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Iraqi War Began Four Days Ago
DebkaFiles ^ | 10 Aug 2002 | DebkaFiles

Posted on 08/10/2002 9:05:25 PM PDT by greggy

US Iraq Campaign Has Its First Engagement
DEBKAfileSpecial Military Analysis

10 August: America’s offensive against Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq has begun as an exercise in gradualism rather than a D-Day drama. DEBKAfile ’s military sources report that tens of thousands of US, British, French, Netherlands, Australian troops may take part in the campaign, openly or covertly, but not in massive waves that fling themselves telegenically on Baghdad...

Tuesday August 6, at 0800 hours Middle East time, US and British air bombers went into action and destroyed the Iraqi air command and control center at al-Nukhaib in the desert between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The center contained advanced fiber optic networks recently installed by Chinese companies. DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources say the raid made military history. For the first time, the US air force used new precision-guided bombs capable of locating and destroying fiber optic systems. The existence of such weaponry was hitherto unknown. Following the destruction of the facility, about 260 miles (415 kilometers), southwest of Baghdad, waves of US warplanes swept in from the Prince Sultan air base in Saudi Arabia and from US aircraft carriers in the Gulf and flew over the Iraqi capital. The Iraqi air force and anti-aircraft system held their fire on orders from above. This deep air penetration told the Americans that the early warning radar system protecting Baghdad and its environs from intrusion by enemy aircraft and missiles was inactive...

Iraq’s military passivity in the face of US-led advances and strikes is beginning to worry the American, Turkish and Israeli high commands. They suspect that Saddam is playing the same fog-of-war game as Washington, so as to put them to sleep and then catch them unawares. Such sudden action could take the form of an Iraqi missile or bomber attack on Israel using warheads loaded with radioactive, chemical or biological materials, a combined missile-terrorist strike to sabotage Saudi oil fields, or a mass terrorist attack in the United States. The sharpest alert to a threat to Iraq’s southern neighbors came not from military intelligence but from international oil dealers, who warned that Saddam Hussein if attacked may well decide to set fire to Saudi and Kuwaiti oil fields, sending oil prices skyrocketing above US$ 40 per barrel....

(Excerpt) Read more at debka.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: america; bush; iraq; saddam; war
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Very interesting... if it is true...
1 posted on 08/10/2002 9:05:25 PM PDT by greggy
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To: greggy
Seems this would have been covered by CNN and other alphabet channels if true. Debka has quite a negative reputation on FR.
2 posted on 08/10/2002 9:08:47 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: greggy
Oh, heck, they are as credible as the New York Times. We might as well read this as Maureen Dowd's column. Ha!
3 posted on 08/10/2002 9:08:55 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: greggy; a_Turk
A_turk posted an article that said Turkey had seized control of a major airbase in the N. Iraq no-fly zone. Interesting.
4 posted on 08/10/2002 9:09:59 PM PDT by xzins
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To: greggy
US air force used new precision-guided bombs capable of locating and destroying fiber optic systems

Yeah, right. Actually DEBKA has blundered into part of the truth. The capture of the airfield and the region in the former north of Iraq by Turkey is not going to be countered by Baghdad.

5 posted on 08/10/2002 9:11:40 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: greggy
Very interesting... if it is true...

(article courtesy of DEBKAfile)

You just answered your own statement.

6 posted on 08/10/2002 9:12:31 PM PDT by strela
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To: greggy
waves of US warplanes swept in from the Prince Sultan air base in Saudi Arabia and from US aircraft carriers in the Gulf and flew over the Iraqi capital

Oh right. Nobody noticed this except the Debka "military experts."

Debka is an IQ test. Don't fail.

7 posted on 08/10/2002 9:13:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Was this the day we flew "airstrikes" over the no fly zone?
8 posted on 08/10/2002 9:17:54 PM PDT by Selara
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To: Dog Gone
I thought the Saudis wouldn't let us use their bases to to wage war with Iraq.
9 posted on 08/10/2002 9:18:35 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Dog Gone
I agree and am somewhat skeptical,however,with all the rhetoric in the last 48 hours makes one wonder just exactly did go down, maybe some exploratory mission?
10 posted on 08/10/2002 9:20:36 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Selara
We seem to fire on something during our patrols of the no-fly zone about every 4 - 6 weeks. Usually, it's a SAM site that lit up the radar, but we've hit C&C stuff before.

