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Sex in the City of God - A couple make the case for contraception-free marriage.
NRO ^ | August 9, 2002 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 08/09/2002 11:40:46 AM PDT by gubamyster

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1 posted on 08/09/2002 11:40:46 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Chess; Gophack
From a different thread yesterday, I gather this may be of interest to you.
2 posted on 08/09/2002 11:44:23 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Couple to Couple League Bump!!
3 posted on 08/09/2002 12:01:18 PM PDT by goodform
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To: gubamyster
Great article ... thanks.

I hope Christians from all denominations, both Catholic and Protestant, sincerely look at their lives and question their dependence on contraception as their "savior". Because that is what artificial contraception has become to far too many people, and it is damaging them both physically, and emotionally.

4 posted on 08/09/2002 12:41:47 PM PDT by Gophack
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To: gubamyster
It was an interesting article, and I have nothing whatsoever against this couple, but I do have an observation. If they take God's word literally to "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it," then Natural Family Planning is just as wrong as any other form of contraception. I have wondered about this issue for some time. To me, if someone uses science to plan when to have sex in order not to conceive--because they take a religious viewpoint that contraception is against God's word--then they cannot argue that having sex with the intention of not multiplying is obeying God's word.
5 posted on 08/09/2002 1:40:19 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To me, if someone uses science to plan when to have sex in order not to conceive--because they take a religious viewpoint that contraception is against God's word--then they cannot argue that having sex with the intention of not multiplying is obeying God's word

Well thought out, logical and to the point. Man, are you in for it.

6 posted on 08/09/2002 1:47:06 PM PDT by Cable225
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To: Romulus
The Torodes write that "Respect for the one-flesh mystery of marriage gives us serious qualms about the use of contraception. To invoke St. Paul's analogy, would Christ ever withhold any part of himself from the Church, or sterilize his love?" As they understand it, "anything less than a true one-flesh union fails to represent the completely self-giving love of Christ for the Church. This is why we believe that when a husband and wife have serious reasons to avoid pregnancy, it's better to abstain for a time than to diminish the meaning and mystery of sex."
F.Y.I.
7 posted on 08/09/2002 1:50:33 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: drjimmy
To me, if someone uses science to plan when to have sex in order not to conceive--because they take a religious viewpoint that contraception is against God's word--then they cannot argue that having sex with the intention of not multiplying is obeying God's word.

I think you forgot a "not" in there somewhere, because the sentence makes no sense as written.

8 posted on 08/09/2002 1:51:35 PM PDT by Campion
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To: gubamyster
We have been married for over 5 years and have never once used a (yecch) condom. Unless the guy has a bum prostate he should be able to control the action.
9 posted on 08/09/2002 1:55:41 PM PDT by montag813
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To: eastsider; Askel5
Yep; it's all connected. The Torodes are on a voyage of discovery; wish them well.
10 posted on 08/09/2002 1:57:24 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: gubamyster; Texaggie79; BrooklynGOP; LindaSOG
Makes a good case for anal sex . . .
11 posted on 08/09/2002 2:07:01 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: drjimmy; Cable225
then they cannot argue that having sex with the intention of not multiplying is obeying God's word.

But this is not done. Granted, the couple may strive to avoid having sex during fertile periods but -- if their conjugal relations are free of contraceptive implements or abortifacient chemicals -- there is always the potential for life which will be welcomed by the couple who recognize conception as a matter of God's will making their co-creative ability fruitful.

Best laid plans and all.

As a rule, nature is very good about spacing pregnancies ... where breastfeeding and other natural aspects of birth and childrearing are practiced. I see nothing wrong with abstinence as a further help to allowing parents to give each child his full measure of attention upon birth.

12 posted on 08/09/2002 2:15:31 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Granted, the couple may strive to avoid having sex during fertile periods but -- if their conjugal relations are free of contraceptive implements or abortifacient chemicals -- there is always the potential for life which will be welcomed by the couple who recognize conception as a matter of God's will making their co-creative ability fruitful.

Then it's the fact that conception might still potentially occur that renders NFP acceptable? The fact that the possibility of conception still exists?

13 posted on 08/09/2002 2:19:45 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
I know where you're going with this. Should be fun to watch, gotta get some popcorn.
14 posted on 08/09/2002 2:23:37 PM PDT by discostu
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To: Askel5
there is always the potential for life

There's also the potential for life if the condom fails. Is there some difference between the failure of birth control and failure of NPF?

No flame intended, just curious.

15 posted on 08/09/2002 2:23:58 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: realpatriot71; gubamyster; Texaggie79; BrooklynGOP; LindaSOG
Makes a good case for anal sex . . .

Anal sex -- aside from its obvious implications for the normalizing of homosexuality among heteros as pushed by pornographers -- has nothing whatsoever to do with human sexuality.

The disordered desire for anal penetration by the penis is neither procreative nor unitive (in the sense that man is made for woman and vice versa as evidenced by the sexual organs).

In fact, it has little, if anything to do with sex and far more to do with domination and violence.

It is not surprising in the least that pornographers today find a ready audience for anal sex among men who are emasculated in public by women and wish domination in private (or who view women in some Henry Miller Sadean fashion whereby they're nothing but a collection of orifices for semen affording varying degrees of physical gratification).

Besides, with the homosexual as "Ideal Citizen", it's to the State's benefit as well to condition heteros not only to homosexual practices of "sex" but also homosexual rights to "procreate" via the artificial reproduction practices which provide President Bush the "excess" human lives on which his hopeful research hinges.

I realize you probably meant this in jest but it's important you realize how critical is our ability to think clearly on this issue rather than serve as useful idiots to help propel the Agenda.

16 posted on 08/09/2002 2:24:07 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: drjimmy
because they take a religious viewpoint that contraception is against God's word

Exactly whether rythmn or pill or foam or scapel the end aim is the same sex without conception

Makes me LOL when the rythmn posters come here and admonish the sinners
18 posted on 08/09/2002 2:28:47 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: freeeee
There's also the potential for life if the condom fails. Is there some difference between the failure of birth control and failure of NPF?

Absolutely. Abstinence.

Abstinence by its very nature is an act of Self-Governance that is critical to the human psyche and evidences absolutely the uniquely human ability to foresee consequences and govern one's passions.

Naturally, in addition to the real "benefits" they presume to achieve through population control, the most critical win for the state where birth control and licentiousness are concerned is the unleashing of Passions by which folks can be rendered absolutely predicatable ... masses operating on the lowest common denominator that is animal urges.

There is a method to the madness, then, of a State that upholds "faked" cyber child sex as "Free Speech" on the one hand yet excuses all sorts of invasions of privacy and ursupations of civil liberties on the other on the basis that some individuals can't properly "manage" their addictions to child porn and act on same.

Bottom line: the use of contraceptives treats the human being as a Thing and conditions a person to manipulation. It disrupts the natural order whereby man has dominion over creation and all creatures by applying that dominion to himself in lieu of the Restraint which is the better part of his Natural Liberty.

19 posted on 08/09/2002 2:29:52 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: freeeee
"Is there some difference between the failure of birth control and failure of NPF?"

Yes. "The pill" is 98%, or somewhere around there effective. All other chemical/latex products less effective.

NFP, Billings, whatever you want to call it, but not completely based on rhythm (there's more to it than that) is 99.7% effective.

20 posted on 08/09/2002 2:32:19 PM PDT by Desdemona
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