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JoeEveryman and the Anti-FReeper Attack on Free Republic
Various Anti-FReeper sites | August 10, 2002 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/10/2002 1:29:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

The anti-FReepers are on the prowl. As most of you know, there is a group of ex-FReepers who have been dogging us for the last several years. The anti-FReeper community was started several years ago by a group of disgruntled individuals who were banned from FR and then wanted to get back at us by damaging our reputation. This started out as petty name calling and rumor mongering, but they now appear determined to cause us as much harm as possible. Even to the point of attempting to get FR and FRN shut down and the owners and managers of the organizations bankrupted or jailed.

Some of the early members of the group include ex-FReepers Mojo, Aligyrl, Landshark, Z2, Headhunter, LindaM, and others who have come and gone over the years. The most recent additions to active anti-FReeping appear to be ex-FReepers Clarity, Clinton's a Liar and JoeEveryman.

There appears to be a certain love/hate relationship involved here. Some of these people hate FR and its PTB (that's "Powers That Be" in their lingo) with such passion that they cannot stay away. Some of the original members of the AF community have given up and drifted off, some have come back to FR, and some are as determined as ever to kill FR and have me and whomever else they can thrown into prison for whatever crimes they imagine us guilty. Their motivation is pure revenge. Their driving force is hatred.

Their current attack is centered around an attempt to break up the Free Republic Network and, through that angle, to cause as much damage to FR as possible. Unfortunately for all of us, there is a genuine problem with the ex-leader of the South Carolina Chapter. Apparently, there was some money collected for events that was never paid over to the vendors and the chapter leader is accused of taking off with the money. I am not going into all of the gory details here, but I understand that there is an official police investigation ongoing and the SC Chapter and the FRN are cooperating fully with the authorities. The anti-FReepers, led by JoeEveryman, are trying to gain maximum leverage from any fallout from this case and are attempting to use it to bring down FRN.

JoeEveryman ran an FR thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/728856/posts) last week on this subject. I eventually deleted it because it was turning into an anti-FReeper haven and I do not want that on FR. The anti-FReepers have plenty of their own websites to conduct their hate campaign. Those who are interested may find JoeEveryman (posting as "Panjandrum") on the LibertyPost.org forum, now appearing to be the latest home of the anti-FReeper community. I have undeleted the JoeEveryman thread for those who are interested in reading it, but have left it locked. I do not want any more anti-FReeping activity on FR.

JoeEveryman is now banned from Free Republic. It is clear on the thead that he ran here on FR and on this (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readarticle.cgi?114+1485+0+1) thread on LibertyPost.org that his intent is to bring FR down and to cause us as many legal problems as he can. I cannot see allowing him to do this on my own website.

It appears to me that they are either preparing some sort of lawsuit and or are trying to entangle me, Bob J, FR and FRN into the SC case. None of us had anything to do with whatever wrongdoing may have taken place in SC. The South Carolina Chapter is an independent entity, as are all of the FR chapters, and neither FR nor FRN have any ownership or control over their activities. It appears that the anti-FReepers are trying to break that down. We'll see. FRN is cooperating fully with the authorities and I will too if they ask.

In the meantime, I do not want them scheming on FR so they are banned and will remain banned. I will also ban any other FR members who get actively engaged in this attempt to bring down FR.

A request to all. Please do not drag any of the anti-FReeper stuff to FR. I do not want it here.

Free Republic has withstood many attacks over the years, from both the left and the right and I am confident that we will survive this attack from this Free Republic Haters Association as well.

Thanks for your continued support.

Jim


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1 posted on 08/10/2002 1:29:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; Amelia; terilyn; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
FYI
2 posted on 08/10/2002 1:36:13 PM PDT by deport
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To: Jim Robinson
Unfortunately for every FRaction, there is an equal and opposite reFRaction.

The anti-FReepers just can't stand to see you still standing.
3 posted on 08/10/2002 1:36:34 PM PDT by navigator
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To: Jim Robinson; diotima
Clinton's a Liar is an anti-freeper? How the heck did that happen? She was one of the best motivated activists on FR during the 2000 election and she had a ton of backround in media relations that she used on this forum regularly (plus a cool screenname)

I, of course, understand there are forces on FR trying to destory it from within. The most dangerous types, IMO, are not the banned freepers, but the DU plants and other liberal disruptors who PRETEND to be conservative and show up on the forum to try and persuade conservatives not to vote for conservative candidates (or to vote for liberal candidates). They are especially effective in the south.

