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Feral Frenzy
the Eugene Weekly ^ | 8 Aug 02 | By Jacquelyn Lewis

Posted on 08/12/2002 5:37:34 PM PDT by Glutton

Feral Frenzy
Eugene's wild cat population is growing,
but is killing them or caring for them the best solution?
 

By Jacquelyn Lewis

Katrina Holmes and Jared Kahn (above) have been busy feeding the homeless for the past year. A well-worn path leads to the door of their small apartment, where weary feet tread every morning and night, in search of food, water and perhaps a little love.

In between feedings, you can find the likes of Zion, Sunshine, Snow and Moon lounging in the bushes or stretching their bodies in the sun. Just like any other homeless population, the cats have hard lives, but they seem oblivious that their very existence may be in danger.

Their caretakers, Kahn and Holmes, residents of the Devonshire Hills apartment complex in west Eugene, are participating in the Trap-Neuter-Release program (TNR) — a worldwide effort aimed at trapping feral and stray cats so they can be neutered, receive medical attention and be released back where they were found. Participants of the TNR program often provide food and makeshift shelters for the cats as well.

The pair became involved with the TNR program after moving to the apartment complex last year. They saw hungry stray and feral cats roaming the grounds on a regular basis.

According to the complex's general manager, David Frank, there are about 50 stray and feral cats on the property. Although Frank has only managed the complex since October, he says he has spoken with previous managers about the feral cat population. "It's been a problem for many years," he says.

Feral cats can be defined
as "the offspring of
domesticated house cats
who have been abandoned
or who have gotten lost
while searching for mates.
Feral cats often band together
in colonies and continue breeding."

Kahn and Holmes say the number of homeless cats on the property is closer to 25, and they go through at least 18 pounds of dry cat food and a case of canned cat food every month in their efforts to stabilize the population. So far, they have spayed and neutered 17 of the cats through the Feral Cat Coalition of Oregon (FCCO) and its TNR program. "It's slowly but surely," says Holmes.

"It's very difficult, time-consuming and costs money," wrote Kahn and Holmes, "... we are dedicated to helping this population, as they are like a family to us, and to many others in this complex." Their driving force is simple: "We love these cats," says Holmes.

However, Frank doesn't mention the word "love" when referring to the cats residing around his complex. Instead, he looks at the problem from a business point of view. "It is very difficult to show apartments when a cat crosses your path at every turn," he says. He also points to the unpleasantness of the cats' "hissing, screaming, sex and yelps at night, and defecation during the day."

Holmes and Kahn say Frank has threatened to "remove" all cats not wearing identification tags within a month. They say the animals would be euthanized by the Lane County Animal Regulation Authority (LCARA).

Frank says this is not the case. "I feel [Kahn and Holmes] insulted the intelligence of the tenants by the ridiculous claim that they made," he says, referring to a letter and petition Kahn and Holmes issued seeking support for their efforts. "They were out of line. It was pure sensationalism. There have never been any concrete plans."

Instead, Frank says he has simply forbidden tenants to feed animals outdoors. "We should see a significant reduction in feral animals if there isn't food readily available," he says. The LCARA recommended not feeding the cats. "I don't know if [the TNR method] works or not," he says. "I want to see results, and I am not going to take part in something that keeps animals here by feeding them." Frank also plans to issue a newer, more detailed pet policy for the complex this week.

"I don't know what's going to happen now," says Kahn, stroking one of the cats.

Perhaps this sentiment echoes that of the entire county. What is going to happen now — not just to the feral cats in the Devonshire Hills complex, but to the thousands in Lane County?

 

An Epidemic
Feral cat overpopulation, with all its controversies and intricacies, is not unique to Devonshire Hills. In fact, the number of feral and stray felines has reached what Mike Wellington, program manager at LCARA, calls "epidemic level" in the past few years.

FCCO Eugene Coordinator Cathy Bill warms an emaciated cat following surgery for an absess and tooth removal.

Between 1996 and June 2001 alone, LCARA processed more than 7,000 cats, 6,000 of which were euthanized. Wellington estimates that nearly 95 percent of euthanized cats are feral, and August is the peak month for feral cat overpopulation.

All cats brought to LCARA go through a screening process to determine if they are "feral." The process involves a 24-hour surveillance period and a temperament test. If two officers agree the animal is feral, it can be euthanized immediately. "The evaluation factor has to deal with health, obvious nutrition and obvious domestication," Wellington says. "There are an estimated 500,000 feral cats in Oregon."

