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Skeletal Remains May Be 11,000 Years Old (Lake Jackson, Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^ | 8-9-2002 | Terry Kliewer

Posted on 08/09/2002 11:17:39 AM PDT by blam

Aug. 9, 2002, 10:45AM

BONING UP ON HISTORY

Skeletal remains may be 11,000 years old

By TERRY KLIEWER
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle

LAKE JACKSON -- The gummy clay of coastal Texas holds plenty of secrets, but it may have given up one of its oldest when routine excavation near here uncovered prehistoric human bones.

John Everett / Chronicle

Archaeologist Robert d'Aigle unearthed bones three years ago in the San Bernard River National Wildlife Refuge in south Brazoria County. He may have found only the third human skeleton in North America that dates back at least 10,000 years.

The bones -- a skull, two vertebrae and part of a jaw with some teeth -- may date back 11,000 years or more, according to preliminary analysis that included radiocarbon dating at the University of Arizona.

A final report on the site and the find were submitted this week to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service by Spring-based archaeologist Robert d'Aigle, who recovered the skeletal remains three years ago in the San Bernard River National Wildlife Refuge in south Brazoria County.

D'Aigle announced his discovery this week.

The bones were turned up during mechanical excavation work on a levee on federal land in the refuge, he said. They were buried about three feet deep in what d'Aigle thinks is a vertical position, leading him to suspect the area was a bog in which the victim became trapped and died.

D'Aigle said experts who examined the remains believe they are from an adolescent female who was about 4 feet tall.

If confirmed, this would be only the third discovery in North America of skeletal remains that are 10,000 or more years old, experts say. As such, "Brazoria Girl" may turn out to be a milestone in documenting the inhabitation of the continent.

The find comes as scientists are rethinking the long-held theory that North and South America were populated by prehistoric tribes that crossed from Asia via a Bering Strait land bridge. Even those who don't question the migration aren't sure about its timing.

D'Aigle, a registered professional archaeologist, said his discovery may force scientists to revise their timetable.

"This will shake up a lot of archaeologists," he predicted.

Anthropologist Michael Collins of the Texas Archaeological Research Lab in Austin called the find "rare and extremely important," but doubted it would be as important as d'Aigle thinks. Other discoveries, mainly of artifacts, have long since established human presence in Texas 100 centuries ago, Collins said.

"There is carbon dating and then there is carbon dating," he added, expressing reservations about the University of Arizona's testing capabilities. He urged more tests on both bones and soil, noting that bones often are contaminated by carbon from surrounding soil.

Most prehistoric discoveries are subjected to multiple tests by several labs, Collins said. Until that is done, "I certainly wouldn't call this a hoax, but its reliability is in question," he said.

But Collins' own nominee for the most highly credentialed carbon dating analyst in the country, geologist Tom Stafford of Boulder, Colo., said he has little doubt that d'Aigle's find is the real deal.

D'Aigle sent an ear bone and a sample of soil from within the skull to the Stafford Research Laboratories for analysis. Stafford said that, while his own radiocarbon testing was inconclusive, other signs, such as the soil in which the bones were found, point to the remains being at least 11,000 years old.

Stafford also said the importance of d'Aigle's find is not necessarily that it is the oldest human skeleton on the continent, but that it is one of so very few.

As such, he termed it "a pretty incredible discovery" on par with two other 10,000- to 11,000-year-old specimens, one from Montana and the other from California.

"Our population of prehistoric skeletons is pretty small."

Besides, he said, the University of Arizona has a "spectacular" lab and is capable of reliable radiocarbon testing. However, he too said more testing by other labs is needed to determine the age of the remains.

As for the discovery's importance, he said, "I'd give a very enthusiastic but qualified 'yes.'

"I think we're in the right ballpark for age. I think it really may be what Bob (d'Aigle) thinks it is."

D'Aigle said his delay in announcing his April 1999 discovery was imposed by his contract obligations to the federal government. The radiocarbon dating and other analysis done on the recovered remains was done largely on a voluntary basis by several labs and at least 10 scientists, he said.

