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Is America Turning Toward Islam And Losing Its Judeo-Christian Heritage?
CNSNews.com ^ | August 20, 2002 | C.T. Rossi

Posted on 08/20/2002 7:14:52 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

It has been said that education does not make fools; it merely develops them. A quick survey of American education in the post-September 11th landscape reveals that the blissful ignorance of the uneducated is being traded for something else - namely, indoctrination.

The most high-profile educational debacle of late is centered at the University of North Carolina. Incoming freshmen at UNC are being required to read "Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations" by Michael Sells. The book is comprised of the 35 earliest suras - the basic division of the Qur'an.

The students are required to read the book and take part in an orientation week, faculty-guided discussion for "a couple of hours" according to UNC Chancellor James Moeser. UNC officials want the 4,200 transfer students and freshmen coming to Chapel Hill to understand something about the September 11th hijackers and their motives.

Last month, three in-coming UNC freshmen brought a lawsuit. The plaintiffs consist of one evangelical Protestant, one Catholic and one Jew, and remain anonymous, being listed as John Doe No. 1, John Doe No. 2 and Jane Roe.

The students' pleas for a restraining order against the orientation program fell on unsympathetic ears last week when U.S. District Judge Carlton Tilley rejected the request. So the Qur'an discussion will proceed.

A less visible but more outlandish "educational" project has been taking place in the Byron Union School District in Byron, California, which has led two families there to file suit.

In the Byron district's plan, students were doing much more than reading the Qur'an. Students were to choose a Muslim name, dress themselves in Muslim garb and, in a simulation of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, they were to give up their lunch one day. Perhaps most offensive, the students took place in a mock jihad game which the students described as "fun."

All this leaves one with the most basic question: Why?

Certainly educational advocates of tolerance and diversity (and all the ulterior agenda that accompany those concepts) are in favor of promoting a culture that is not a Western culture. But in their zealousness to be anti-European, anti-Christian and anti-American, they have set a most dangerous precedent.

Placed into proper perspective, what has happened in almost unfathomable. The hijackers of September 11th were radical adherents to Islam, whose penultimate goal is to see the world come under Islam (the term meaning the very will of God Almighty as set forth in the Qur'an).

If we don't understand the endgame of religious fanatics, we don't understand anything.

There has been a litany of jingoistic statements that the Islamic terrorist forces hate America either because America is prosperous or because America is free or because America is the friend of Israel - and while there is an element of truth in these statements, the unpleasant truth is that America is hated because it is not a Muslim country. America is the land of the infidel, America does not recognize the will of Allah, America does not know the truth set forth in the Qur'an.

Contrary to what some civil libertarians may say, Al Queda doesn't care if Americans loose their "freedoms" because they don't recognize American-style freedoms as such.

They do not claim victory if the U.S. government becomes more intrusive in the lives of its citizens. (The fight against intrusive government is and will remain the preeminent domestic fight for all Americans, regardless of who our external enemies may be.) To these radicals, there is only freedom in following the edicts of the Qur'an and in
subservience to Allah's will.

In the mind of the terrorists of Al Queda, the attacks of September 11th were not only a political and military victory but a spiritual one. While the 19 hijackers carried out their mission with levels of destruction and devastation in excess of the planners' best hopes, it is in the reaction of the American government and American academia that they see a grand and glorious triumph.

Since the day of the attack, the president of the United States has called Islam "peaceful" and "noble." American students now read the Qur'an and mimic Islamic religious practices in state-funded schools -- something not granted to the long-established Judeo-Christian creeds.

The Islamic fundamentalists must see all these signs as a great blessing from Allah. Their God has obviously used the successful jihad of September 11th to open the eyes of Americans to the truth of the Qur'an.

As the American president lauds their religion and American youth now are required to read their holy writ, how can any radical Muslim help but think that Allah is on their side in this new Crusade?

(C.T. Rossi writes on contemporary politics and culture for the Free Congress Foundation.)

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1 posted on 08/20/2002 7:14:52 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen; doug from upland; *Education News
Bump & Ping
2 posted on 08/20/2002 7:23:17 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: madfly; JohnHuang2; firebrand; Cacique; StarFan; Dutchy; rmlew; Coleus; RaceBannon; nutmeg
ping!
3 posted on 08/20/2002 7:23:45 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: knighthawk
ping!
4 posted on 08/20/2002 7:24:33 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Stand Watch Listen
We saw our President turn to Islam immediately after 9-11.

Of course there are those who are going to follow.
5 posted on 08/20/2002 7:24:53 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Very scary. I just do not understand how or why the push to "understand" Islam, practice and study its religion, and even dress as they do. It appears there is an effort to change the view of what 9/11 was - from a horrible attack of war against Americans to merely a religious act of faith to their god.

