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Reparations for what? OR: There’s still a war going on whether we fight or not.
African-American News and Issues ^ | By Bud Johnson

Posted on 08/10/2002 2:56:16 AM PDT by chasio649

Reparations for what? OR: There’s still a war going on whether we fight or not.

By Bud Johnson The "Old African Warrior"

Woebeit reparations have become a popular raison d’être for made in America Africans to rant and rave about, as far as I’m concerned, a war is still going on whether we fight back or not. What I’m saying is, when it comes to reparations, we should adhere to the wisdom of Kenny Rogers, who advises The Gambler, “Don’t count your money until the game is done.”

In essence, in my own Outer Limits way I’ll be at war with this racist nation until somebody apologizes for making me pee on myself because I couldn’t use those White only toilets in 1940s’ downtown Houston. Reparations notwithstanding, my ancestors arrived on these shores (chained in the belly of slaveships) too. Even so, unless those talking reparations know something I don’t, we’re still fighting the same war that African warriors declared when they got off the boat in the land of the free. So you brothers and sisters who surrendered might as well put those white handkerchief’s back on your nappy heads, because America’s centurions are still kicking our butts in the ‘hood, ergo, a war is still going on.

Hey, I’m sick and tired, of being sick and tired of fighting against impossible odds too, but until there’s justice, there just can’t be no peace. I would love for America to sit down and put a pencil on the centuries of inhumanity that was perpetrated upon my people. I’m as anxious to see how much America valued our ancestors’ services as any other made in America African buck. I’m particular curious to see the price that’s placed on services rendered by our beautiful, hot bodied sisters who warmed old massa’s bed on cold nights. Oops, there go that Twilight Zone theme again. Square business, I’m not poking fun at the reparation efforts. Truth is, I’m sponsoring a youngster’s seat on the bus, when a contingent coordinated by NBUF make the historic National Rally for Reparations trek to Washington, D.C., on August 17, 2002. So perish the thought that I’m not down with my brothers and sisters or that I don’t have their backs. Then again, we’re surely not a monolithic people, because this old African warrior thinks more like Masai than Randall Robinson. Masai? Oh, either you ain’t a Burt Lancaster fan, or you failed to see his 1954 movie “Apache.” In the movie, Burt played the Indian warrior Masai, who escaped from the train carrying the renegade Apaches to a reservation in Florida and declared a one-man war on the United States.

Masai wasn’t down with the treaty that also included reparations, because he knew “the White eyes” spoke with forked tongues. Constitutional rights, Proclamation of Emancipation, Reconstruction, Affirmative Action or Civil Rights Act aside, there is a preponderance of evidence that old Masai was a lot sharper than made in America African’s intelligentsia who go for 2002 America’s okey doke today. Dare I suggest that White folks are telling us, “Okay we owe you reparations, but we ain’t gonna give you nada.” So the question is, if reparations aren’t forthcoming, just what in the hell are we going to do about it? May I reiterate, as far as I’m concerned there’s a war still going on.

Hey, I know one mosquito can’t defeat a herd of elephants, but it can sure pester the hell out of them and even draw a little blood if it picks its spots. On the real side, the unconquerable African warriors have been pestering and drawing a little blood from America since they got off the boat and will continue to do so until justice and equality translates to peace. Conversely, as long as this racist, double standard nation continues to discriminate and justify their centurions who slaughter our young warriors in the ‘hood without recourse, there’s a war going on. And I don’t think we can even discuss reparations while a war is going on. Especially when brothers and sisters in the ‘hood are burying their children, who are causalities of that ongoing war, as we speak. Need we even mention the prisons that are bulging with prisoners of war???

Lest we forget, White folks are still licking their wounds from their Civil War, so don’t count out a major racial uprising. Then again, since 9/11, I’m not about to say anything that could be considered a terrorist threat, so I won’t mention that a Black on White Civil War would be far more devastating than the Union vs. Confederate genocide. Hey, I don’t want to even think about an all out racial war. Conversely, whether America admits it or not, if they’re the nation’s heart, Black folks damn sure is its soul. Truthfully, how can Black America be separated from White America and survive? Hark! Don’t you dare try to answer that question if you haven’t read Kahlil Gibran’s “Prophet.” To wit: “And this also, though the words lie heavy upon your hearts: The murdered is not unaccountable for his own murder, And the robbed is not blameless in being robbed. The righteous is not innocent of the deeds of the wicked, And the white-handed is not clean in the doings of the felon. “Yea, the guilty is oftentimes the victim of the injured, And still more often the condemned is the burden bearer for the guiltless and unblamed. You cannot separate the just from the unjust and the good from the wicked; For they stand together before the face of the sun even as the black thread and the white are woven together.”