The findings were included in a report submitted this week to the Fish and Wildlife Service. D'Aigle said he was free to talk publicly only after completing the report.

David Siegel, historic preservation officer for the federal agency's southwest region, said the remains may go to the University of Texas for museum preservation and possible exhibition. He cautioned that federal regulations about the handling of Native American remains and artifacts will first have to be considered.

The discovery site has been covered with dirt to preserve it and prevent tampering, Siegel said.

"At this juncture, we have no plans other than to leave the site alone," he said. "It could be years before we do anything further."


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The oldest dated skeleton ever found in the Americas (Brazil) is Luzia, at 10,500 year old.
1 posted on 08/09/2002 11:17:39 AM PDT by blam
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To: *crevo_list
Bump.
2 posted on 08/09/2002 11:21:10 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Junior
". Stafford said that, while his own radiocarbon testing was inconclusive, other signs, such as the soil in which the bones were found, point to the remains being at least 11,000 years old."
I never read anywhere that Helen Thomas drowned...
3 posted on 08/09/2002 11:26:14 AM PDT by Far Right Of Left
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To: blam
If it's a Caucasian skeleton that means the In'juns exterminated us first.
4 posted on 08/09/2002 11:28:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: blam
4ft tall, Reminds me of and old date in highschool,She was so short that every time she farted she blew sand in her shoes !!!(:^)
5 posted on 08/09/2002 11:29:03 AM PDT by Robe
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To: Far Right Of Left
They better hurry up with their examination. Local Indians will claim the bones for re-burial.
6 posted on 08/09/2002 11:29:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: blam
Skeletal remains are notorious for not remaining long. For example, yesterday next to the dog's house there was a fresh skeleton, whether bird or squirrel was hard to tell, the skeleton being incomplete. Today when the dog was let back outside [dog comes in at night], the skeleton was gone. Didn't last 10,000 years. Didn't last 12 hours.

In the article, if the human skeleton's prior owner expired in the open, it would be remarkable that anything remained. If the skeleton were buried, either by a natural process or by acquaintances, then the odds would have been less remarkable but still not assured.

7 posted on 08/09/2002 11:30:53 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They better hurry up with their examination. Local Indians will claim the bones for re-burial.

You got that right. Hey Eric: Do you hail from the Missouri Ozarks? If so, following any of the dig news from Big Eddy in Cedar County?

8 posted on 08/09/2002 11:32:55 AM PDT by rond
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To: blam
He cautioned that federal regulations about the handling of Native American remains and artifacts will first have to be considered.

Isn't there some sort of statute of limitations for archaeology? Let's have a little common sense: these remains are over ten thousand years old, not a few hundred (at which point it would be reasonable to discuss the matter with any existing relevant tribes).

9 posted on 08/09/2002 11:33:00 AM PDT by Tancred
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Dog Gone
"If it's a Caucasian skeleton that means the In'juns exterminated us first."

There are no American Indian/Native American skeletons ever found in North america that are older than 6,000 years old. All the older human skeletons (North America) have been the Ainu/Joman (Kennewick/Spirit Cave man and Buhl Woman) variety.

Dog Gone, do you know how to 'ping' the Texas folks to this thread? (If so, please do)

10 posted on 08/09/2002 11:36:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: Far Right Of Left
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
11 posted on 08/09/2002 11:37:55 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it's a Caucasian skeleton that means the In'juns exterminated us first.

I want reparations.

12 posted on 08/09/2002 11:40:16 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: blam

Luzia, died in Brazil 10,500 years ago at the age of 24.

13 posted on 08/09/2002 11:41:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Oldest Mummy In North America (Spirit Cave Man)
14 posted on 08/09/2002 11:44:56 AM PDT by blam
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it's a Caucasian skeleton that means the In'juns exterminated us first.

What you mean "us," white eye? ;)

15 posted on 08/09/2002 11:47:22 AM PDT by strela
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To: blam

Spirit Cave Man, died in Nevada 9,400 years ago at the age of 45.