According to the FCCO, feral cats can be defined as "the offspring of domesticated house cats who have been abandoned or who have gotten lost while searching for mates. Feral cats often band together in colonies and continue breeding. Over time they become more and more wary of people and teach their kittens to avoid humans."

People who aren't ready for the responsibilities of pet ownership sometimes abandon their cats. College students arriving in the fall often get kittens and abandon them when it is time to return home in the summer. Wellington says a single one of these female cats and her offspring can produce 420,000 kittens in seven years, though many of the offspring don't survive.

The result is an overwhelming population of homeless cats, living off whatever food they can find, including garbage, rodents and birds. According to Wellington, these colonies can be destructive because they can carry more than 30 diseases contagious either to humans or pet cats. He also says the colonies offset the balance of wildlife, since cats often consume birds and have no natural predators. However, Wellington also adds that properly managed, healthy feral cat colonies can be beneficial in large cities. "It keeps the rodent control down," he says.

 

Organizations in Action
A plethora of local and national organizations, each with their own opinions on how to manage feline overpopulation, are working to reduce the number of stray cats.

The FCCO, based in Portland, uses the TNR method. Founded in 1995, the FCCO travels around the state providing spay and neuter services solely to feral cats trapped by their caregivers. The mass clinic, which takes place every other month, operates out of a mobile veterinary unit. The FCCO asks the cats' caregivers for a $20 donation on each animal spayed or neutered, but "we don't turn anybody away," says Cathy Bill, Eugene coordinator for the FCCO. However, Bill says it is imperative that caregivers call and make reservations ahead of time.

The FCCO — supported solely through donations and manned by volunteers — has spayed and neutered more than 12,000 feral cats. "The TNR program is a darn good start," says Bill, "the cats are healthier as well as not reproducing,"

Julie Rowley, DVM of Amazon Park Animal Clinic, spays a cat at an FCCO mobile clinic Aug. 4.

Bill says many landlords are supportive of the TNR program, while others are not. "It's a mixed reaction to the feral and stray cat population. Some landlords don't understand if they get rid of feral cats in their area, more will move in," she says. If landlords prevent the cats' caretakers from feeding them, Bill says, "they will get very sick, and they can live on garbage — there's always garbage. There's no guarantee that they will move away."

However, Wellington says, "it won't reduce the population, but if you quit feeding [the cats], they're going to go somewhere else to eat, and that will reduce the activity in that area. It's just common sense."

Still, Wellington agrees that the TNR program is a positive factor. "It's a great thing they're doing," he says, "a good step in the right direction to curb the overpopulation of feral cats." He also advocates implementing a cat ordinance, since Eugene currently has no laws requiring cats to be licensed. "Someone needs to be responsible, other than the taxpayer," he says, pointing to the $165 minimum required for LCARA to "process" a single feral cat — catching, feeding, testing and euthanizing.

Wellington devised a cat ordinance, which he submitted to the city and county officials. The proposed ordinance is similar to a dog ordinance, requiring cats to be licensed and wear identification. Unlike dogs, cats would be allowed to roam free as long as they were spayed or neutered. Wellington says well-defined regulations helped dramatically reduce the population of stray dogs. "We need to start looking at cats that way also," he says.

Leanne and Lorna Cook are proponents of both the TNR method and a county licensing procedure. The sisters, who helped start up the FCCO's mobile clinic five years ago, now run their own cat sanctuary in Pleasant Hill. Ninth Life is supported by local businesses and individual donors, and is dedicated to rescuing and finding homes for "feral, unadoptable, abandoned or throw-away cats," says Leanne Cook. "We've placed almost 500 kitties who were on death's door or wilder than a March hare. This is our whole life. This is unconditional love."

Judy Scher (left) and Meg Hicks give a flea treatment to a cat recovering from surgery

Ninth Life is also represented by volunteer Krystal Bachman at the FCCO's mobile clinic in Eugene. "TNR is working all over the world," says Cook.

The Stray Cat Alliance (SCA) in Eugene is working to alleviate the pressure by providing low-cost food, spay, neuter and medical services for the pets of low-income owners. The alliance also provides cat food for feral cat caregivers.

Deanna Kuhn, SCA director and former FCCO coordinator, says the TNR program in combination with massive, low-cost spay and neuter clinics subsidized by the public, is the best solution. Otherwise, she says, "the public ends up paying to have these cats euthanized."