They are also very hard to detech because the put on a great facade of being "disgrunted" 3rd party people (even regularly chiming in on Clinton bashing), when in fact their hatred of mainstream conservatives is because they are lifelong liberal Democrats.

Watch your back.

4 posted on 08/10/2002 1:38:50 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: Jim Robinson
Sorry you have to deal with the treasonous dogs.

Live FRee or Die!
5 posted on 08/10/2002 1:39:35 PM PDT by the crow
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Ping.
6 posted on 08/10/2002 1:40:53 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson
Sure would be nice if they focused their efforts into taking down socialism instead of hashing out petty grudges against web sites they used to frequent. Pity.
7 posted on 08/10/2002 1:41:33 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim I fully concur with your comments and wish people would just go their own way and pursue conservative goals where ever they wind up. That they don't seems rather revealing to me.

I would make only one small correction regarding your comments. The FreeRepublic Network would be more than willing to cooperate with the investigation in any manner should they be asked. Since the FRN was not incorporated until after the events in question and never had any control over the leaders of the SC Chapter, it has not been involved in this investigation. It is true that none of the FR or FRN leaders have anything to hide and would be more than willing to help if they could.

After having seen some of the charges made by the AFRers, and noting some of the non-factual private information regarding certain individuals they have placed on the internet, it would seem to me that they should be a bit concerned with legal entanglements themselves.

8 posted on 08/10/2002 1:43:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: navigator
"The anti-FReepers just can't stand to see you still standing."

Facinating comment.

Talked to Trixie lately?

9 posted on 08/10/2002 1:44:46 PM PDT by Landru
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To: Bob J; ReaganGirl; Seeking the truth; Nick Danger; MinuteGal; LurkerNoMore!; Skeet; The Shrew
Ping!
10 posted on 08/10/2002 1:45:02 PM PDT by abner
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, there is ALWAYS someone or some group out there that can't stand it when a forum of friends come together for the good of everyone.

I've noticed lately, a lot of Unconservative like behavior, and it worries me.

We love you Jim, and we love Free Republic. Do all you can, because we are behind you! Thank you again, for giving us such a wonderful Conservative vehicle!

SheLion

11 posted on 08/10/2002 1:45:41 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Jim Robinson
Hang in there, Jim, I know you won't let these guys get you down, and I have no doubt who will be left standing in the end.
13 posted on 08/10/2002 1:46:23 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Jim Robinson
I hate to say it, but the problem is probably that there is TOO much leeway given on FR to people whose main focus in life is to hate.

We used to have high-toned discussions on FR almost exclusively. But that has long since ceased to be the case, and as usual the vocal, radical minority--those who because of their radicalism are going to be the loudest and most strident voices--tend to make up more space on FR than their numbers would otherwise warrant.

IMO, exteme, radical points of view should be limited here. FR should not be the dumping-ground for every axe-to-grind that these pissant megalomaniacs have.

14 posted on 08/10/2002 1:46:26 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: BillyBoy
I know you meant well BillyBoy, but I happen to be a disgruntled 3rd party member. I have a strong motivation to support the Constitution of the United States and defend it's borders. I would hope that you could understand that some of us are not merely disrupters but do care a great deal about this nation and it's longevity under the ideals it's found fathers promoted.
15 posted on 08/10/2002 1:46:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: navigator
navigator?!

Politics....strange bedfellows....and all that.

17 posted on 08/10/2002 1:50:17 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: BillyBoy
They come in all political stripes, but the pretend-conservatives/moderates do need to be watched.
18 posted on 08/10/2002 1:50:19 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: BillyBoy
""She (CAL) was one of the best motivated activists on FR during the 2000 election""

Not only that, but she was and I think still is Press Secretary (or some such title) for Alan Keyes. I find it hard to believe that she is now an anti-Freeper.

While I think she does disagree with much of the commonly-held politics of Freepers (I disagree with some myself), I just can't see Clinton's A Liar being destructive about it. She was one of the early victims of anti-Freeper activity her own-self.
19 posted on 08/10/2002 1:51:21 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Jim Robinson
The most recent additions to active anti-FReeping appear to be ex-FReepers Clarity, Clinton's a Liar and JoeEveryman.

How ugly and pathetic a turn.