If profundity confounds you, allow me to break it down in Ebonics. Until White folks realize that America’s greatness is the result of Black folks’ blood, sweat and innovated ideas, there will be no justice and no peace. Furthermore, stupid bigots should realize by now that discriminating against Black folks is tantamount to a NFL team trying to win the Super Bowl with their best players sitting on the bench. Alas, until foolish racists grasp the concept of spiritual warfare and political naïve Black folks grasp the concept of reparations, there will always be a war going on. I wonder if anybody knows where I’m coming from?


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1 posted on 08/10/2002 2:56:16 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649
"White Folks"


One of the most condescending phrases if i ever heard it and this is used all the time by the race hustlers.


Why are the black colleges not desegregated more than they are Bud Johnson? Since it's getting closer to football season here is something i find interesting and no "black leaders" have a problem with it. They would sue if it were whites. http://www.circlecityclassic.com/index.htm

2 posted on 08/10/2002 3:46:58 AM PDT by bok
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To: chasio649
Either Mr. Johnson is seriously delusional, or he is trying to create the very sort of racial divide he claims already exists. Perhaps both. In any case, it's entirely contemptible, and entirely dismissible.

If I'm reading the latest demographic studies correctly, mainstream blacks are distancing themselves economically and attitudinally from this sort of hate-filled race-hustling. Any decent man would be repelled by the sentiments in this article. The overwhelming majority of American blacks are quite decent -- and have acquired a hefty stake in the continuing success of this country.

Black on white civil war? Where does this man get his crack? American blacks have too big a piece of the pie to have any truck with such nonsense. Maybe one American black in a thousand is insane enough to put his life on the line for such a thing. If there were ever a race-based uprising in the United States, the best the ringleaders could hope for would be to flee the country before they were captured and tried for treason.

The American civil rights movement for blacks triumphed only because it had huge popular and political support among whites. Perhaps we should remind militants such as Bud Johnson that it is white benevolence, and white respect for the rights of blacks, to which he owes his capacity to rant as he does.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

3 posted on 08/10/2002 5:01:31 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: chasio649
The racist rantings of a drooling idiot who is, more than likely, a high-school dropout and couldn't find Africa on a globe if you pointed it out to him.

Those touting "reparations" should realize that:

A) It'll never happen,

B) Americans aren't stupid; they know that even with reparations, a racist is a racist and black America wouldn't change a whit, and

C) The more tomato-brains like this try to act as spokesmen for their side, the more damage they do to their own "cause" and the stupider they look.

4 posted on 08/10/2002 5:12:58 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: chasio649
If profundity confounds you, allow me to break it down in Ebonics. Until White folks realize that America’s greatness is the result of Black folks’ blood, sweat and innovated ideas..........

LOL...nothing more to say.

5 posted on 08/10/2002 5:19:41 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: chasio649
In essence, in my own Outer Limits way I’ll be at war with this racist nation until somebody apologizes for making me pee on myself because I couldn’t use those White only toilets in 1940s’ downtown Houston.

Like white skin has anything to do with this unjustice.

These people worship the wrong tree and they certainly are not going to convert me by force. They can go to HELL


7 posted on 08/10/2002 5:24:11 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: chasio649
Best thing ever happened to American blacks was their ancestors being brought over here. Probably best thing happened to their ancestors also
8 posted on 08/10/2002 5:26:35 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: chasio649
I'd like to get reparations from the liberals. Can you imagine where we'd be today if we had a tiny government for the last 60 years?
9 posted on 08/10/2002 5:30:37 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: chasio649
unconquerable African warriors

Lemme see now, they were captured, put in chains, thrown in the holds of slave ships, transported, sold again, put to work in various places. Unconquerable, hardly.

10 posted on 08/10/2002 5:37:05 AM PDT by Flint
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To: chasio649
Sure let's 'reparate' everybody...starting with my Irish ancestors who were discriminated against by the murderous 16th century English and the snobbish Boston Brahmins.

And everyone who suffered from Hitler's maniacism.

And the Armenians for the Turks' brutality.

How 'bout all the early American Indian tribes who raped, pillaged, burned and tortured their neighbors.

Maybe we can get some money from relatives of Attila the Hun or Genghis Kahn, et al.

