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.."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. MEL GIBSON's new ..'Braveheart in 'Nam.. is out in DVD/Video today...
..'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE and YOUNG'.. 7th Cavalry Website ^ | 8/20/2002 | ALOHA RONNIE

Posted on 08/20/2002 5:44:58 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE

NEVER FORGET

.."WE WERE SOLDIERS"..

...the new RANDALL WALLACE ..'Braveheart in 'Nam.. Motion Picture starring MEL GIBSON, SAM ELLIOTT, MADELEINE STOWE, GREG KINNEAR, CHRIS KLEIN, KERI RUSSELL, BARRY PEPPER about the 1st Major Battle of the Vietnam War in the -Valley of Death- that was the IA DRANG of November 1965...

...is out today on ..DVD/Video in Super-Surround Sound that highlights the unforgettably lush Soundtrack Musical Score of NICK GLENNIE-SMITH.

...A major new plus here is the new addition of -10- previously deleted scenes on both the DVD and Video with Commentary by "WE WERE SOLDIERS" Director/Screenwriter RANDALL WALLACE, who won an Academy Award for his 1st .."BRAVEHEART".. Motion Picture Screenplay starring ..MEL GIBSON..!

...In .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. MEL GIBSON is then Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE who led his 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry (Of CUSTER fame) Skytroopers to victory, while surrounded by 2,000 North Vietnamese Communist Regulars, in the 7th Cav's 2nd Battle of the Little Big Horn to open the Vietnam War.

...This outstanding Motion Picture is based on the Classic Non-Fiction Bestselling Book ..'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE and YOUNG'.. Co-Authored by now Lt. Gen. HAL G. MOORE (Ret.) and War Correspondant JOE GALLOWAY who was there.

...It was my distinct honor to carry Radio and drive for Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE (MEL GIBSON) and his S/MAJ BASIL L. PLUMLEY (SAM ELLIOTT) right up to this Battle, where I witnessed all from the close-in Artillery Support Landing Zone Falcon that fired up a constant Wall of Fire around the surrounded Landing Zone of IA DRANG-1965 = THE Difference.

...After my carrying our Hero Dead and Wounded Young Soldiers fresh from Landing Zone X-Ray to helicopters going back to the rear at Pleiku Airstrip ...Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE wrote out his -Letters of Condolances- to their Hero Families waiting for them their Loved Ones to come home or not. As the IA DRANG-1965 S-1 Personnel Clerk ..I typed them up for mailing home ..some directly to Mrs. JULIE MOORE's for her hand delivery to wives.

...All this I will NEVER FORGET.

Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE Guyer / Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 / Landing Zone Falcon / www.lzxray.com

NEVER FORGET


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To: Future Snake Eater
Well the guys that were there that the History Channel dug up for their History vs Hollywood on the movie said they didn't have a problem with the revisions, they thought it made for good drama and didn't detract from the reality of the events. If they don't have a problem I don't have a problem.
41 posted on 08/21/2002 2:41:33 PM PDT by discostu
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
...To see Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE's -Smile of Victory- after his Victory at Landing Zone X-Ray...

...go to the ..'RONNIE GUYER PHOTO COLLECTION'..

...accessed thru the..'IA DRANG - Interest'.. Section, lower right -HOME PAGE- of...

.. www.lzxray.com .. (U.S. 7th Cavalry Website)

Those are some fine photographs, to be sure. To the uninitiated, the pics look like they could've been taken last week; they are that sharp. However, even an observer with an untrained eye can see just how long ago it really was... when they click through Collection #1 and spot that photo of a young, relatively slender, visiting Senator Ted Kennedy! That's some jaunty cover he's wearing, too. Hoo boy, I feel old.

42 posted on 08/21/2002 2:54:14 PM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: scouse
"His Hamlet was great."

Kenneth Branaugh's was better...


43 posted on 08/21/2002 3:02:21 PM PDT by marajade
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I just went down to costco to get the VHS version, seems costco no longer sells VHS...crappola!
44 posted on 08/21/2002 3:43:27 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
...Historians are now saying that our commitment in men and material to support Freedom for 10 years in a then Free South Vietnam...