20 posted on 08/10/2002 1:53:14 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Jim Robinson; dixie sass; Memother; chesty_puller; mhking; Japedo; madfly; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; ...
Something went BUMP in the night
21 posted on 08/10/2002 1:53:55 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: RobFromGa
Exactly. Sad isn't it. I wonder how people live with themselves after taping a well meaning individual or organization. Evidently some do it just fine.
22 posted on 08/10/2002 1:55:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: GodBlessAmerica; Cool Guy; CounterCounterCulture; deeel-me-in; Golden Gate; flagbrigade; ...
FYI ping!
23 posted on 08/10/2002 1:56:05 PM PDT by American Preservative
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To: Jim Robinson
. Unfortunately for all of us, there is a genuine problem with the ex-leader of the South Carolina Chapter. Apparently, there was some money collected for events that was never paid over to the vendors and the chapter leader is accused of taking off with the money.

It's a good move to address this out in the open. No organization is completely immune to this kind of problem. However, maybe it's not a bad idea to think about what controls should be implemented to prevent a repeat of this unfortunate event.

I read a good deal of the thread in question. I'm not an attorney, but should you have legitimate concerns about vicarious liability?

24 posted on 08/10/2002 1:58:50 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: DoughtyOne
Point well taken. I did not mean to imply that everyone who says they are a 3rd party person is a disruptor. Far from it. There are a lot of Libertarian Party people and other types who follow forum rules and have to contribute, even if they disagree with certain individuals that have a conservative following here.

You and Mercuria, for example, would be two Buchanan brigagers who I strenously disagree with on FR during the 2000 election, but you made some great points and always had some insightful commentary.

The problem was liberal Democrats who PRETEND to be(and certainly are NOT) 3rd party people for the sole purpose of destorying icons of the conservative movement. There are a number of individuals on FR (who shall go unnamed) who are caught gloating when a liberal Democrat defeats a conservative Republican. The best way to identify these disruptors is that while they claim to be 3rd party, they never say WHAT party they are a member or WHICH candidate they are supporting.

A good example is the VA Governors's race last year. A number of disruptors were rooting for liberal Dem Mark Warner to win (and he did), by spreading blantantly false, vicious lies about the GOP candidate here. They claimed to be 3rd party people, but hardly ever did you see them tote the alledged "3rd party" candidate that they perfered over Warner. They didn't have any. All they did is exclusively tear down the Republican-- NOT tear down BOTH main parties like most "third" people do here. Their posts purely helped Warner get momentum by fracturing ALL opposition to him. When Warner did win, they could barely contain their glee.

A geninue 3rd party person will be more than happy to tell you who they are supporting and why (whether it be Carla Howell or Pat Buchanan or whatever). A liberal disruptor will not, because they need conservatives to buy into the vicious propanganda they are selling.

25 posted on 08/10/2002 1:59:47 PM PDT by BillyBoy
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To: RobFromGa
Rob, it needs to be pointed out that nothing has been proven concerning this allegation. When the SC Chapter leaders learned of this from the resort, they were told by Commonsense that they had been paid fully and she had the cancelled checks. This investigation has not been completed so it would be unwise at this time to make any comments regarding culpability until all the facts are in.
26 posted on 08/10/2002 2:02:22 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Jim Robinson
Stiff upper lip and all that, wot.
As the saying goes, we will survive.
27 posted on 08/10/2002 2:03:04 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Jim Robinson
It just boggles my mind. Of course, when you see the kind of poison expressed from the human being in matters religious and political, it's no surprise to see some of the same kind of venom anywhere people congregate. It's instructive to contrast the motivation of people like the founding fathers who were ready to lay down their lives for a cause greater than themselves with the anti-FR malcontents who want to tear down something greater than themselves because they felt personally dissed. These two groups illustrate the Janus-like character of the human race; on the one hand, the sublime; on the other, the ridiculous.
28 posted on 08/10/2002 2:03:06 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: MAD-AS-HELL; Liberty's Pen; Looking4Truth; PatrioticAmerican; PhilDragoo; Alamo-Girl; ...
FYI ping!
30 posted on 08/10/2002 2:09:08 PM PDT by American Preservative
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To: Jim Robinson
Wasn't Clarity the pro bono lawyer for FR?
31 posted on 08/10/2002 2:09:27 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: BillyBoy
Thanks for the nice response. I am aware that there are disrupters on the forum. I wouldn't say that they're limited to third party types though.

I would say that people who profess to be Republicans who do not support traditional conservative ideals could also be suspect. That's not to say that all supporters of Bush are guilty of this, or that all supporters of Buchanan or other third party individuals are all pure as the driven snow either.