Maybe a better place to start looking for reparations for slavery would be from the Africans who started the modern era of subjugation in the first place.

Man...I am so fed up with "survivors" of all breeds.

11 posted on 08/10/2002 5:42:55 AM PDT by JimVT
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To: chasio649
I posted this once before, but this slobberingly witless article demands it be posted again:

"Think about it: We went into slavery pagans; we came out Christians. We went into slavery pieces of property; we came ot American Citizens. We went into slavery with chains clanking about our wrists; we came out with American ballots in our hands. ... When we rid ourselves of prejudice, or racial feeling, and look the facts in the face, we must acknowledge, notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, we are in a stronger and more hopeful position, materially, intellectually, morally, and religiously, than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe." Booker T. Washington, Up from Slavery

Think "The Old African Warrior" shares more in common with Charlie Manson and his Helter-Skelter ideas than he does with Mr. Washington.

12 posted on 08/10/2002 5:43:26 AM PDT by dorothy
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To: Flint
Lemme see now, they were captured, put in chains, thrown in the holds of slave ships, transported, sold again, put to work in various places. Unconquerable, hardly.

You neglected to add that they were captured by *other* black warriors who were enriching themselves through the slave trade.

These blacks should demand reparations from the descendants of the black slave traders.

13 posted on 08/10/2002 5:53:44 AM PDT by Ravaged Nation
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To: chasio649
My "White Folks" opinion on this matter:

1. Not ONE single black person who was a slave is alive today. All are dead.
2. Not ONE single white person who owned a black slave is alive today. All are dead.
3. Racism certainly did and does exist. It should be challeneged and defeated whenever it raises itself, but let's acknowledge the truth; ANYONE can be a racist, that is, unjustly discriminate against another not based on that person's beliefs, attitudes and values, but because of the color of their skin. If you don't know me, don't make assumptions based on my skin color. Two wrongs never make a right.
4. All the Americans who lived and died before us contributed to the success of our nation. If you can argue that black slaves built much of the nation, at least in the South, you could also argue that the effects of black slavery on this nation led to the Civil and post-Civil War destruction of much of the wealth of the South that took generations to recover.
5. There are poor whites in America, too! In fact, the number of poor whites (33 million) actually exceeds the total number of Blacks in this country. That's not just poor blacks we're talking about, but includes Bill Cosby, Micheal Jordan, Vernon Jordan, and a host of other successful and well-respected blacks in this country. Are we seriously going to give them reparations for slavery from the meager wealth of poor whites? No justice, no peace, indeed!
6. Based on 5 above, how do we account for poor white people? In a land that the "Reparations Hustlers" have created, golden apples of success and wealth fall into the hands of white people because they're white. So how can we possibly have poor white people? Because the idea that this nation favors whites over blacks is NOT true. Hard work, presevearance, and a little luck is what accounts for success. If this were not so, all whites would have wealth and no blacks would have any.
7. Slavery, and then Jim Crow was used to keep poor whites down. A Birmingham iron worker who threatened to strike for better working conditions and pay in the 1930's was threatened with replacement by black workers who would work much cheaper. Threats like this were used for decades to continue to keep organized labor out of the South, and to keep poor whites poor.

14 posted on 08/10/2002 6:46:32 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: chasio649
… until somebody apologizes for making me pee on myself because I couldn’t use those White only toilets in 1940s’ downtown Houston.

Do you also think someone needs to apologize for making me pee on myself because I couldn’t use those Black only toilets in 1940s’ downtown Houston? … Didn’t think so.

15 posted on 08/10/2002 6:49:57 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: dorothy
When they come to the conclusion that illegals are gaining stance on them, they may fall in line with us anti immigrationists.
16 posted on 08/10/2002 8:37:10 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: chasio649
Well I made it to the 3rd paragraph before nausea forced me to stop reading.
17 posted on 08/10/2002 8:57:50 AM PDT by gilor
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To: mhking
ping!
18 posted on 08/10/2002 8:58:45 AM PDT by gilor
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To: Ravaged Nation
You neglected to add that they were captured by *other* black warriors ....

You forgot the mooselimbs were big in the slave trade also.