...forced the Communist Soviet Union to do the same for Communist North Vietnam to the tune of $$Billions$$.

...Only they couldn't afford it and in the end it help BANKRUPT them as we all saw the Berlin Wall and the Communist Soviet Union come tumbling down.

Had the Soviet Union not been so engaged, we might have faced the scenario of Gen. Sir John Hackett in The Third World War: August 1985.

The Black Book of Communism indicates Communism killed 100 million in the last century. From Stalin's pogroms, "famines" and purges to Mao's Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, "famines" and labor camps, to Pol Pot's pyramid of two million skulls and Fidel's 100,000 victims of political prisonerhood, fusilamientos, and drownings, the bloodbath of Communism has proven the greatest of evils.

That American resistance in Vietnam, altogether with the Reagan arms race bankrupted and dissolved the Warsaw Pact is the greatest victory for freedom in the world.

"We Were Soldiers" is simply a single statement in the new, emended history of the Twentieth Century, in which the American fighting man broke the yoke of the Communist slavemaster.

In the Twenty-First Century, the Islamofascist threat and its ChiCom patron will be similarly dismantled, without the interference of Johnson, McNamara, or Kissinger.

45 posted on 08/21/2002 4:15:57 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: JDoutrider; kristinn; Fred Mertz
...It's worth it to get yourself a new DVD Player just to really experience .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. the way it was meant to be experienced.

...WAL-MART has been selling good little APEX Brand Units for under $70. I know because one was given to me for my 60th Birthday specifically for the coming of the ..WWS.. DVD.

...The clarity of DVD is the closest I've seen this side of HDTV. If your TV has a S-VHS socket be sure to also get a little S-VHS cable to hook up to it and your DVD. What a beaut.

...NICK GLENNIE-SMITH's (Formerly of PINK FLOYD and HANS ZIMMER Fame) lush Musical Score and the over 10,000 rounds expended during the filming of ..WWS.. come right out at ya thru a new Paramount Sound System used in DVD for the first time here. I actually found myself wanting to duck.

...At BLOCKBUSTER Video Stores you can rent .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. and the BUY it afterwards at a discount.

...Be sure to watch Director/Screenwriter RANDALL WALLACE's Extra Feature about his filming of .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. on the DVD. It's unforgettable because it's called .."GETTING IT RIGHT" ...and has he ever.


Garry Owen, Sir
46 posted on 08/21/2002 5:19:56 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Fred Mertz; Joe Montana; Ragtime Cowgirl; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Snow Bunny; goldilucky; ...

...See the...

.."WE WERE SOLDIERS"..

...Thread titled:

'JOE GALLOWAY takes us to LZ Falcon in -VIETNAM- Cover Story'

..on..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum

...Then check out his outstanding .."WE WERE SOLDIERS - Eyewitness at LZ X-Ray".. Cover Story in the October 2002 Issue of -VIETNAM- Magazine.

...It's a Great Read.
47 posted on 08/21/2002 5:35:23 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: All
Here's my take on the flick.

I do not have a military background, so please correct me if my complaints stem from ignorance of military ground procedure.

I have to say I was severely disappointed with this movie. I love Mel and his courage to stick with his values in a valueless movie industry. I loved Braveheart (in my top 10) and liked The Patriot although I thought it had script flaws and suffered a bit too much emotional glurge in addition to pulling out too many movie cliches.

But We Were Soldiers goes over the glurge barrier. To be effective at showing the emotional and psych impact of the carnage of combat does not require showing every character's family back home. It almost got to the point that if a character had an emotional fairwell at the beginning, you knew he was probably going to get killed later on. The opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan do not show the families and homefronts of the men being mowed down by German machine guns, but it is much more effectively executed in my opinion.

None of the battle scenes in this movie even approach the effectivess or polish of Ryan, Blackhawk Down, or Apocalypse Now.