All the organizations agree on one thing: Responsible pet ownership is the key to preventing future feral cat overpopulation. Wellington and Cook advise pet owners to microchip their pets as a form of identification. In fact, Cook says she and her sister are in the process of obtaining a microchipping system, which they plan to make available through low-cost clinics.

 

Owners for Life
Most of all, animal organizations urge pet owners to consider the implications of owning a pet before getting one, and to spay and neuter their cats. "When you get an animal, it is for life," says Bill. "Spay and neuter to prevent overpopulation and for the health benefits of the pets."

Cook says she would like to travel the country and educate the public on responsible pet ownership. "You can be a low-income pet owner and still be responsible," she says.

She also says that citizens who aren't particularly fond of cats should be active as well. "People who don't like cats should be the most involved," she says. "If they have a problem, all they have to do is get involved in the solution. They can help."

Wellington also urges the entire community to get involved. "We're a product of the community," says Wellington. "If the community was more responsible and acted in a more responsible manner, our jobs would be easier."

Good or bad, the feral cat population depends on these responsibilities: the choices we make as human beings. The future of Moon, Zion and other feral cats will be an echo of those decisions.

 

 

 

'Other' Homeless Animals
Pro-Bone-O, formerly known as Helping Animals Living Outdoors (HALO), is dedicated to helping another kind of homeless animal: the pets of homeless people in the community.

The organization holds a free clinic from 9 am to 1 pm every second and fourth Sunday at the St. Vincent De Paul service station on Highway 99 North. Volunteer veterinarians provide basic services, including vaccines, check ups, de-worming and medications for skin and digestive problems.

"The program is first-come, first-serve," says coordinator and board member Lyn Gilman-Garrick. "Ninety-nine percent of the pets treated at the clinic are dogs and cats."

Pro-Bone-O works with the FCCO to provide referrals, and the FCCO assisted Pro-Bone-O with their free spay and neuter clinic last spring.

Twenty veterinarians from the community volunteer their time to operate the clinics and make up the board of directors. Two vets also volunteer to perform cat and dog spay or neuter operations. The rest of the volunteers are individuals from the community.

Take Action
If you are interested in adopting a cat, donating money, volunteering or obtaining more information about stray or feral cats, contact:

Feral Cat Coalition of Oregon
(503) 797-2686 in Portland, (541) 607-4282 (Eugene hotline)

Greenhill Humane Society
689-1503

Lane County Animal Regulation Authority
682-3647

Pro-Bone-O
302-6279, 252 W. 7th Ave., Eugene 97401

SPOT (Stop Pet Overpopulation Today)
485-SPOT

Stray Cat Alliance
341-3974

The Ninth Life
(541) 747-8964, P.O. Box 633, Pleasant Hill 97455

 


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We have tons of raccoons and possums locally too. And I am not surprised a city heavy with environmentalists would have such hand wringing to do about this topic.

A friend of mine was kicked out of an environmentalist watering hole of a coffee shop for pitch forking a possum bothering the neighbor's dogs. Idiots.

We also have an outbreak of heartworms to worry about. These are carried by mosquitoes, and normally is an affliction found in the Southeast.

Mother Nature would handle an over population of carnivores like housecats by culling out the excess.

Now what's so hard about that?

1 posted on 08/12/2002 5:37:34 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: Glutton
You are obligated to post a recipe with each response.


Stay safe; stay armed.


2 posted on 08/12/2002 5:41:45 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: Glutton; EBUCK; SAMWolf
We had a little problem with feral cats here in my W. Indianapolis neighborhood. Someone had moved out and left a half-dozen cats or so behind. The little old neighbor ladies, not exactly greenie-weanies, just sweet old ladies, kept feeding them, and we were up to about 15 cats living in bushes, behind and under tool sheds, and everywhere else cats hang out. I rented a trap and caught eight of them the first week. One of them bit the crap out of me.
3 posted on 08/12/2002 5:48:44 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
Thanks for the ping! Bump
4 posted on 08/12/2002 5:50:12 PM PDT by SAMWolf
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To: Dakmar
A girl who lives above me was hospitalized for an infection in an abcess from a hit of heroin she did although she is on the methedone program locally. (She has diabetes too.)