We are such fools to allow them to get a foothold in our society and to begin their jihad against each of us and our chosen religion and God.

6 posted on 08/20/2002 7:25:43 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ; mhking
The only folks in this country I see becoming Muslim are black. They seem to hate "Whitey" so much they wish to distroy the country from within. Most seem to support Mugabe and his methods as well.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
7 posted on 08/20/2002 7:37:50 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: Stand Watch Listen
It's not yet too late to stop mixing religion with politics; otherwise the "other" religions will demand equal status — and they will win out in the end. Keep religion on religion web sites where it is treated properly. Mixing politics and religion dilutes them both.
8 posted on 08/20/2002 7:38:10 AM PDT by Consort
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To: ClancyJ
Perhaps the push towards Islam is because human beings are "spiritual beings" and were designed to worship. Christianity and Judaism have gotten a bad rap from the liberals who portray them as "mythical and evil". And spirituality abhors a vacuum - thus, when something new and mysterious comes along, the curious will chase after it. The Bible tells about men, in the last days, searching after teachers that will satisfy their itching ears, and holding to a form of religion while denying its power. Perhaps this is what we are witnessing in these conversions.
9 posted on 08/20/2002 7:40:45 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: ClancyJ
Tolerating the intolerable: Michael Medved slams NEA for blaming America, exonerating Islam
10 posted on 08/20/2002 7:41:40 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Stand Watch Listen
that the blissful ignorance of the uneducated is being traded for something else - namely, indoctrination.

"My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge"- Hosea 4:6

11 posted on 08/20/2002 7:43:33 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Khepera
The only folks in this country I see becoming Muslim are black

And most are being recruited while in jail.

12 posted on 08/20/2002 7:46:53 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Jimer
I respectfully disagree. Granted all the abuses in the past in the name of Christianity, still, where ever Christianity has touched a society, it has left it better. And the voices of religious people are needed to ensure that there is a good moral foundation for the work that is done. In so far as religious people speak to those issues, they have a place. Religious speech is not prohibited by the First Ammendment. Granted, there are bizarre voices crying in the wilderness, so to speak, but that shouldn't be the rationale behind silencing them.
13 posted on 08/20/2002 7:48:37 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Texas Mom
I am reminded of how God used Babylon to punish the Israelites. Are we starting to see Americas's Nebuchadnezzar?
14 posted on 08/20/2002 7:50:12 AM PDT by abishai
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To: Texas Mom
Saw an article the other day that said there are a large number of Hispanics converting to Islam, and there is a white liberal element that is also.
15 posted on 08/20/2002 7:50:27 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Texas Mom
That seems to be the trend. The people in this country better wake up!
16 posted on 08/20/2002 7:54:19 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: LiteKeeper
How long do you think those conversions will last? Me thinks it is the thrill of being "different" that pulls people in, but in the end, those who find out what Islam really is will rebel, don't ya think?
17 posted on 08/20/2002 7:54:26 AM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Khepera
The only folks in this country I see becoming Muslim are black.

Becoming Muslim, yes.

Quite a few (white, Muslim) Albanian immigrants in New York City, though. Not unusual to get mugged in the South Bronx by a white guy these days, unlike thirty years ago. Profiling? You bet.

18 posted on 08/20/2002 7:56:03 AM PDT by Salman
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To: ClancyJ
It appears there is an effort to change the view of what 9/11 was - from a horrible attack of war against Americans to merely a religious act of faith to their god.

Or, it's just the opposite. I think their objective is to distance Islam from 9/11, to somehow convince otherwise rational onlookers that Islam is "misunderstood," that the Muslims who claim to practice it are lovers of peace and harmony.

The PC folks wish to marginalize those who practice true, fundamental (i.e. Koran-believing) Islam. Instead, we should all let the facts convince the misled "peace-loving" Muslims to open their eyes, admit their mistake, and denounce Islam as the religion of murder.

19 posted on 08/20/2002 8:03:58 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: LiteKeeper
I saw the same article. I think this is a result of people not knowing what they believe. People who have a firm foundation in the word of God. ( the Bible) aren't taken in but many will be deceived and I think it is because the Christian church has become PC and these people who are being taken in by the religion of our enemies never had a very firm foundation in Christianity.

We are now at a place where it is very politically incorrect to even suggest there is only one way to God although as Christians we know Jesus said, "I AM THE WAY." We are all supposed to be tolerant of others belief that if you're a 'good person' you will make it. It's a lie and goes against everything Jesus taught.