I doubled over with disbelief at the scene where the soldiers get off the Hueys and see a scout and start immediately start running after him into unknown territory. I'm not a combat veteran, and this very well may be the way things happened in the Valley of Death, but it seems foolish to charge after someone into enemy territory blindly. That reeks of setup and ambush to me. It turned out to be an ambush and cut off the soldiers on the Knoll. If I could see this coming, I feel that the trained soldiers should have seen it coming, especially since military intel had absolutely no idea how many enemies were in the area.

The other thing I had a problem with was Sam Elliot's character. Yeah, I liked his bad-a** old man characterization, but would a veteran soldier (of all 4 WW2 air drops for that matter) really refuse a rifle to stand by his 1911 alone?

My other problem was the way Mel Gibson's character kept standing up straight in the midst of heavy enemy fire. Even after a bullet scaped his backpack, he still didn't take cover. Is this the way things are done?

And wouldn't Greg Kinnear's character get court marshaled for pulling a gun on an a fellow officer? That scene hit the sour note of unbelievability for me. But hey, I guess that might be the way it really happened.

My last gripe is probably just from my own ignorance, because I have no idea what the real Ia Drang Valley looks like; but didn't it seem that they were filming the battle scenes in rural California? It didn't look like Vietnam to me from the reading and research I've done. I looked up the filming location on the IMDB and indeed I found the filming locations to be all stateside. This seemed to be reminiscent of The Green Berets with John Wayne where they tried to depict Vietnam by filming in Georgia(!). It seems that a big budget movie like this could have afforded to film in the Phillipines (like Apocalypse Now) or Central America (like Predator).

That's my two cents, and I do not mean in any way to disrespect the soldiers who fought in the Ia Drang Valley or in any other combat for that matter. This is just my opinion of the film alone, and I just felt that it didn't live up to cinema's greatest war films.

48 posted on 08/21/2002 6:02:14 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Charles Martel
...A very young Senator TED KENNEDY standing there with me at General HARRY W.O. KINNARD's 1st Cavalry Division Headquarters in Mid-October 1965...

...is wearing an Australian Army Ranger Hat given to him by the Aussie's while on tour investigating the War Refugee Situation in a then Free South Vietnam.

...It was quite a day at AN KHE.
49 posted on 08/21/2002 6:07:51 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: All
One more small gripe. I see that someone here remarked about how great the DVD clarity of the film was. On this I have to seriously disagree. I thought the digital transfer was terrible. It was not sharp IMO and was very grainy, but not in an intentionally grainy way, like Saving Private Ryan's intentionally newsreel grainy look. For an example of this, just check out the scene in Mel Gibson's house where Madeline Stown peeks around the corner at her husband while he's going over the reason's for the French Defeat. You can see pixelization and digital artifacts all around her body.

Check out Apocalypse Now: Redux and Blackhawk Down for excellent and amazingly sharp digital transfers.

50 posted on 08/21/2002 6:07:57 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks, Ron! : )
51 posted on 08/21/2002 7:21:27 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: GunRunner; Joy Angela; Snow Bunny; Ragtime Cowgirl; generalissimoduane; Carl/NewsMax; ...
...ALOHA Gun Runner.

...Thank You, at least for using your head and sharing your feelings with us about the first combat film ever made that actually HEALS Veterans, as per the Veterans themselves. It works for them.

...May I share what my experiences
were in the Central Highlands of a then Free South Vietnam of 1965 in answering your questions...?

...First, this 'Braveheart in 'Nam Motion Picture correctly depicts the best way for US to win at war now ..by taking care of each other on the battlefield and at home in a new -Time of War- with an Enemy that is now Within BIG TIME.

...The opening of .."SAVING PRIVATE RYAN".. shows combat carnage in staccato fashion. ..WWS.. opens with combat carnage that flows in the MING YANG Pass that I also passed thru 11 years later after our Victory in the IA DRANG Valley in November 1965. ...Unrelenting combat is shown as it was in .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. while not forgetting about our families back home who were also hard hit as depicted. A great Example for the now...?