People need to keep their eyes and minds open for people who aren't what they represent themselves to be. And that includes some of our former forum participants who have sadly gone rogue.

I dearly liked some of those people. I gain no pleasure from having to face what they have chosen to do. I would ask people who do not have all the facts to keep an open mind, realizing that leadership has nothing to gain from spreading lies about it's true supporters.

32 posted on 08/10/2002 2:10:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: independentmind
I had my initial post pulled so I could clarify a statement that might be misinterpreted. Here is what I wrote with a slight edit.

You bring up a good point. This issue was one of the reasons that the Network was created. However, since this occured before the Network existed and before there was the ability to discuss and implement controls, we have all had an unfortunate learning experience, one that is informing the structure of the Network and its potential relationships with the chapters.

33 posted on 08/10/2002 2:10:53 PM PDT by diotima
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To: billhilly
He was. He left after the billing dispute with Winston & Strawn.
34 posted on 08/10/2002 2:13:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: jimtorr
She knitted the sweater that Keyes' wore on his short-lived, and truly awful MS/NBC program...( what an incredible waste of a brilliant mind)....she hasn't been herself since it was cancelled..
35 posted on 08/10/2002 2:14:09 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Jim Robinson
Based on what I've seen so far, if I were you, I would not be shaking in my shoes over a lawsuit based on these facts. Wierd how some people just cannot let go. All the best.
36 posted on 08/10/2002 2:15:36 PM PDT by Bahbah
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BUMP
37 posted on 08/10/2002 2:16:42 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: diotima
Thanks for your response, diotima. I did catch your first post; and I suspect I know why it was pulled.

I use FR primarily as a news source, so I'm not really sure I understand the distinction between FR, FRN and the chapters. My comment wasn't intended to be critical; but I don't find sticking one's head in the sand to be a generally useful tactic.

38 posted on 08/10/2002 2:18:00 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Thanks for the bump, AP. See y'all tonight at Paltalk.
39 posted on 08/10/2002 2:19:26 PM PDT by dixie sass
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To: Jim Robinson
This site is one of the best places I have been to. I have met Conservatives of every stripe here and made some lifelong friends, both locally and across the nation. It really breaks my heart to some infantile people abuse this forum.
40 posted on 08/10/2002 2:19:34 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: Jim Robinson
I would like to point out that for several years Commonsense had represented to the Forum that her chapter had incorporated, had officers, a Board of Directors and a treasurer/chief financial officer. She went so far as to mail copies of the legal documents, including State Seals, to other chapters and individuals interested in doing the same. This was the only FR Chapter to have done this and was well before even the Network going down that same path. The point is, to all outward appearances, the SC Chapter was one of the most, if not the most, organized, prepared and effective chapters, possessing the appropriate controls to assure legal and financial responsibility.
41 posted on 08/10/2002 2:20:12 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: American Preservative
I always try to keep an eye peeled for troublemakers- thanks for the warning.
42 posted on 08/10/2002 2:20:59 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Jim Robinson
Throughout history, it is always the practice of groups on both the left and right of the political spectrum to try and consume their own. Probably misdirected passion..or whatever....as one who tends to usually ignore these type of threads 99% of the time, as well as those frantically posted about something that's happening on the DU website, while I understand that you feel theneed, and responsibility, to keep of informed, don't you run the risk of giving them more import and publicity than their worth? It's a fine line, and I don't profess to know which is the best course of action, but considering the Joe Everyman thread, whichyou locked at 320 replies, and ultimately decided to remove...maybe an alternative course of action would have been to leave the original post up, but remove ALL the comments....Part of the attraction for disruptors is all the attention they get..it's evident to them in all the virulent responses and anger they trigger, so why not deny them their pleasure.....
43 posted on 08/10/2002 2:21:36 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Bob J
I missed the original thread, but it might be best not to discuss *anything* about a case that's under investigation.

It does sound like that now-banned freeper is setting up Jim Rob for a lawsuit and the less information posted the better.

44 posted on 08/10/2002 2:21:49 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Jim Robinson
I cannot see allowing him to do this on my own website.

Nothing at all unreasonable about that.

45 posted on 08/10/2002 2:22:10 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: DoughtyOne
DO, look at who most of the anti-Freepers supported. (Hint...NOT Bush.)

