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Rich Americans With Guns! Oh MY!
LewRockwell.com ^ | Aug. 14, 2002 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 08/15/2002 12:00:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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To: decimon; Vic3O3
Ah yes, The Guardian, always a reliable and truthful news source.

Semper Fi!
21 posted on 08/15/2002 2:29:31 PM PDT by dd5339
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To: Blood of Tyrants
We gotta win the Lotto to afford it...and ya gotta play to win...Hmm, I see a problem here. Also thanks for the description of a 4-bore.
22 posted on 08/15/2002 3:40:55 PM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: Atchafalaya
They're on his Xmas wishlist!
23 posted on 08/15/2002 3:46:57 PM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: Black Agnes
Che had it coming!

So did Leon Trotskey. So do the *Red ink* journalists.

Bozhe moy, u meenya tapor v golove!

24 posted on 08/16/2002 11:16:05 AM PDT by archy
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To: dd5339
Actually with a small child at home there is no chance of affording either the African Safari or an H&H, (unless I win the lottery that is!) If I did go to Africa I'd probably have to find something in a Magnum Mauser around a .500 Jeffery or so. Then again, I do kind of like having my shoulder attatched to my body.

I had essentially the same problem. But you can make do with a reworked Siamese Mauser or Number 3 Mark 1 *Pattern 14* Enfield. I've had one P.14 built up into a .338 Lapua magnum rifle, suitable for most anything short of African *big 5* game, for which a double-rifle based on a over/under shotgun action and barrel block might be my answer. Even a .450 or .45-70 is worth consideration, and with proper ammunition, a 460G&A should handle anything you'd encounter if placed well. Of course, that's the trick, isn't it.

And for the lighter sport, up to elephant, I'm thinking of one of these in .275 Rigby, also very usable for American whitetail deer and elk, and possibly bear and moose, if need be.


25 posted on 08/16/2002 11:28:08 AM PDT by archy
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To: archy
Actually, we've got most of what we need for about anything, (shy of the big 5 or the large bears) already at home in the safe. The only real hole we have is something in a .27 caliber, other than that were covered from .223 to .303, (and yes that would be a good old war pig Enfield). There is just so many more guns out there that we would love to have.

I've considered building up a Mauser into something interesting. If I was to do it for a Big 5 hunt, I'd probably lean toward a 404 or 500 Jeffery, (just to be different). Who knows though, that's going to be a long time in the future.

Right now though I'm kind of leaning toward a Remington 700 in the new 7 SAUM. A 7 SAUM should be good for everything from Prarie Dog, (overkill I know) to Elk. We've got a fantastic Remington smith in the area. I just have to save my spare change until I can do it.

Semper Fi
26 posted on 08/16/2002 11:47:43 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: decimon
"I've been studying lions in northern Botswana for 20 years and watching them systematically decline in population size and health primarily, perhaps even solely, as the result of hunting," he said.

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The nature of lion hunting has changed from colonial days. Faster vehicles and high powered rifles have further reduced the already bad odds against the animals. On top of that, the idea of three week hunts deep into the bush in the hope, but not necessarily the expectation, of bagging something big have given way to the concept of a sure kill.

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"There's no other reason to shoot a lion other than ego. As a hunter you want to feel great so you can hang it on the wall and your mates say: 'Wow, what a man'," Mr Joubert said.

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Exact numbers of lions are notoriously difficult to measure but there is broad consensus among conservationists and governments that the population in Africa has fallen from about 50,000 to less than 15,000 over the past decade.

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"We've also seen some bizarre situations arising. Hunters target the primary males. When they disappear the male cubs don't leave the pride, they're not chased out. So we've seen these young males breeding with their sisters and their mothers because the trophy males have been killed."

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Many of the lions are bred in captivity solely as bait for hunters and then hardly pursued at all. They are released into what are no more than fields surrounded by fences and "hunted". They have no chance of escape.

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On one occasion captured on video a lioness was separated from her cubs and shot just yards away. Last year a pride of problem lions - they had been eating livestock - in the state-owned Kruger National Park was sold to a hunting tour operator for delivery to his clients.

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Tales of horrendous suffering by the animals abound. Some supposed hunters are so inexpert with guns that they take a dozen shots to kill a lion.

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Very sad...poor lions..they don't seem to have a chance.

27 posted on 09/02/2002 1:43:39 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
I just provided the article Fontova referred to.

The Jouberts have done some extraordinary work. For National Geographic they did " Eternal Enemies: Lions And Hyenas" which was possibly the most dramatic nature film I've ever seen.

I'd likely agree with much of what Joubert sees as being problems with African wildlife but would disagree as to what to do about it. Let it be of economic advantage to preserve wildlife and it will happen. Prohibitive legislation just raises the value of poaching and encourages Land Rover Bwanas to obtain easy trophies.
28 posted on 09/02/2002 2:32:38 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Let it be of economic advantage to preserve wildlife and it will happen. Prohibitive legislation just raises the value of poaching and encourages Land Rover Bwanas to obtain easy trophies.

I don't know...sounds like tha argument for legalizing drugs...But...it is legal here to hunt cougars, etc...and they are practically extinct. I can understand your logic...but I don't think it always preserves the species...

29 posted on 09/02/2002 2:57:20 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
But...it is legal here to hunt cougars, etc...and they are practically extinct.

It is legal, yes. But it is not profitable. For lions, we're talking about $30K charged to hunt them, on land that's too arid to profitably farm. For cougars, the land owner gets no meaningful $$$ for giving permission to hunt, yet may incur costs from cougars going after his livestock

That's the difference.

30 posted on 09/02/2002 3:14:26 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Sungirl
I can understand your logic...but I don't think it always preserves the species...

No, I realize the free market is not a panacea for all of human ills or a guarantor of desired outcomes. But the record of free market capitalism versus the control of government wizards is clear enough to me.

31 posted on 09/02/2002 3:19:34 PM PDT by decimon
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