...The Lost Platoon's Commanding Officer 2/Lt. HENRY HERRICK was the one who DID unwisely lead his men up that enemy infested Chu Phong Mountain chasing one NVA Enemy Soldier right after arriving at LZ (Landing Zone) X-Ray.

...Lt. HERRICK's men paid the Price for what he did, but some now say that our having an isolated American stand outside the North East Flank of LZ X-Ray may have unwittingly been providential in the long run as we were never overrun there in great measure to the unrelenting incoming Artillery required from my Landing Zone Falcon homing in on two seperate targets, bringing confusion to the Enemy.

...I will NEVER FORGET having to personally type up Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE's -Letter of Condolance- to Lt. HENRY HERRICK's Parents after the Battle.

...SAM ELLIOTT's S/Maj BASIL L. PLUMLEY Characterization is true to life. This -Lion in Winter- who parachuted behind enemy lines in Nazi-Occupied France the night before the Invasion of Normandy, fought at the last Major Battle of the Korean War at PORK CHOP HILL and then at the 1st Major Battle of the Vietnam War in the IA DRANG VALLEY ...carried a .45 Pistol only. I know, because I personally cleaned it for him.

...MEL GIBSON's Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE standing in the middle of Landing Zone X-Ray at the worst of times to survey his BAttle situation ...actually happened from behind the tall Ant Hill you see in the Film. Again, its RANDALL WALLACE's way of graphically telling us MOORE's saving Leadership story when the 7th Cavalry needed every offensive aircraft in Vietnam at its disposal in his "BROKEN ARROW" Call.

...GREG KINNEAR's Major BRUCE CRANDALL incident at the rear was actually more fierce than depicted in ..WWS.. as a result of his righteous indignation. Fierce Combat does that, especially when the Hueys from the rear refused to come in to the rescue like he and his Congressional Medal of Honor Wingman ED "TOO TALL" FREEMAN did so unselfishly at LZ X-Ray.

...Actually the terrain of the IA DRANG Valley is VERY similiar to the California terrain shown in ..WWS.. at Fort Hunter-Ligget. Almost a perfect match. Highlands are different then the Lowlands in South Vietnam.

...As for any ignorance you express having about the IA DRANG Battle, and everything surrounding it, may I suggest you get a hold of a copy of the book the movie was based on by now Lt. Gen. HAL G. MOORE (Ret.) and JOE GALLOWAY titled:

'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE and YOUNG" ..?

...It's now availble in small paperback with MEL GIBSON on the cover and in larger paperback and hardcover versions with IA DRANG/World Trade Center Lifesaving Hero Lt. RICK RESCORLA on the cover.

Thank you, again, for your keen interest.

GARRY OWEN, Sir

Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE Guyer
MOORE/PLUMLEY's Radioman/Driver/Orderly Assistant right up to the Battle of IA DRANG-1965
http://www.lzxray.com
52 posted on 08/21/2002 7:46:55 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: GunRunner
...DVD with a S-VHS cable linked to your TV brings the clearest TV Screen I've ever seen outside of High Definition TV.

...Whatever problems you are having seeing .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. or its Message...

...the fault's not with the DVD itself, believe me.

...What I'm seeing at home beats the theater version of .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. weapons down.
53 posted on 08/21/2002 7:53:45 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Ronnie, my husband and I saw this film at the theatre and we waited anxiously for the 20th to buy the DVD. Of course, we immediately watched it again. Very few movies cause me to cry, (dry-eyed for Private Ryan) but this is one that I dried tears, both times we saw it. I am sure this will be my reaction each time I see it in the future. I think it is because it was in my time and I knew so many men who survived this trauma. My husband was Army, 1st Calvary, but did not go to Nam.

Thank you and all of the others who bravely went thousands of miles from home and fought honorably.

TC

54 posted on 08/21/2002 8:13:52 PM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: I_be_tc
...ALOHA TC...

...I've been kinda walking around in a daze since last night's DVD stunning viewing of .."WE WERE SOLDIERS".. and this morning's viewings of the Special DVD Features. Just takes you back, takes you back.

...But since Happiness is in the appreciation of what who have, and not in what you don't...