Bush people generally tend to follow rules. We are just boring old main-stream Republicans, not conservative enough for you, of course.

By the way, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

46 posted on 08/10/2002 2:24:10 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Jim Robinson
I noticed on that board that the Afers are making noises about JoeEveryman showing up a FRiva to cause a disturbance. We may have to notify Hotel Security.
47 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:10 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Jim Robinson
People loose perspective ...this is an internet site not the French revolution
48 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:24 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Jim Robinson
What follows below is the email that I just sent to JimRob. Last year before the SC event in question, I expressed to Jim my concerns about the Ads that the SC chapter was running on FR, notably the attendance of Judge Sauls and Katherine Harris.

The ads that were run on FR said that Harris and Sauls would be in attendenace at the S.C. event to accept Freedom awards. There was alot of buzz around the S.C. event and alot of people wanted to go.

About a week before the event, I became aware of problems in getting attendance confirmation from Judge Sauls and Katherine Harris. One person in particular (who shall remain nameless) in the S.C. chapter was beside herself because she was told to keep quiet about the event, and that the S.C. chapter had "alot of money" riding on the event. And in fact, they did.

When I became aware of the problems, I posted a thread in the FAB section wanting to know if Katherine Harris and Judge Sauls were in fact going to attend. At the time, there were more than 50 people on Paltalk planning on coming.

Instead of answering the question on the thread, I was trashed by several "key" members of the FAB and told I was destroying the event. The lack of an answer to a direct "are they coming or not?" question spoke volumes.

As the date of the event approached, it was finally learned by a handful of people (including myself) that Judge Sauls and Katherine Harris would not be attending the event --- but it was too late for us to cancel. Plane tickets and reservations on the island were non-refundable. So we opted to go anyway. After all, we had all spoken on-line for so long we wanted to meet each other, and if nothing else we could make a good time for ourselves ... which is what we ended up doing.

But I gotta tell ya, the whole thing STUNK. From the way it was promoted (in which I felt after one point it became deliberately misleading) to how FR was used to promote an event that the organizers knew couldn't live up to it's "billing."

For the record, and for the AF'ers who seek to destroy FR and JimRob, when Jim became aware of what was going on with the event, he pulled the ads from the forum's opening page, and all other pages. In short, Jim did the right thing.

And finally, after all the trashing I took on the FAB boards for raising (and now being validated) my concerns surrounding this event and how FR was fraudulently used by one or more of the event's organizers -- I tell you it was worth it. It was worth doing the right thing and letting Jim know what was going on. It was worth doing the right thing and exposing the fraud that was perpetuated not only on I, but on 15-20 other Freepers who attended that event, and spent our hard earned money to book flights and lodging accommodations. In short, it was worth doing the right thing. Those of you who trashed me instead of attempting to uncover the truth for yourselves should take a lesson from that. Unless and until YOU take a stand for what is right, you're no better than our opposition.

And if that comment gets me banned from the FAB, so be it. Doing so would only validate me further. Frankly, I don't think any of you have it "in you" to step up to the plate and apologize for your trashing me a year ago and I won't hold my breath waiting. I know what type of person I am, and I know what type of people you are.

And now my email to JimRob:

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I trust you recall my comments from last year in which I expressed my concern for FR's allowing promotion of chapter events on the FR forum? Specifically, the claims that were made regarding the attendance of Katherine Harris and the Florida's Judge Sauls at the SC event?

Now you see why. They KNEW beforehand that in fact neither would be attending and yet kept promoting the event saying both would be in attendance until I called them on the carpet for it. Remember the trashing I took on the forum? I truly wish I were wrong in this case, really I do. But everything from the way they asked people to pay for the rooms (ie: give Julie your credit card info.) just STUNK to high heaven.

I'm actually sorry in this case that I've been vindicated as it looks as if some of it is coming at your expense.

If push comes to shove Jim, PLEASE know that I'll back you to the hilt because once I expressed my concerns to you and why, you pulled their ads - as you should have. When you found out what was going on, you did the right thing.

I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology from the people who trashed me when I called the event into question, because frankly none of them are big enough to apologize. But YOU I'll gladly stand by.

And if you want to post this on the forum as proof that you did the right thing when you learned the truth, feel free to. Or better yet, I'll do it myself.

---end paste---

49 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:27 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: Catspaw
It may not seem like it, but the information that Bob has provided is very generalized. There's nothing he provided that isn't very well known to the AFers. That's the shame of it all.
50 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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