Skip to comments.IRAQ REBUILDS SITES THAT MAKE NERVE-GAS INGREDIENTS
Posted on 08/19/2002 1:35:04 AM PDT by kattracksEdited on 05/26/2004 5:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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|Al-Badr||al Yusufiyah||Aerial bombs, artillery pieces, and machine tool bits|
|Al Hiteen||Al Iskandariyah||Explosives, TNT, propellants, and vehicles|
|Al Naiman||Oqba||Cluster bombs|
|Al Qaqaa||Aerial bombs, TNT, and solid rocket propellants|
|April 7 (Narawan Fuse) Factory||Proximity fuses for 155 mm and cluster munitions|
|Base West World||Samawa||Major armor refitting center|
|Diglia||Zaafarniyah||Software, controllers, and plastic castings|
|Fallujah||Al Muthanna||HMX and RDX explosives|
|PCI||Ethylene oxide for fuel-air explosives|
|Sa'ad 5 (Sa'ad Engineering Complex||122mm howitzers, Ababil rockets, tank optics and mortar sights|
|Sa'ad 13||Salah al Din - Ad Dawr||Defense electronics, radars, and frequency-hopping radios|
|Sa'ad 21||Mosul||Non-ferrous ammunition cases|
|Sa'ad 24||Mosul||Gas masks|
|Sa'ad 38||Fao||Aircraft assembly and manufacturing [under construction]|
|Sawary||Basra||Small naval boats|
|SEHEE heavy engineering complex||Al Dura||Artillery, vehicle parts, and cannon barrels|
|U/I||Al Amil||Liquid nitrogen production|
|U/I||Al Rabiyah||Precision machining|
|U/I||Al Taji||Wheeled APCs [East European license], armor, and artillery|
|U/I||Al-Amen||Tank assembly plant [under Polish and Czech licenses]|
|U/I||Fao||Cluster bombs and fuel-air explosives|
If 'no one knows', why is the Post declaring "IRAQ REBUILDS SITES THAT MAKE NERVE-GAS INGREDIENTS"?
I wish some of the lying journalists in their newsroom were to be leading a platoon, through the snipers of downtown Baghdad, during the war they're working so hard to promote.
You're right, Meenie.
It's the most spied upon place on earth, with a mass of intelligence available from deserters, prisoners, satellites, overflights, SIGINT, you name it. This Administration (or any other) could have taken out Saddam at will. But with the economy tanking, Mr Bush is counting on the Iraqi campaign to keep his poll figures in the green zone. It's a high-risk strategy which I think will be a disaster for his presidency, with the only winners being the Dems, the Euro-Left, and China.
They may very well have to be nuked, no matter what they naysayers do or say.
If we bomb with conventional bombs, this stuff will spread out and go to God knows where. Nuking it, however, would alter it substantially. The heat and power of a nuke would have the best chance of destroying Sarin (or whatever), IMHO.
Well, how about that. Not that I sympathize with So Damn Insane or agree with his choice of weapons, but what the heck do you expect him to do - sit back and do nothing while the world holds a debate about tossing him out?
Lots of reasons.
*I don't want to see Mr Bush hand the Left the issue they've been waiting to coalesce around;
*I don't want to see America throw away its traditional position of being on the side of what's right, just, and good, in this cynical fashion;
*I don't want the US to become an international pariah, and;
*I don't think Iraq is worth one dead American, Brit, or Aussie boy.
Hmmm. Somebody's lying and I believe Saadam before I believe Bush frankly.....
What do we expect of him? He's been given every opportunity to join the civilized world--even the UN condemns him. So why the sympathy for this bad actor?
If he showed clean hands, the world would leave him alone. He's making his own fate everyday. Wouldn't be a problem except that he's got the ability to take so many with him.
I heard a broadcast this week by an investigator familiar with HAARP ..... He said we have ability using sound waves to map every underground facility in Iraq in great detail. We did not have that capability in 1991.
We also have the ability to cook Sadaam and his army like Chistmas geese with Micrwaves and sonic pulse weapons)....
I say let's cook Saddam .... !!! .
That's right! and you won't either until Iraq unless the threat that Saddam poses to the free world is taken out.Get real and step off the fantasy train. The quickest way to lose a war is wait for the first punch then fight. No sir. I am all for an offensive here.