20 posted on 08/20/2002 8:04:37 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: ClancyJ
I understand Islam. It is a deception of Satan.
21 posted on 08/20/2002 8:06:04 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: Khepera
I often wondered why American blacks would embrace Islam, the religion of the Arab slave brokers and traders. I then came to understand that Islam is a religion of revenge. Bingo!
22 posted on 08/20/2002 8:09:14 AM PDT by banjo joe
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To: LiteKeeper
I respectfully disagree....

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Ometecuhtli, Onatha, Opochtli, Oshadagea, Pachacamac, Pachamama, Pah, Paiowa, Pana, Patecatl, Pautiwa, Paynal, Pinga, Qaholom, Qakma, Quetzalcoatl, Quootis-hooi, Ragno, Rukko, Sedna, Selu, Shakuru, Shilup Chito Osh, Shrimp House, Sio Humis, Supai, Talocan, Tarhuhyiawahku, Tawa, Tawiscara, Tecciztecatl, Teoyaomqui, Tepeu, Tepeyollotl, Teteoinnan, Tezcatlipoca, Tieholtsodi, Tirawa atius, Tlacolotl, Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli, Tlaloc, Tlaltecuhtli, Tlauixcalpantecuhtli, Tlazolteotl, Tohil, Tonantzin, Tonatiuh, To'nenile, True Jaguar, Tsentsa, Tsichtinako, Tunkan Ingan, Tzakol, Tzitzimime, Uchtsiti, Ueuecoyotl, Uitzilopochtli, Ukat, Unk, Urcaguary, Viracocha/Huiracocha, Voltan, Wah-Kah-Nee, Wakan-Tanka, White Buffalo Woman, Windigo, Winonah, Wisagatcak, Xaman Ek, Xibalba, Xilonen, Xipe Totec, Xiuhcoatl, Xiuhtecuhtli, Xiuhtecutli, Xmucane, Xochipili, Xochiquetzal, Xocotl, Xolotl, Xpiyacoc, Xpuch and Xtah, Yacatecuhtli, Yaluk, Yebaad, Yeba Ka, Yeitso, Yemanja, Yemaya, Yiacatecuhtli, Yolkai Estsan, Yum Kaax, Zaramama, Zipaltonal, Zotz...We Trust."

Think about it!

23 posted on 08/20/2002 8:20:43 AM PDT by Consort
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To: ClancyJ
There's one VERY good reason to understand more about Islam.

It's called "knowing your enemy". It's why I, back in my USAF days, studied Russian, occaisionally read Russian literature, and kept up on the news (and intelligence data) coming from over there.

Now it's a new war, and a new enemy. The better we understand them, the more culture-specific weaknesses we can detect and exploit against them. . . .

24 posted on 08/20/2002 8:22:51 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: Jimer
What is this garbage?
25 posted on 08/20/2002 8:30:17 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Jimer
What is this garbage?
26 posted on 08/20/2002 8:30:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: banjo joe
I often wondered why American blacks would embrace Islam, the religion of the Arab slave brokers and traders. I then came to understand that Islam is a religion of revenge. Bingo!

Good point. My fear of this trend is that it does appeal to those who hate others, who want an excuse for violence and revenge. Maybe that is the draw - they are looking for a way to live with hate and cover it as only religion.

How great for them - a "religious" group that acts like the KKK.

If this is true - it indeed is of Satan - not God.

27 posted on 08/20/2002 8:33:51 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Salgak
To: Salgak
From: The Knee-Jerk Epistemophobic Freeper Fringe

Subject: Your post

Your post, due to its thoughtful content, is in violation of posting guidelines on FR--namely, thoughtful posts on hot-button issues are strictly forbidden. Acceptable posts on the topic of Islam must call for the extermination of all Muslims in the name of a merciful God.

28 posted on 08/20/2002 8:35:13 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: goodnesswins
How long do you think those conversions will last?

If the lure is hatred and revenge under the cover of religion - it could last for those who have a need to live with hate yet feel good about themselves. Any act would be an act of purification against the infidels - not merely sadism, murder, violence, perversion, revenge because then only other Muslims are worthy of freedom from all this hate. The infidel is a nothing and any revenge is authorized by their "god".

29 posted on 08/20/2002 8:39:14 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Salgak
I just finished reading a book written by a former moslem who converted to Christianity. It was very informative. " Unveiling Islam" . I can't remember the name of the author and my husband is reading the book now and I don't have it there. You can get it at Amazon.com and I recommend it for all Americans, especially Christians.

It's not a book bashing Islam, but one explaining it and compares Islam to Christianity.

Remember when John Ashcroft said Allah wants his followers to shed blood for him and Jesus shed his blood for us. There was such an upraor but that is exactly what the difference is.