Her Mom flew in from Arizona and discovered her daughter's rats had been multiplying, and that the ignored problem of pets becoming vermin had allowed then into the walls.

Some locals were angry because they were poisoned. As someone who had rotting rodents mined from the sheetrock in my ceiling, I say good riddance to them.

The girl? She still lives there. This is Eugene after all, and that incident was not enough to evict her. Unless she gets rats as pets again that is.

5 posted on 08/12/2002 6:00:26 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: Dakmar
Cats are best served warm.
6 posted on 08/12/2002 6:04:10 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Glutton; Khepera; headsonpikes; FITZ; ArGee; JMJ333; EODGUY; Brownie74; SAMWolf; AnnaZ; ...
I think your on to it man...The soccer moms don't want vermin rats living around them and their kids, but if you expect the same standard they'll paint you an extremist.
7 posted on 08/12/2002 6:08:34 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
I guess I am. Now what?
8 posted on 08/12/2002 6:09:59 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Khepera
Cats are best served warm.

I'm so glad now I never accepted any invitations to dine with you and your family. :-)

9 posted on 08/12/2002 6:10:15 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Khepera
Well, that question was meant for glutton, I dealt with you later in the thread.
10 posted on 08/12/2002 6:11:40 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
Well my friends tell me I'm a great cook. So there!
11 posted on 08/12/2002 6:13:07 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Khepera
Well I've never eaten cats except in times of mild food shortages. That bassett hound I caught last week was pretty tender, however...
12 posted on 08/12/2002 6:19:56 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Glutton
Why don't people try to help instead of calling it a problem. Catch a cat and have it fixed. Try to do the RIGHT thing...don't be lazy or don't be cheap..try to HELP the situation....let it have a life...after all...it was a HUMAN that left it homeless. If people would have their cats fixed...there would be no problem. Poor cats....so misunderstood. It's such a huge sad dilemma......and people just call them problems.....when all along it is people that are the problem.
13 posted on 08/12/2002 6:21:28 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Dakmar
I'm God's lonely man...

You lookin at me? Huh? Are You Looking At Me?

14 posted on 08/12/2002 6:25:32 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
Well if we where not supposed to eat cats then why are they made out of meat?
15 posted on 08/12/2002 6:26:15 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Glutton
Acid Rain May Hinder Bird Breeding

And they want to blame it on cats....


16 posted on 08/12/2002 6:28:02 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Khepera
Man is made out of meat too....and it's supposed to be tastier....
17 posted on 08/12/2002 6:29:13 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Khepera
Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his ass to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down you dig farting out the words. It was unlike anything I had ever heard.
This ass talk had sort of a gut frequency. It hit you right down there like you gotta go. You know when the old colon gives you the elbow and it feels sorta cold inside, and you know all you have to do is turn loose? Well this talking hit you right down there, a bubbly, thick stagnant sound, a sound you could smell.

This man worked for a carnival you dig, and to start with it was like a novelty ventri- liquist act. Real funny, too, at first. He had a number he called The Better Ole that was a scream, I tell you. I forget most of it but it was clever. Like, "Oh I say, are you still down there, old thing?"

"Nah I had to go relieve myself."

After a while the ass start talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared and his ass would ad-lib and toss the gags back at him every time.

Then it developed sort of teeth-like little raspy in- curving hooks and start eating. He thought this was cute at first and built an act around it, but the asshole would eat its way through his pants and start talking on the street, shouting out it wanted equal rights. It would get drunk, too, and have crying jags nobody loved it and it wanted to be kissed same as any other mouth. Finally it talked all the time day and night, you could hear him for blocks screaming at it to shut up, and beating it with his fist, and sticking candles up it, but nothing did any good and the asshole said to him Its you who will shut up in the end. Not me. Because we dont need you around here any more. I can talk and eat AND shit.

After that he began waking up in the morning with a transparent jelly like a tadpoles tail all over his mouth. This jelly was what the scientists call un-D.T., Undifferentiated Tissue, which can grow into any kind of flesh on the human body. He would tear it off his mouth and the pieces would stick to his hands like burning gasoline jelly and grow there, grow anywhere on him a glob of it fell. So finally his mouth sealed over, and the whole head would have have amputated spontaneous- except for the EYES you dig. Thats one thing the asshole COULDNT do was see. It needed the eyes. But nerve connections were blocked and infiltrated and atrophied so the brain couldnt give orders any more. It was trapped in the skull, sealed off. For a while you could see the silent, helpless suffer- ing of the brain behind the eyes, then finally the brain must have died, because the eyes WENT OUT, and there was no more feeling in them than a crabs eyes on the end of a stalk.
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18 posted on 08/12/2002 6:29:45 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Glutton
Mother Nature would handle an over population of carnivores like housecats by culling out the excess.