I have no sympathy for him, as I said in my original post. And being that he's unwilling to cooperate with the UN (for what that's worth) and the US, I expect nothing less than what he's now doing. So, if we can show good cause to attack Iraq, the rest of the world should expect nothing less - and they can sit back and watch us annihilate him.
Seems to me Saddam poses a new and difficult problem. The American people don't seek war. The United States has never sought to be an aggressor nation. Good people, with all-in-all a good history to their credit.
Back in the day when we worried about the Soviet Union, we had mutually assured destruction as a deterrent. Reagan managed to dissassemble the SU by hoisting them on their own petards.
Stalin was responsible for the deaths of millions, but even he sent them to death in war or prison. Saddam Hussein, in gassing Kurds, didn't even bother to declare them enemy and give them the chance to side-up. In that case, he's even more sadistically covert than Stalin. We've seen these characters before.
So what to do with this guy? Seems to me it comes down to motive. Why does a nation like Iraq spend money on development of weapons of mass destruction? Because of Iran? National pride? i.e. They can build a bomb and play with the big boys?
No. Chemical and biological weapons are used against civilian populations. The concept of engaging in this kind of warfare is repugnant to the civilized world. Saddam Hussein knows this. It's a world he doesn't want to join. God knows, he's been given his chances.
He has the capability and he has the will to use WMD. He's proven it. So do we sit by and wait for a tyrant and merchant of fear to do something really bad? We'd be playing his game and the game of anyone who follows in his path, while the world suffers with threats. If we allowed ourselves to be lulled into complacency, how many of these monsters could we breed?
As an American, I don't like being put in this position. I don't like war. But I don't want my children and grandchildren living in fear either. So I've taken sides. Let's do God's work and get the job done.
HAARP is a research facility, mainly an antenna farm to probe the ionosphere, including aurural phenomena. There isn't enough power available in Alaska to do much more than warm the ionosphere measurably over the antenna. Some imaging may be possible, but of continent-sized objects. Looking into underground facilities on the other side of the planet is nothing more than hype.
Bush and his administration have been playing loose with the facts. It would be absurd to take what they have to say at face value given other readily available information including testimony by Iraq's head of nuclear weapons programs (who defected and told the story) and UN weapons inspectors who were quite candid.
I just saw this man on TV last week and he insisted that there had been no cessation in Saddam's weapons build-up. That they were inconvenienced by the UN inspector's but in the last four years had made-up for lost time with chemical and biologicals, that Saddam has dirty bombs and was doggedly persuing long-range nuclear weapons capability.
Good one, bozo. Yeah, 'nuke 'em', and make the US an international mad dog.
I wonder if Osama dreamed his attack might be that successful?
It's not the only reason. But you're very naive, if you think that consideration wouldn't be factored into Bush's decisions.
No, they don't. Most Australians have very positive views of the US and we consider ourselves your closest allies. I don't want to see those positive views change. Your post is typical of one narrow American attitude, thankfully a rare one- you've developed a chip on your shoulder, that the rest of the world is ungrateful for past US help and secretly envies the US and wants to see her laid low and humbled. That's all in your own mind. I write as a friend and as an admirer, and would say to this president if I had the chance, 'don't throw away the moral high ground, with this cynical attack on Iraq. You won't get it back.' I'll admit to a personal interest in this, because the Iraq campaign will be a gift to the international Left. Foreign conservatives like me are going to see many years worth of activism torn up by reinvigorated socialism. Matter of fact I think that's why the liberal papers are either quiescent or supportive on the President's Iraq plans. They can't wait to see him push one bridge too far.
What 'first punch', MFH? Sheesh. Iraq can't even secure her own borders. Iraq doesn't even control her own airspace. Iraq was a military punching bag, during Desert Storm.
'First punch', for crying out loud. And from you, known here as a rational type. Fair dinkum, the most distressing aspect of this Iraq idiocy has been to observe that much of our side is just as susceptible to Bush's spin as the soccer moms were for Clinton's.
John, I won't dignify this idiocy with a serious response. I might point out that your posts sound more than usually silly when you're watchingTrue Grit while freeping. Seeya pilgrim.