...I'm just fine. I was so Blessed to have been sent where I was sent, saw what I saw and brought here to share it all. So Blessed.
55 posted on 08/21/2002 8:32:26 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Wow. Thank you for your insight, and for clearing up my problems. Once again, I hope that I didn't offend any of our great Americans who fought in the Valley of Death or Vietnam (or any war for that matter). And if the events depicted in the film are the real McCoy, more power to them for keeping it genuine. I had just heard that there was some artistic license in the film, and I thought some of the things I mentioned (such as Bruce Crandall's gun incident, and Hal Moore's refusal to take cover) might be a Hollywood invention. I was judging strictly as a film critic and fan of war films.

The convenient thing about film is that it provides us civilians with a way to experience the carnage of war without risk. And since seeing Private Ryan and Apocalypse Now, my views on the reality of war have changed dramatically. The pledges in my fraternity used to interview older brothers as part of initiation, and one of the things they used to ask me was, "If you could go back to any time in history, where would you go?" I always replied that I would like to have stormed the beach at Normandy so I could kill some Nazis and be part of the largest invasion force in history. After watching the Normandy scene in SPR, I felt like a complete idiot. Having never been in combat, it really opened my eyes to how horrid it is. Yeah, I knew getting shot is bad (duh) and that a lot of your buddies died, and it was hard and that veterans always deserved respect. But hey, in combat, you're fighting for your country, right? Any doubts or pain would be rectified by the greater good, right? And if you died it was your time, right? Boy was I stupid. I guess I had no point of reference for something so unbelivably horrid.

I guess this sounds pretty juvenile and stupid to combat vets, but there's only so much a 19 year old with no military experience can grasp (I was 19 when it came out). I feel no embarrasment in saying these things because I think it only heightens the sacrifice endured and the respect earned by veterans. But I feel a little shame because a lot of the boys on Omaha were only 17 or 18. They grew up long before I did.

I didn't join the military, but always thought that I would go if called, without question. Those scenes gave me a glimpse into what a real sacrifice it is. I guess I never envisioned the blood, exploding chests, dismembered limbs, heads blowing off, guts hanging out, men crying for their mothers after they'd been cut in half, etc. SPR really woke me up. The Longest Day it wasn't.

My points had no intention of disagreeing with the VALUES of the film, which were spectacularly rendered (it brought to mind The Rules of Engagement, another great Hollywood PRO-military movie), and maybe I should have been more clear about that.

With the insights given on WWS, I will definitely enjoy it more on the next viewing. I also fully intend to read the book version (after I'm done with The 6 Day War by Michael Oren, killer read).

56 posted on 08/21/2002 8:37:36 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: I_be_tc
NEVER FORGET

...For more on my own personal Vietnam Journey please see my Bookmarked Freerepublic.com Article Thread titled:

'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE...& YOUNG'...4 FREEDOM

NEVER FORGET
57 posted on 08/21/2002 8:40:14 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: goldstategop
I thought he was great in "Tim." Tim was a very moving movie.
58 posted on 08/21/2002 8:47:12 PM PDT by marajade
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I wasn't speaking on the message here, only the DVD transfer. There's a great amount of skill involved in transferring film to digital for DVD. Some films are good, some are bad.

Examples of good, X-Men, Se7en, any of the Bond DVD's, Blackhawk Down, Terminator 2, Fellowship of the Ring (the best I've ever seen, by the way), Braveheart, and A Beautiful Mind. Bad ones would be Maverick (the worst I've seen on a modern movie), any of the Batman movies, and most movies made before 1970.

Some studios are better than others. Warner Bros. DVD's are the worst on the market, barring The Matrix, and New Line Cinema are the best (IMO).

I just feel that the transfer on WWS could have used a little more work.

And yes, any DVD beats the theater version by a longshot.

59 posted on 08/21/2002 8:48:18 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: discostu
What were the differences? My husband almost choked when he saw the deleted scene with Robert McNamara...
60 posted on 08/21/2002 8:48:31 PM PDT by marajade
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