The fact about cats is that they breed far more prolifically than racoons or opossums. A female cat is either in heat or pregnant all year round. Feeding feral cats provides an environment which does not necessarily make them subject to the same laws of population control as pertains to native species.

Just for the record--I am a major animal lover. I've saved more than a few cats--mostly domesticated, who were dumped by their butthead owners. I say the trap, neuter and release programs for feral cats, where available, is a good plan--but just feeding them so they can make more sick and starving cats doesn't work for me.
19 posted on 08/12/2002 6:31:41 PM PDT by scholar
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To: headsonpikes; one_particular_harbour
Well, read it before it get ganked I guess.
20 posted on 08/12/2002 6:31:43 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: mhking
I thunk you myte giggle at this hyar too.
21 posted on 08/12/2002 6:35:47 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Sungirl
I have found a .22 rifle solves the problem quicker and cheaper too. Cats are not an endangered species.
22 posted on 08/12/2002 6:41:31 PM PDT by packrat35
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To: Sungirl
I prefer women thank you.
23 posted on 08/12/2002 6:45:29 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Dakmar
I'm speechless!
24 posted on 08/12/2002 6:47:04 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: packrat35
Well aren't you the model citizen. What a man! Such character...such a heart and soul...such caring intelligent compassion...your wife is so lucky.

I hope you shoot the wrong cat one day....one someone owns.
Someone like me.
25 posted on 08/12/2002 6:48:52 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Khepera
Absolutely speechless here too. I wish I had put up a dollar for every minute the Burroughs quote was here. My CD player just clicked over to "Big Rock Candy Mountain", lol.
26 posted on 08/12/2002 6:55:24 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: packrat35
I hope you're a good shot. I inherited a cat with a .22 bullet in its leg, not pretty but it recovered. If you shoot any of my cats it better be quick and clean.
27 posted on 08/12/2002 6:59:42 PM PDT by palmer
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To: Glutton
...feed the rats to the cats, and the cats to the rats, and get the cat skins for nothing....

Husker Du, "How to Skin a Cat"

28 posted on 08/12/2002 7:00:55 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Dakmar
Pretty good. Do you write your own material?
29 posted on 08/12/2002 7:03:59 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: tictoc
I wish, LOL. That passage was entirely W.S.Burroughs. I just pasted it.
30 posted on 08/12/2002 7:09:33 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: scholar
"I say the trap, neuter and release programs for feral cats, where available, is a good plan--but just feeding them so they can make more sick and starving cats doesn't work for me.

Only if YOU feed/doctor them and IF you BELL them out of consideration for the rest of G_d's small creatures.....ONLY THEN-maybe.

31 posted on 08/12/2002 7:19:12 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: Terriergal; Uncle Meat; Tennessee_Bob
,,, a cat thread. Ummm, yeah. I'll just get some thoughts together for this one.
32 posted on 08/12/2002 7:25:22 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Dakmar
I didn't know you wore pasties?
33 posted on 08/12/2002 7:25:32 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Khepera
That's "pastries" you fool! ;^)
34 posted on 08/12/2002 7:28:45 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
Oh, my mistake. So thats why the lumps under your shirt!
35 posted on 08/12/2002 7:31:20 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Sungirl
I hope you shoot the wrong cat one day....one someone owns. Someone like me.

,,, am I to understand from this that there are right and wrong cats to shoot?

36 posted on 08/12/2002 7:31:42 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Khepera
Oh death
Oh death
Won't you spare me over til another year

Well what is this that I can't see
With ice cold hands taking hold of me
Well I am death none can excel
I'll open the door to heaven or hell

Whoa death someone would pray
Could you wait to call me til another day
The children pray the preacher preached
Time and mercy is out of your reach

I'll fix your feet til you can't walk
I'll lock your jaw til you can't talk
I'll close your eyes so you can't see
This very hour come and go with me

In death I come to take the soul
Leave the body and leave it cold
To drop the flesh off of the frame
The earth and worms both have a claim

