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BlackHawk Down Why Liberals should not be CIC
me | 8/22/02 | Freethinkingman

Posted on 08/22/2002 6:16:23 PM PDT by freethinkingman

After watching BlackHawk Down over the weekend I feel the need to post this essay.

I am going to attempt to relate how deeply I felt during and after the film , feelings of pride, hatred, anger, and much sorrow.

First lets cover the Anger:

Toward the end of the “build-up” portion of the movie you know where they introduce all of the characters and place them in a time and place, The General briefs the men on the mission. A daylight mission in which Blackhawks and Little Birds would be used to capture some of Aidid’s top lieutenants and bring them back to the base via Humvees.

It is at this point that the General mentions that he had requested Armored troop vehicles and Tanks but that Washington had turned him down. This of course gives all Freepers cause to be angry because we know exactly who is responsible for that request being denied it is of course Bubba. Let us examine why this would happen.

First off, Liberals are not suited to be Commander n Chief. They are more suited to running the State Dept. where diplomacy is king. Bill Clinton’s picks for top cabinet positions in his administration, all libs, were all there to advise him that by sending in more armor or beefing up the initial deployment of Special Ops would be seen to be too provocative and might send the wrong message. Huh? What could be wrong about; “I have a lot of firepower and I am not afraid to use it”!

Liberals can say “Well it was George Bush that got us into Somalia”. That may be true but if I am not mistaken the original deployment of 20,000 Marines were removed by the Clintonistas and after that is when the UN forces started coming under fire. Then it of course was Clinton that sent in Special Forces to try to take Aidid out.

Number one rule, of the Powell Doctrine: If you are going to go in, do it with overwhelming force. Why was every aspect of this new deployment in Somalia controlled by Washington and not the commanders in the field? I’ll tell you why, Liberals think they are smarter than the commanders in the filed, that’s why.

Then the movie progresses to the Mission portion. This is where pride, hatred and sorrow all come flowing from my soul, I truly can not remember ever having felt all of these different emotions in such proximity to one another.
 
 

The Pride&Sorrow:

I was filled with such a sense of "Proud to be an American" during the scene in which the two Army Ranger Snipers asked to be inserted to form a perimeter for the rescue of the pilots from the second downed Blackhawk. They fought their way to the crash site and fought against all odds to save the lives of the pilots, indeed were responsible for saving the life of Michael Durant.
 

I had to go to the army web to look up the citations of those that received the medal of honor posthumously:

I have posted the citations as my words cannot do better in describing the events that took place.

The President of the United States
                                             in the name of The Congress
                                            takes pleasure in presenting the
                                                 Medal of Honor
                                                       to

                                               GORDON, GARY I.
                 Rank and organization: Master Sergeant, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3
                 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Entered service at: Lincoln,
                 Maine    Born: Lincoln, Maine.
 

                 Citation:

                 Master Sergeant Gordon, United States Army, distinguished himself by
                 actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while
                 serving as Sniper Team Leader, United States Army Special Operations
                 Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Master
                 Sergeant Gordon's sniper team provided precision fires from the lead
                 helicopter during an assault and at two helicopter crash sites, while
                 subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade
                 fires. When Master Sergeant Gordon learned that ground forces were
                 not immediately available to secure the second crash site, he and
                 another sniper unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the
                 four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the
                 growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After his
                 third request to be inserted, Master Sergeant Gordon received
                 permission to perform his volunteer mission. When debris and enemy
                 ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Master
                 Sergeant Gordon was inserted one hundred meters south of the crash
                 site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Master Sergeant
                 Gordon and his fellow sniper, while under intense small arms fire from
                 the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and
                 shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Master Sergeant
                 Gordon immediately pulled the pilot and the other crew members from
                 the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow
                 sniper in the most vulnerable position. Master Sergeant Gordon used
                 his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of
                 attackers until he depleted his ammunition. Master Sergeant Gordon
                 then went back to the wreckage, recovering some of the crew's weapons
                 and ammunition. Despite the fact that he was critically low on
                 ammunition, he provided some of it to the dazed pilot and then radioed
                 for help. Master Sergeant Gordon continued to travel the perimeter,
                 protecting the downed crew. After his team member was fatally wounded
                 and his own rifle ammunition exhausted, Master Sergeant Gordon
                 returned to the wreckage, recovering a rifle with the last five rounds of
                 ammunition and gave it to the pilot with the words, "good luck." Then,
                 armed only with his pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight
                 until he was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Master
                 Sergeant Gordon's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in
                 keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great
                 credit upon, his unit and the United States Army.
 