16 posted on 08/09/2002 11:47:51 AM PDT by blam
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To: rond
There have been several stories on the Big Eddy dig. So far, just pottery shards and arrowheads. The Electric Coop's monthly paper had a piece a month or so ago. I don't think they were Norwegians.
17 posted on 08/09/2002 11:49:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: blam

Kennewick Man, died in Washington state, 9,300 years ago in his early 40's.

18 posted on 08/09/2002 11:50:38 AM PDT by blam
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To: rond; Eric in the Ozarks
Unearthing The Mysteries Of Man (The Big Eddy site offers archaeologists a glimpse at 10,000 years of prehistoric man)
19 posted on 08/09/2002 12:02:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; rond
The Big Eddy Dig (14,000 years old?)
20 posted on 08/09/2002 12:05:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yes, and Kennewick Man was apparently a Caucasian. Bad news for the multicultural nazis on the Left, it seems.

He didn't last long and was erased from American history (that is, he was given a proper Indian burial).

21 posted on 08/09/2002 12:06:03 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Reactionary
"He didn't last long and was erased from American history (that is, he was given a proper Indian burial)."

Nope. He is not buried yet, still in the courts. (The site where he was found was completely destroyed by the Corps Of Engineers on orders from 'higher ups' in the Clinton Administration.)

22 posted on 08/09/2002 12:09:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I thought that they had decided to hand him over to an Indian tribe. My error.
23 posted on 08/09/2002 12:11:57 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Reactionary
"I thought that they had decided to hand him over to an Indian tribe. My error."

When the Smithsonian Institute joined the fray on the side of the scientists who want further testing, the tone/politics changed dramatically.

24 posted on 08/09/2002 12:18:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: Far Right Of Left
LOL!

By the way, does anyone doubt that the tree huggers and other urban sprawl riff raff will be out in force to claim that there should be no construction within a thousand square miles of the dig.
25 posted on 08/09/2002 12:22:29 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: blam
Captain Picard!!
26 posted on 08/09/2002 12:26:17 PM PDT by WHATNEXT?
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To: blam
This is a 3 year old discovery and we get to hear about it now, thanks to the federal bureaucracy. I wonder when we'll get to see a clay re-creation of the Lake Jackson girl?
27 posted on 08/09/2002 12:35:54 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: austingirl
"This is a 3 year old discovery and we get to hear about it now, thanks to the federal bureaucracy. I wonder when we'll get to see a clay re-creation of the Lake Jackson girl?"

Girl?

28 posted on 08/09/2002 2:22:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
D'Aigle said experts who examined the remains believe they are from an adolescent female who was about 4 feet tall

Girl.

29 posted on 08/09/2002 3:16:12 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: blam
Thanks for another informative article.
30 posted on 08/09/2002 3:20:20 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: petuniasevan
"D'Aigle said experts who examined the remains believe they are from an adolescent female who was about 4 feet tall"

Thanks. LOL. How could I have missed that. (could I blame this on old age?)

31 posted on 08/09/2002 3:20:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: JudyB1938; ruoflaw; #3Fan; d4now
FYI.
32 posted on 08/09/2002 3:22:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; MeeknMing; Dog Gone
MeeknMing can prolly give you a Texas Freeper ping.....
33 posted on 08/09/2002 3:30:40 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport; blam; Squantos; GeronL; Billie; Slyfox; San Jacinto; SpookBrat; FITZ; COB1; DainBramage; ...
Skeletal Remains May Be 11,000 Years Old
(Lake Jackson, Texas)

Excerpt:

D'Aigle sent an ear bone and a sample of soil from within the skull to the Stafford Research Laboratories for analysis. Stafford said that, while his own radiocarbon testing was inconclusive, other signs, such as the soil in which the bones were found, point to the remains being at least 11,000 years old.

Stafford also said the importance of d'Aigle's find is not necessarily that it is the oldest human skeleton on the continent, but that it is one of so very few.

As such, he termed it "a pretty incredible discovery" on par with two other 10,000- to 11,000-year-old specimens, one from Montana and the other from California.

"Our population of prehistoric skeletons is pretty small."

Besides, he said, the University of Arizona has a "spectacular" lab and is capable of reliable radiocarbon testing. However, he too said more testing by other labs is needed to determine the age of the remains.