You might remember Bush answering questions about a fairly significant strike during an early visit to Mexico.

11 posted on 08/10/2002 9:24:51 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Miss Marple
I'd say they're on par with the Weekly World News.
12 posted on 08/10/2002 9:25:14 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: xzins
I saw that too... must've been a trial balloon, but sure was intriguing.
13 posted on 08/10/2002 9:25:54 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: greggy
...waves of US warplanes swept in from the Prince Sultan air base in Saudi Arabia...

Interesting, considering the fact that the skiffy terrorist-loving Saudis have denied us the use of Prince Sultan Airbase.

DEBKA is the biggest load of crap. They claimed 3 different times between January and April that a major invasion of Iraq by America and allied troops would occur within 4 days.

14 posted on 08/10/2002 9:28:23 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Kryptonite
Debka isn't always right on what they report but,when they report,something hapened some where.
15 posted on 08/10/2002 9:29:13 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: umgud
They won't. And they didn't.

We do patrol the no-fly zone out of Saudi Arabia, and we've hit targets in that zone occasionally.

The southern no-fly zone is well south of Baghdad.

16 posted on 08/10/2002 9:30:17 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: umgud
"I thought the Saudis wouldn't let us use their bases to to wage war with Iraq."

In the Arab world, "saying" and "doing" are two quite separate things...

17 posted on 08/10/2002 9:30:32 PM PDT by okie01
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To: greggy
For the first time, the US air force used new precision-guided bombs capable of locating and destroying fiber optic systems.

Yeah - riiiiight.

18 posted on 08/10/2002 9:33:01 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: okie01
DEBKA is right on.
19 posted on 08/10/2002 9:36:14 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Miss Marple
LOL
20 posted on 08/10/2002 9:36:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Spiff
It wouldn't surprise me. We were all impressed with a smart bomb going down a residential chimney 12 years ago...
21 posted on 08/10/2002 9:38:38 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: xzins
Interesting

My thoughts exactly

22 posted on 08/10/2002 9:39:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: greggy
"if it is true" LET'S ROLL
23 posted on 08/10/2002 9:42:18 PM PDT by Sir Beowolf
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To: Dog Gone
Not trying to be argumentative, but the southern no-fly zone is actually the one that is closest to Baghdad.

Check this out.
 


24 posted on 08/10/2002 9:42:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: greggy
...They suspect that Saddam is playing the same fog-of-war game as Washington, so as to put them to sleep and then catch them unawares.

Yeah, right. Dream on. When the move against Iraq happens, it will be like sh*t through a goose.

25 posted on 08/10/2002 9:44:54 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
We couldnt get Saddam last time... what makes anyone think our goals will be different this time, with respect to killing the guy?
26 posted on 08/10/2002 9:47:12 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: greggy
very doubtful.
27 posted on 08/10/2002 9:51:28 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: umgud
I thought the Saudis wouldn't let us use their bases to to wage war with Iraq.

Well, not publicly.

If this article is true, it describes a good strategy. Not known to many is that Clinton bombed Iraq all through the late 90's, IIRC, but there was very little attention paid to it.

I'm not defending Clinton, but I'm saying that there would be no lack of precedent for taking out various targets there thoughout the years.

28 posted on 08/10/2002 9:53:23 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Righter-than-Rush
Well, my understanding is that we (= the coalition) wanted to leave him in power last time, ostensibly as a means of preventing an islamist takeover of Iraq. Methinks that post 9-11, the risk of allowing SWaddam Insane in power, in a position of unleashing chemical/biological/nuclear weapons against the West (through proxy fighters), is too great. I agree with the current proposition. He should be "replaced", the sooner the better. He could have been killed the last time. He will be killed this time. This is of course only my opinion.
29 posted on 08/10/2002 9:54:00 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: ovrtaxt
That was quite impressive. We should do more of that, but in Saudi Arabia, which is also our enemy.
30 posted on 08/10/2002 9:56:12 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
I agree. But it makes me wonder why we are not ready to attach Saudi as well at this time. Useful idiots?

We could use the oil cut-off as a signal to develop alternate sources.