The President of the United States
                                             in the name of The Congress
                                            takes pleasure in presenting the
                                                 Medal of Honor
                                                       to

                                           SHUGHART, RANDALL D.
                 Rank and organization: Sergeant First Class, U.S. Army. Place and
                 date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Entered service at:
                 Newville, Pennsylvania.   Born: Newville, Pennsylvania.

The citation portion is virtually identical to above citiation.

There were of course many other acts of heroism in the movie, indeed too many to recount in this post.
 
 

I also found the following list of those who died and the medals they recieved.

Killed on Oct. 3 and 4, 1993 With posthumous awards.
 

Sgt. First Class Randy Shughart, a Commando soldier killed defending the crew of
Super 64, the Medal of Honor.
 

Master Sgt. Gary Gordon, a Commando soldier who was killed after jumping in to
defend the crew of Super 64, the Medal of Honor.
 

CWO Cliff Wolcott, pilot of Super 61, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star and
the Air Medal with Valor Device.
 

CWO Donovan Briley, copilot of Super 61, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star and Air
Medal with Valor Device.

Staff Sgt. William Cleveland, a crew chief on Super 64, Silver Star, Bronze Star and Air Medal
with Valor Device.

Staff Sgt. Thomas Field, a crew chief on Super 64, Silver Star, Bronze Star and Air Medal with
Valor Device.

CWO Raymond Frank, copilot of Super 64, Silver Star, Air Medal with Valor Device.

Staff Sgt. Daniel Busch, who crashed on Super 61 and was killed defending the downed crew,
the Silver Star.

Sgt. Cornell Houston, who was killed fighting on the rescue convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor
Device.

Sgt. Casey Joyce, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor
Device.

Spec. James Cavaco, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Cpl. Jamie Smith, who bled to death with the pinned-down force around crash site one,
the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Sgt. Dominick Pilla, who was killed on the convoy rescuing Pfc. Todd Blackburn, the
Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Pfc. Richard Kowalewski, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with
Valor Device.

Sgt. Lorenzo Ruiz, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor
Device.

Sgt. First Class Earl Fillmore, Commando killed moving to the first crash site.

Pfc. James Martin, who was killed on the rescue convoy.

Master Sgt. Tim "Griz" Martin a Commando killed on the Lost Convoy
 

I am unsure as to the completeness of the above list, just one of the tidbits I found researching for this post.

I would also like to take a minute to talk more aboout current events and how they may be better shaped by
following the lessons of history.
When and if we go into Bagdahd, notice I did not say Iraq. I for one believe we are already in northern Iraq.
We had better take with us some lessons. Just a few observations:
One, come in with overwehlming force. Not just what seems to be enough to do the job, and have the
reinforcements well at the ready.
Two, Give the field commander everything neccessarry to do the job, ie: tanks, armored vehicles, etc...
Three, go in at night, I think this one could have prevented any Blackhawks from being shot down. We have
the advantage in superior technology lets use it!!
Four, if things look really bad in downtown Baghdad, just surround it and shut off the water, sooner or later
the starving, thirsty troops will surrender.
Five, goes along with four above, seperate Saddam from his oil and his freinds will soon desert him.
 
 


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KEYWORDS: blackhawk; clinton; heroes; somalia
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I just had to put some of this down, let me know how you guys feel about it.
1 posted on 08/22/2002 6:16:23 PM PDT by freethinkingman
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To: freethinkingman
This is unreal. My wife and I just watched "Blackhawk Down" tonight for the first time from Blockbuster. I have never seen such realistic combat scenes (including "Saving Pvt. Ryan"}. We all know Klinton is a traitor and a coward. Those men should never have been left in an exposed position like that. We all know that. May he rot in hell because of their demise. These were real soldiers, heros. For his pasty white ass? I vomit.
2 posted on 08/22/2002 6:26:09 PM PDT by jslade
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To: jslade; freethinkingman
Either of you seen "We Were Soldiers"?

It is said to be the most realistic war movie ever...

3 posted on 08/22/2002 6:28:20 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: freethinkingman
I suggest reading the book too. The movie was extremely accurate, but necesarrily limited in depth. The book goes into more detail about the politics of the situation, and the roles of Madeline Albright and Butrous Butrous Ghali. It's just as disgusting as the tactical errors involved.
4 posted on 08/22/2002 6:28:41 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: freethinkingman
My husband and I rented this movie a couple of weeks ago and we also went through the same emotions you felt. I was just drained after it was over. To think our men went through this Hell and who was to blame. It is a very emotional movie because you know it really happened.