19 posted on 08/10/2002 9:09:58 AM PDT by gilor
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To: chasio649
Yeah well, void his citizenship and put a ticket to Africa in the hand of this "Old African Warrior" and see how fast he identifies himeself as "American".
20 posted on 08/10/2002 9:13:03 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

21 posted on 08/10/2002 9:22:27 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Flint
unconquerable African warriors
They were sold into slavery by their own people. It's historical fact. And an African movie director made a movie based on these facts.
22 posted on 08/10/2002 9:44:07 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: gilor
You forgot the mooselimbs were big in the slave trade also.

You have something there! Let's simply direct these reparation shills to set their sites on the Muslim descendants who profited in the slave trade.

23 posted on 08/10/2002 9:44:21 AM PDT by Ravaged Nation
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To: chasio649
Zimbabwe needs farmers, we'll pay your way.
24 posted on 08/10/2002 9:52:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: mhking
Does this clown really think he can stick his hand in other's pockets for slavery which was outlawed in the US 139 years ago? Does the idiot realize that there were mass imigrations of Irish, Scandinavian, and Germans to America in the 1800s who had nothing to do with slavery? And don't even think about asking the Asian and Hispanic Americans to cough up money. The world has gone on, and trying to play a guilt trip on innocent people and demand their money is the quickest way to get a race war started by black hucksters trying hustle some bucks. And nobody will support them, except the usual white liberal crowd until it gets to their own door steps.

Feh! I never owned a slave and damn well won't pay for something that was outlawed 139 years ago and is still practiced in parts of Africa to this day. Why doesn't this idiot worry about freeing black slaves in today's Africa? Oh, no money in that, and this is all about attempted theft from Americans.

25 posted on 08/10/2002 9:58:11 AM PDT by xJones
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To: chasio649
Reparations, whether 10 trillion or 100 trillion, will not satisfy the blacks. Even if whites submitted to slavery, it would not be enough for blacks. For whatever reason blacks feel inferior to whites, nothing will ever be good enough for them unless whites just disappear.

I would support reparations to blacks on the condition that they all leave this country and never return. They call themselves African-Americans, perhaps now is the time they return to ther homeland.

26 posted on 08/10/2002 10:13:14 AM PDT by gunshy
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To: gunshy
A thought: How do you think comments like yours make black conservatives here feel (whether they be active memebers or lurkers)?
27 posted on 08/10/2002 10:22:41 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: gunshy
For whatever reason blacks feel inferior to whites, nothing will ever be good enough for them unless whites just disappear.

You may be on to something there. Instead of looking at historical factors, as previous posters have done, it might be better to look at the psychological angle. The question then is why, deep down, do (some, not all) black people feel that they are inferior? Do some people need another group to kick around and blame for all their troubles ("white devils" or the Jews/Israelis in the case of the Arabs)?

Ever since reading Huntington on the Clash of Civilizations, I'm disappointed to find many blacks prefer to construct an Afro-centric identity rather than an American one, that they would prefer to be like Kweisi Mfume rather than Booker T. Washington (or America's heart-throb, Walter E. Williams!). But I can't help you guys on psychology; I only know a little about economics.

28 posted on 08/10/2002 10:36:12 AM PDT by Tancred
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To: Clara Lou
Clara, I have noticed an increase in Black American conservatives coming in. This is the best of signs. We can have honest dialogue and see everybody's point of view. I think it's great!
29 posted on 08/10/2002 10:37:21 AM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones
I would support reparations to blacks on the condition that they all leave this country and never return.
It just seems to me that comments like this are not going to make conservative blacks feel very welcome here.
30 posted on 08/10/2002 10:43:20 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
Yes, that comment was totally uncalled for. We need Black Americans. There is such a large pool of talent there, and unfortunately, so much gets wasted. But where would we be without people like this: scientists?
31 posted on 08/10/2002 10:48:51 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Clara Lou
My intent was not to offend, but to seek a final solution to the black/white problem. Somewhere, sometime, someway we must find a solution or I fear we will experience a race war that will kill millions of people on both sides, and still no solution will follow.
32 posted on 08/10/2002 11:07:36 AM PDT by gunshy
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To: gunshy
My intent was not to offend, but to seek a final solution to the black/white problem.

You really shouldn't use the phrase, "final solution". That has such very bad connotations in European history. Well, we're stepping all over PC eggshells here.

33 posted on 08/10/2002 11:23:01 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Ravaged Nation
Let's simply direct these reparation shills to set their sites on the Muslim descendants who profited in the slave trade.

Hmmmmm!

Crude oil for reparations....works for me.
But then again, "Give a mouse a cookie and........"