As for the discovery's importance, he said, "I'd give a very enthusiastic but qualified 'yes.'

"I think we're in the right ballpark for age. I think it really may be what Bob (d'Aigle) thinks it is."


If there are any Anthropology/Scientific/Technical types that have expertise here please comment? Thanks....

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Texas ping list!. . .don't be shy.
No, you don't HAVE to be a Texan to get on this list!


34 posted on 08/09/2002 5:08:12 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing; crystalk
"Our population of prehistoric skeletons is pretty small."

Yes. I have named most of the 8,000+ year old on this thread already. There is one skeleton found on an island off the coast of California that (I've read) is expected to exceed the 10,500 year old Luzia date. That was before this announcement. There are a number of human sites (artifacts) that are pushing the 20,000 year old date. (This excludes the controversial 200,000 year old Calico site in California)

35 posted on 08/09/2002 5:30:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the ping. Don't the Mormons believe that there was a caucasian tribe in America a long time ago?
36 posted on 08/09/2002 5:31:30 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: MeeknMing
Calico: A 200,000-Year-Old Site In The Americas?
37 posted on 08/09/2002 5:35:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The scary thing is that the skeleton is still a registered, voting Democrat.
38 posted on 08/09/2002 5:35:56 PM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: advocate10; BossyRoofer; brigette; byu-fan; CaliforniaOkie; crystalk; CubicleGuy; Dan(9698); ...
The find comes as scientists are rethinking the long-held theory that North and South America were populated by prehistoric tribes that crossed from Asia via a Bering Strait land bridge. Even those who don't question the migration aren't sure about its timing.

***JAREDITE PING!!!!***


39 posted on 08/09/2002 5:38:24 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: BJClinton
"Don't the Mormons believe that there was a caucasian tribe in America a long time ago?"

Yes. A lot of people do.

Was America A Phoenician Colony?

40 posted on 08/09/2002 5:38:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: BJClinton
See Post No. 39.
41 posted on 08/09/2002 5:43:41 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It would be interesting to know if the Kennewick Man is related to the europeans.
42 posted on 08/09/2002 5:47:56 PM PDT by bok
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To: blam
Looks like Jean-luc Picard.
43 posted on 08/09/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: MeeknMing
A Tradition Of Giants
44 posted on 08/09/2002 5:55:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I have a bachelors degree in anthro...I find it fascinating that there was substantial skeletal material at all of remains that old in the Lake Jackson area. The Gulf Coast is not known for its preservation qualities, and to find any evidence of the former Karankawa occupation is a treasure indeed. How neat that older remains were found!!

If you have an anthro/archaeo ping list, please put me on it.
45 posted on 08/09/2002 6:00:13 PM PDT by Alkhin
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To: Alkhin
"I find it fascinating that there was substantial skeletal material at all of remains that old in the Lake Jackson area. The Gulf Coast is not known for its preservation qualities, and to find any evidence of the former Karankawa occupation is a treasure indeed. How neat that older remains were found!!"

I agree. I lived in the area for 20 years. If I remember correctly there is a high pH (a lot of limestone areas drain from the North into the region), unlike where I'm presently living which has a pH of around 4.

46 posted on 08/09/2002 6:14:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"Brazoria Girl" ="Redneck Girl"

Redneck Girl is without a doubt the original indiginous human species in Texas.

With facial reconstuction...


47 posted on 08/09/2002 6:20:18 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Alkhin
Karankawa Indians

The Karankawa were seven feet tall? (That's what it says at the above link.)

48 posted on 08/09/2002 6:21:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: Illbay
So I do a search for "Jaredite" on Google and I get a thousand hits. Is there a short version of their history?
49 posted on 08/09/2002 6:29:52 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: blam
Yes, they were known to be VERY tall. They used bear grease to fend off the mosquitos, and gained an unfounded reputation for being cannibals. The only report of that was from Cabeza de Vaca and Coronado who encountered them, but cannibalism is one of those things that can be very controversial.
50 posted on 08/09/2002 6:30:30 PM PDT by Alkhin
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