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To: Tailgunner Joe
One of the most common arguments given against parents' teaching their children at home, and in favor of government-controlled schooling, is that, without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers, children cannot be socialized to life in modern America. A typical straw man method: no one said what the author is trying to refute. "Without schooling of the kind provided by our rulers" --- no one refers to schooling as socialization. IN fact, regardless of what kind of schooling a person has, socialization occurs because one does it with others; it is a corporate experience, regardless of its content.

But the question is never asked... why is it of such great importance that many people give it more weight than any other aspect of schooling? No one gives it more weight. The argument is that home schooling does not provide any socialization because it is an individual rather than collective experience.

If we look at the meaning of the word, we find two branches, one of which is that of making a person fit to deal with others, that is, giving him certain inhibitions and a rudimentary stock of manners, so that he will not offend other people. The other meaning of "socialize" is to organize or form in accordance with the principles and aims of socialism. No! Only when specifically referred to the means of production.

Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog. Even if this were true, this is an argument against the current state of public education, not public education as a form.

More importantly, there has never existed a school that had more influence on the child than family. The only reason that the issue even exists is that parents in America have abrogated their parental duties. It is into this parenting vacuum that other ideologies step in. The author should complain why our churches and synagogues are not keeping up with the times to provide effective guidance to children and parents.

This author should read more before he starts writing.

4 posted on 08/20/2002 4:38:09 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Many people oppose home schooling because they are swayed by the argument that it hurts the 'socialization process'. This process is nothing more than peer pressure. Socialization is the reason american children are doing drugs, having pre-marital sex and becoming criminals.

"But everbody else was doing it!"

5 posted on 08/20/2002 4:48:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: TopQuark; toenail
When I went to school (9th grade), an english teacher asked me what I saw as the prime purpose of government ("public") education. I said learning skills like reading, writing, and math and she said no. The prime purpose: "socialization".
7 posted on 08/20/2002 5:08:28 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: TopQuark
Instead of a father passing on to his son the traditions and customs of his country, we have teachers training children in the same way that a master trains his dog.

Even if this were true, this is an argument against the current state of public education, not public education as a form.

It is an argument against the current system and the lack of choice and competition from it. The quality of education will not improve sufficiently as long as the system is in place. The fastest way to change the system right now is to pull children out of public schools.

More importantly, there has never existed a school that had more influence on the child than family. The only reason that the issue even exists is that parents in America have abrogated their parental duties. It is into this parenting vacuum that other ideologies step in. The author should complain why our churches and synagogues are not keeping up with the times to provide effective guidance to children and parents.

Families and churches and synagogues cant expect to win a war against the kind of indoctrination that grinds away in the public school system. There is no reason to surrender your children over to the enemy based on the idea that you can beat them in a war over your own children. You cannot fight the system through children.

28 posted on 08/22/2002 6:28:32 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: TopQuark

You can argue with some of the details but the fact remains:
Government "Education" = Government Propaganda

(I learned to read before starting school, so I was always a step ahead of the BS.)


39 posted on 06/25/2005 4:21:31 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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