34 posted on 08/10/2002 11:28:29 AM PDT by gilor
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To: chasio649
Furthermore, stupid bigots should realize by now that discriminating against Black folks is tantamount to a NFL team trying to win the Super Bowl with their best players sitting on the bench. Alas, until foolish racists grasp the concept of spiritual warfare and political naïve Black folks grasp the concept of reparations, there will always be a war going on. I wonder if anybody knows where I’m coming from?

I think I know where you're coming from: you're a stupid black bigot.

35 posted on 08/10/2002 11:29:25 AM PDT by What Is Ain't
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To: chasio649
I'm hoping against hope that this is not an example of intellectual discourse within the black community.

I mean, I can only look at Condi Rice and be reassured so many times. Then this ass-clown has to pop his head out of the gopher hole with this unintelligable screed.

By the way, why didn't you improvise, go around to the back of the building, and pee on the wall when you were a kid, dummy? Hell, I'm white and even I'm smart enough to do that.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

36 posted on 08/10/2002 12:27:14 PM PDT by section9
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To: section9
I posted this so conservatives can see what they are up against. This is normal discourse within the balck community. Go to any mainstream net site aimed at blacks and you will see much more of this ranting and hate spewing rhetoric. Black conservatives have a mighty big hill to climb.
37 posted on 08/10/2002 4:52:03 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649
My friend, if you are a black conservative, I simply have to sit here and salute you for your courage.

Y'all must have the patience of Job.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

38 posted on 08/10/2002 5:07:35 PM PDT by section9
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To: chasio649
When will blacks learn that whining and complaining only alienates whites. It gets so old listening to them cry about "justice". Whites would like them a lot more if they could just get on with their lives and quit blaming all their problems on racism. I know they don't care if whites like them but they would get more of what they want if they could quit playing the victim.
39 posted on 08/10/2002 5:18:20 PM PDT by mrfixit514
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To: chasio649; stainlessbanner
Furthermore, stupid bigots should realize by now that discriminating against Black folks is tantamount to a NFL team trying to win the Super Bowl with their best players sitting on the bench

But isn't it bigoted to assume that the best players on the team are black? But what happens if they decide to pay reparations and have to prove their heritage for money? One can only imagine the consternation on the faces of a percentage of the blacks whose ancestors weren't slaves at the time of the Civil War or even worse that some of the larger slaveowners in the South were black themselves

40 posted on 08/10/2002 6:31:03 PM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
have to prove their heritage for money

There will be a black market industry of con-men creating false historical and geneaology records. I know many folks are already cheating on their IRS taxes in regards to reparations.

Worst case scenario is a black man traces his ancestor's back to a black slaveowner. Admittedly, it is a remote possibility, but oh the irony!

41 posted on 08/10/2002 8:24:14 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: chasio649
"Until White folks realize that America’s greatness is the result of Black folks’ blood, sweat and innovated ideas"

Well, I am certainly surprised to learn that Thomas Edison, Nikola Telsa, Albert Einstein, Crick & Watson, Gregor Mendel, Robert Goddard, Kurt Godel, Patton, the Wright brothers, Westinghouse, Frank Lloyd Wright, George Washington, Henry Ford, Ben Franklin, Isaac Newton, Philo T. Farnsworth, and Thomas Jefferson were black!

Lessee...peanut butter. Um, I think the traffic light. That be about it, bro.

--Boris

42 posted on 08/10/2002 9:14:32 PM PDT by boris
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To: section9
I mean, I can only look at Condi Rice and be reassured so many times. Then this ass-clown has to pop his head out of the gopher hole with this unintelligable screed.

By the way, why didn't you improvise, go around to the back of the building, and pee on the wall when you were a kid, dummy? Hell, I'm white and even I'm smart enough to do that.

Be Seeing You, Chris

Damn, brother, ya read my thoughts! Dittos from a fellow "Fightin' Whitie" in California. (insider joke for Limbaugh listeners)

43 posted on 08/11/2002 1:03:54 PM PDT by panther33
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To: chasio649
...so I won’t mention that a Black on White Civil War would be far more devastating than the Union vs. Confederate genocide. Hey, I don’t want to even think about an all out racial war.

Yeah, I think it's best not to think about that possility, because it would be ugly indeed. Not to mention the fact that blacks would not only gain nothing from a race war, but they would end up losing a lot.

44 posted on 08/11/2002 1:24:39 PM PDT by usadave
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To: usadave
We would all lose a lot.
45 posted on 08/11/2002 6:21:06 PM PDT by chasio649
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