joe Lieberman calling for more Palestinian immigration to America? Why does Sandra Feldman want Sami Al-Arian back in his South Florida classroom? Why did every Democrat Senator with religious ties to Israel block America from drilling in ANWR and sending less money to the Saudis? Why is Ruben working, for over a million a month, for Citigroup whose largest shareholder is a Saudi prince? Why is it when I turn on TV it is always a Democrat lawyer blasting Bush or Ashcroft for being mean to those poor terrorists we are holding in custody?

29 posted on 08/09/2002 10:04:59 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: muleboy
Hagee didn't mention the violent history of Christianity and it's present day manifestations either.

That's because it is a lie. More people have been killed by state-sponsered atheism in the last 100 years than all the Christian wars combined.

30 posted on 08/09/2002 10:17:44 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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yeh, I guess all them battles between the Israelites and Philistines, Syrians, Persians, Egyptians etc. etc. never happened.

You've embarrassed yourself.
31 posted on 08/09/2002 10:25:25 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: AppyPappy
A lie? Hmmm, all those books describing Europe's history for the last millenia must have been propaganda? But then, I did attend state-sponsored schools.

There are lies, damned lies, and of course, statistics. Try reading some of the history of Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. You might find that many deaths resulted from human prejudice and greed, much of it state-sponsored, and almost always incorporating the ever useful component of "religion".

Has state-sponsored atheism killed more people? Perhaps. Has religious extremism killed a higher percentage of the population at any given time in history? Most probably. In the absence of powerful atheistic states, will future deaths reflect the economic, cultural, and religious divisions? Most certainly.

Including the current dilemma? Absolutely, according to Mr. Hagee.

32 posted on 08/09/2002 10:34:43 AM PDT by muleboy
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yeh, I guess all them battles between the Israelites and Philistines, Syrians, Persians, Egyptians etc. etc. never happened.

You've embarrassed yourself.

None of the groups you mention was Arab. There is no battle mentioned in the Bible between the Israelites and the Arabs.

33 posted on 08/09/2002 11:13:37 AM PDT by Inyokern
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Nothing wrong with living by it, but the god you pray to is no more 'real' than anyone elses.

Who said I praid to any god? By the way , you still didn't answer my question. Why is Christianity false if by definition it is a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ?

36 posted on 08/10/2002 3:17:43 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: JohnHuang2
The conflict between Arabs and Jews goes back to the birth of Isaac, the son of covenant, and Ishmael, who God said would be "A wild man whose hand shall be against every man and every man's hand against him." (Genesis 16:12)

The descendants of Isaac and Ishmael wage war over the land God promised to Abraham. "There is no solution" wrote Israeli hero David Ben-Gurion. We want the country to be ours. They want the country to be theirs."

That about says it all.

38 posted on 08/11/2002 11:17:10 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: muleboy
Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
39 posted on 08/11/2002 11:19:08 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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But upon re-reading his rant, the only pro-active action he prescribed was "to pray for the peace of Jerusalem". Whatever that entails?

That entails, praying for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ, because then and only then will there be peace in Jerusalem..

40 posted on 08/11/2002 11:22:27 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: SANDNES
What you agree or don't agree with me with is totally irrelevant.
41 posted on 08/11/2002 11:22:56 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I really wish the administration would stop casting this in some type of religious context . ISLAM is less a religion than a system of government. Islamic governments base their entire structure on the Koran. Not just it's laws but every policy it makes. There is NO daylight between the Koran and the day-to-day activities of the "government". ISLAM is as much a political/economic philosophy as capitalism, socialism, communism or any other "ism" in the realm of political governing models. I have not explained it very well but. I have up close and personal experience living under it. I wish some of the president's advisors on the Middle East had had the same experience. Muslims are religious but Islamists are political and are in direct competition for world dominance.
42 posted on 08/11/2002 11:50:29 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: SANDNES
The masses will believe the most ignorant rubbish if they are told it is holy.

And the "intellectuals" will believe "the most ignorant rubbish" if they are told it is "iconoclastic" or "politically correct."

(And the latter's judgement will be harsher for it, as they have had far greater opportunity than "the masses" to know the truth as it is in Jesus.)

43 posted on 08/12/2002 12:16:34 AM PDT by BenR2
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To: Texasforever
I really wish the administration would stop casting this in some type of religious context . ISLAM is less a religion than a system of government. Islamic governments base their entire structure on the Koran. Not just it's laws but every policy it makes. There is NO daylight between the Koran and the day-to-day activities of the "government". ISLAM is as much a political/economic philosophy as capitalism, socialism, communism or any other "ism" in the realm of political governing models. I have not explained it very well but. I have up close and personal experience living under it. I wish some of the president's advisors on the Middle East had had the same experience. Muslims are religious but Islamists are political and are in direct competition for world dominance.

While I can't agree with your statement that ISLAM is less a religion than a system of government. (simply because Muslims' knowing nothing of the separation of mosque and state does not make Islam any less a religion), I nonetheless could not agree more with the rest of your post here.

Muslims are religious but Islamists are political and are in direct competition for world dominance.

Your last statement bears repeating. (... and repeating.) We ignore it at our peril.

44 posted on 08/12/2002 12:23:08 AM PDT by BenR2
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To: Texasforever
Muslims are religious but Islamists are political and are in direct competition for world dominance.

Kudos! Islam in a nutshell.

45 posted on 08/12/2002 7:41:25 AM PDT by 4CJ
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To: SANDNES
Good. Now get lost. You already are, so it shouldn't be hard get even more lost.
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