Oh death
Oh death
Won't you spare me over til another year

My mother came to my bed
Place a cold towel upon my head
My head is warm my feet are cold
Death is a movin upon my soul

Oh death how you're treatin me
You close my eyes so I can't see
Well you're hurtin my body you make me cold
You run my life right out of my soul

Oh death please consider my age
Please don't take me at this stage
My wealth is all at your command
If you'll remove your icy hands

Oh the young the rich or poor
All alike to me you know
No wealth no land no silver or gold
Nothin satisfies my but your soul

Oh death
Oh death
Won't you spare me over til another year
Won't you spare me over til another year
Won't you spare me over til another year

37 posted on 08/12/2002 7:34:53 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Khepera


In the Jailhouse Now





I had a friend named Ramblin Bob
He used to steal gamble and rob
He thought he was the smartest guy around
Well I found out last Monday that Bob got locked up Sunday
They'vee got him in the jailhouse way downtown

He's in the jailhouse now
He's in the jailhouse now
Well, I told him once or twice to stop playin cards and shootin
dice
He's in the jailhouse now

Bob liked to play his poker
Pinochle whist and euchre
But shootin dice was his favorite game
He got throw'd in jail with nobody to go his bail
The judge done said that he refused to the fine

He's in the jailhouse now
He's in the jailhouse now
Well, I told him once or twice to stop playin cards and shootin
dice
He's in the jailhouse now

Well I went out last Tuesday
I met a girl named Suzie
I said I was the swellest guy around
Well we got to spendin my money, and she started to callin me honey
We took in every cabaret in town
We're in the jailhouse now

We're in the jailhouse now
We're in the jailhouse now
Well I told that judge right to his face, I don't like to see
this place
We're in the jailhouse now
38 posted on 08/12/2002 7:36:38 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Dakmar
Send me those in email so I don't lose them.
39 posted on 08/12/2002 7:47:14 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Khepera


Angel Band






My latest sun is sinking fast
My race is nearly run
My strongest trials now are past
My triumph has begun

Oh come angel band
Come and around me stand
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings
To my immortal home
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings
To my immortal home

Oh bear my longing heart to him
Who bled and died for me
Who's blood now cleanses from all sin
And gives me victory
40 posted on 08/12/2002 7:48:51 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Khepera
http://www.bluegrasslyrics.com/ohbrother.html
41 posted on 08/12/2002 7:49:43 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: shaggy eel
lol!
42 posted on 08/12/2002 8:32:03 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Glutton
Mother Nature would handle an over population of carnivores like housecats by culling out the excess. Now what's so hard about that?

I agree.

43 posted on 08/12/2002 8:33:44 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Glutton
Although honestly, I'd probably feel too bad to shoot a kitty myself unless it were dangerous or ill or injured. Even then I'd rather get my hubby to do it. {:-\
44 posted on 08/12/2002 8:34:39 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
I haven't shot a cat in years since I moved back into the city. I knew that would get a rise out of you. I have seen your many left wing loonie posts about animals and wacky save the planet issues.

Catch a clue train sometime: feral cats also attack and kill livestock, such as chickens, ducks, rabbits, etc. I feel no remorse for smacking them down to protect what was mine.
45 posted on 08/13/2002 12:04:36 AM PDT by packrat35
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To: palmer
Well if I had shot your cat, you would never have seen it again. Not bragging but a fact. However the subject was FERAL cats (as in wild). I did not go around smacking down house cats of my neighbors.
46 posted on 08/13/2002 12:07:09 AM PDT by packrat35
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To: Glutton
Some landlords don't understand if they get rid of feral cats in their area, more will move in," she says.

In that case, keep shooting them as you see them.

Logic would dictate that the feral kitty population will eventually decrease.

What a bunch of bedwetting crybabies.

47 posted on 08/13/2002 12:35:15 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: Dakmar
I must admit that exess cats were never a problem when I lived in Taiwan. In fact, it took quite an effort to ensure that the family pet cat didn't become the entre of the day at the local restaurant.
48 posted on 08/13/2002 7:55:09 AM PDT by EODGUY
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To: Dakmar
Thanks for the link. I'm a bit of a picker myself. ;^)
49 posted on 08/13/2002 8:03:48 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: EODGUY
I hope you aren't offended by my post in #18, I had a few too many beers and figured it would get pulled after about 10 seconds.
50 posted on 08/13/2002 8:10:13 AM PDT by Dakmar
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