31 posted on 08/10/2002 9:59:26 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: greggy
Oh Debka, if only you were right this time...
32 posted on 08/10/2002 10:03:12 PM PDT by Petronski
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To: Dog Gone
I like that phrase.
33 posted on 08/10/2002 10:09:14 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Spiff
It may be possible. Unlikely though. Any piece of electronic equipment puts out an electronic signature. All you'd have to do is lock onto it with some sort of guidance system. Afte all a heat seeking missile locks onto the radiation on the Infra-red spectrum why not find a way to lock onto frequencies in other spectrums.
34 posted on 08/10/2002 10:11:31 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Dec31,1999
it makes me wonder why we are not ready to attach Saudi as well at this time.

Agreed. But it seems that diplomacy is generally conducted at an imperceptable level, except for the pronouncements that are intended to pacify the masses. I think that the message you mentioned has already been delivered loud and clear behind the scenes. The Saudi's have few friends since Sir Lawrence left town, excepting the corporate oil interests. And they really don't care who runs the country, as long as the oil flows west.

35 posted on 08/10/2002 10:12:00 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: greggy
Doh! I've been Debka'd...
36 posted on 08/10/2002 10:13:32 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
well said.
37 posted on 08/10/2002 10:21:16 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Also agreed. However, the Saudi family may be our best choice of useful idiots at this perilous time. It could be worse, what with all those Islamic fanatics there beaming with pride. And they are. Trust me on this one.

If there isn't a lot going on behind the scenes, there damn well should be.

They got to destroy the entire WTC and come out smelling like roses. This shall not stand.


38 posted on 08/10/2002 10:35:56 PM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: greggy
Debka is actually reporting on an trans-probablity extra-dimensional space. They actually do a terrific job of getting the alternate-facts straight. Its just a shame that it bears so little signifigance for our own spot in the space-time continuum.
39 posted on 08/10/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: greggy
DEBKA should change their name to COMEDY CENTRAL!
40 posted on 08/10/2002 10:36:45 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RightWhale
Why didn't you know that fiber optic systems are resistant to conventional explosives???

Neither did I… ;-)

I do believe even smoke signal communications fail in the haze of conventional explosives…
41 posted on 08/10/2002 10:38:27 PM PDT by DB
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To: greggy
Seems that US/foreign press would have at least reported the explosions. Every SAM site the US has taken out over the last 10 years has been quietly but dutifully reported, and I've seen nothing for a while.

That said, once in a while - a long while - Debka hits it right on. But I need a little more help before I believe this one.
42 posted on 08/10/2002 10:49:17 PM PDT by July 4th
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For the first time, the US air force used new precision-guided bombs capable of locating and destroying fiber optic systems.

Yeah, right, uh huh!! Sure thing, and batboy is stalking Saddam right now with a saddam seeking missile.

Let's get real, with fiber optics, there is no heat, there is no electromagnetic field, there is light going through a tube for god's sake. There is NO way to find it unless you know where they were buried. There isn't even metal, unless it's armored, which I seriously doubt.

Debka is so full of it, about as reliable as the tabloids.
43 posted on 08/10/2002 10:53:32 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: xzins; a_Turk
The Turkish military came back and denied that report!

They said!

44 posted on 08/10/2002 10:55:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Dec31,1999
Nice picture. What is it that I see to the right of the post in foregrond?
That couldn't be a missle, could it?

We all know how adicted to the truth our government is, and that they must have had a good reason for not allowing forensic teams to exam the site before removal of the debris.

45 posted on 08/10/2002 11:15:33 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: Aric2000
Let's get real, with fiber optics, there is no heat, there is no electromagnetic field, there is light going through a tube for god's sake. There is NO way to find it unless you know where they were buried

You just shot down the only interesting thing in this report, the part I'd hoped was true. Exceedingly cool to be able to search and destroy fiber optics. Mabe ve haff vays to work with light waves?

46 posted on 08/10/2002 11:22:53 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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But it seems that diplomacy is generally conducted at an imperceptable level...

Absolutely, Mad Tom! ... Now how do we convince some of our fellow FReepers with no patience that this is how it's done?

47 posted on 08/10/2002 11:24:08 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Dec31,1999
Not known to many is that Clinton bombed Iraq all through the late 90's.

Sigh. Only when convenient.

48 posted on 08/10/2002 11:27:23 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Aric2000; All; greggy; Mad_Tom_Rackham
There is now this report:

KURDISH WAR: The Northern Axis Against Iraq

49 posted on 08/10/2002 11:28:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: eastforker
Debka isn't always right on what they report but,when they report,something hapened some where.

LOL! and it may or may not be important!

50 posted on 08/10/2002 11:40:38 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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