30 posted on 08/20/2002 8:39:35 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: banjo joe
That and ignorance!
31 posted on 08/20/2002 8:39:51 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: Salgak; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices
valid point. However, I would argue that in some of these cases given, especially the one with the children in California, it is not to know your enemy as much as to commiserate with your enemy, feel his pain, accept his belief systems as equal to yours, when in fact it is not.
32 posted on 08/20/2002 8:41:00 AM PDT by billbears
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To: banjo joe
I understand Islam. It is a deception of Satan.

Congratulations! You have won the prize for "Most Perceptive Analysis" of Islam.

33 posted on 08/20/2002 8:41:29 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Salgak
The better we understand them, the more culture-specific weaknesses we can detect and exploit against them. . . .

True - but that is not the purpose of the teaching in our schools. Acceptance is the purpose. Acceptance and indoctrination of our young to accept the Muslim takeover of this country.

34 posted on 08/20/2002 8:42:09 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Is America Turning Toward Islam And Losing Its Judeo-Christian Heritage?

NO!

35 posted on 08/20/2002 8:42:36 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Poohbah
Acceptable posts on the topic of Islam must call for the extermination of all Muslims in the name of a merciful God.

Absolutly not. It's the other way around. If I tell you about Jesus I'm not going to kill you if you don't accept him but is a Moslem tells me about Allah and I don't accept him, they have every right ( according to their belief) to kill me. Big difference.

36 posted on 08/20/2002 8:42:52 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Kaslin
What is this garbage?

Those are the names of some "Gods" that other people believe in — just as you believe in your "God". They all probably think that your "God" is garbage, as you think their "God" is.

Again: Think about it.

37 posted on 08/20/2002 8:44:59 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Texas Mom
Madam, my post is technically known as "sarcasm."
38 posted on 08/20/2002 8:45:55 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Madam, my post is technically known as "sarcasm."

Thanks for explaining that. I do feel better. ;););)

39 posted on 08/20/2002 8:47:06 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The only religion that flourishes in the US any more is "if it feels good, do it". Most people in this country are too lazy and selfish to adopt to the strict requirements of islam.
40 posted on 08/20/2002 8:47:21 AM PDT by mombonn
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To: Jimer
Those are the names of some "Gods" that other people believe in — just as you believe in your "God". They all probably think that your "God" is garbage, as you think their "God" is.

God is God. not their god or our god etc. There is One God who died for our sins and his last words on the cross was. " It is finished". meaning, I did what needed to be done.

Mohommad preached a different god and not the one who died for our sins.

41 posted on 08/20/2002 8:50:11 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: mombonn
Most people in this country are too lazy and selfish to adopt to the strict requirements of islam.

Or Christianity. ;)

42 posted on 08/20/2002 8:51:33 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Jimer
There are no gods there is only one God and it isn't Allah
43 posted on 08/20/2002 8:56:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Texas Mom
God is God. not their god or our god etc. There is One God who died for our sins and his last words on the cross was. " It is finished". meaning, I did what needed to be done.

Anyone can have that opinion but not everyone believes it, so let's keep religion out of politics and give it the respect it deserves.

44 posted on 08/20/2002 8:57:44 AM PDT by Consort
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To: billbears
...and what those kids are forced to learn is as much our enemy as any terrorist--for the downfall of America is the plan no matter who brings it on, socialism or Islam!
45 posted on 08/20/2002 8:59:04 AM PDT by Ff--150
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To: ClancyJ
The thing about this SC program is that it is using a book that censors out all the violent Islamic beliefs that our enemies invoke when they justify their attacks on us. It is a deceptive whitewash, so the pretext that this is a legitimate stimulus for open discussion is completely bogus.
46 posted on 08/20/2002 9:03:55 AM PDT by Inkie
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To: Salgak
See my Post #46.
47 posted on 08/20/2002 9:05:21 AM PDT by Inkie
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To: Inkie
The other bogus element of this so-called course is that they do not include any other texts, such as some mentioned in this forum, that provide opposing views. What kind of openness is this? Political correctness is ruining this country and murdering the ability of young people to think critically.
48 posted on 08/20/2002 9:07:29 AM PDT by Inkie
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To: Texas Mom
Or Christianity. ;)

Ain't it a shame? The eternal rewards are worth every minute of work! Actually, the joy of being a Christian right here and now is pretty wonderfulj.

49 posted on 08/20/2002 9:15:22 AM PDT by mombonn
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To: ClancyJ
Agreed. The UNC course is almost certainly for "tolerance". That doesn't change the fact that having some good intel on Islam and how it works isn't a good thing. . .
50 posted on 08/20/2002 9:28:26 AM PDT by Salgak
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