5 posted on 08/22/2002 6:29:15 PM PDT by sibb1213
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I have not seen that one yet. It is on my list though..
6 posted on 08/22/2002 6:33:34 PM PDT by freethinkingman
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To: freethinkingman
I can't help it. I've got more so say. For this traitorist POS to blame WHWB for Samalia, I can't wait for his to drop dead so I can p*ss on his grave. This place is a hell hole that doesn't require the risk of any American troops. Let them starve. They are, like most of Africa nothing more than rabbits. He represents the very worst of what this country can produce. He and his c*nt wife sickens me. I'm on a rant.....forgive me.
7 posted on 08/22/2002 6:35:32 PM PDT by jslade
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To: freethinkingman
It came out on dvd two days ago. See it soon. (surround sound is best)
8 posted on 08/22/2002 6:40:40 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: freethinkingman
The author of the book "Black Hawk Down," Mark Bowden, is less inclined to assign blame to the Clinton administration for the lack of firepower employed in the Mogadishu raid, instead casting those decisions as reasoned military decisions made by the commander of Task Force Ranger, General William Garrison:

"Garrison himself felt the [AC-130] gunship was not only unnecessary, but likely to be a less effective firing platform over a densely populated urban neighborhood than the AH-6 Little Birds." (p. 416); and

"Garrison's task force never requested or envisioned armor as part of its force package. Its tactics were to strike with surprise and speed, and up to October 3, those tactics worked. It is fair for military experts to criticize Garrison's judgement in this, but hardly fair to accuse[Secretary of Defense] Aspin of turning down a request the task force never made." (p. 416)

9 posted on 08/22/2002 6:44:37 PM PDT by Ed_in_LA
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To: freethinkingman
Thank you- You said what I have felt so beautifully- I have never been so moved by a film. Pride and disgust, anxiety and dread. I was shaking when it was over.
Now, if you REALLY want to feel their pain- watch the History Channel program "The Real Story of Blackhawk Down." It has a lot of the same actual footage, but the interviews with some of the soldiers who lived through it was the most revealing. Every one had left the service- not because they were afraid after the debacle, but because they were ashamed of the leadership which made their sacrifice meaningless. Every one said they would go back RIGHT NOW to finish the job, and retrieve their comrades remains. Being forbidden to do so broke their hearts- and they blamed Clinton by name- looking straight into the camera. They are incredibly brave, and honorable young men- you will be so proud of their humility and integrity. Don't miss it.
GG
10 posted on 08/22/2002 6:48:16 PM PDT by Goldwater Girl
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To: freethinkingman
As X U.S. Army officer, I have not gone to rent the movie, even though I do have $3.00. I have read and heard so much about what occured there that I am PO'd now, and I am sure if I watch the movie my PO'd status would quickly elevate to a much higher level. My hat is off to the father of one of the lost that did look William Jefferson Clinton in the eyes and through his own words placed the responsability, for his son's gallant death, directly on William Jefferson Clinton's shoulders. A place that it does belong.
11 posted on 08/22/2002 6:53:38 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: freethinkingman
Lump in my throat just reading the list...

I hope you rot in Hell Clinton, I pray that you do, I really do...

God Speed to a fine group of soldiers
TMMT
12 posted on 08/22/2002 7:00:29 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: jslade
Forgiven, although William Jefferson Clinton will never be.
13 posted on 08/22/2002 7:03:49 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: freethinkingman
You are right, we have been better served by a strong conservative Commander-In-Chief like Ronald Reagan!

To mind comes the wonderfully planned and executed military mission in Lebanon. Heck, there we only lost 200plus Marines. The planning of this mission was breathtaking-- limited ammo, and in some cases no ammo. But wait, we also had low land placement of marine personal at the airport and without any vehicle barriers at the entrance of base. This plan was genius.

What a great example of a great conservative CIC. MAN-YOU ARE RIGHT!

14 posted on 08/22/2002 7:03:54 PM PDT by ExtraSafe21
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To: freethinkingman
CLINTON, AND BOOTLICKS AT THE MILITARY HOSPITAL.

"Others (wounded Rangers) were cool, even hostile. Sgt. John Burns, 26, of Philadelphia, whose leg was shattered, balked at an offer to have his picture taken with the president. "I don't want to end up in some political propaganda picture - you know, 'President Visits Wounded Soldier,' " Burns said while Clinton was in his room.

The White House refused ( not because they didn't have any, but because the reception of the soldiers to Buba was so hostile )to make public photographs or television footage of that meeting or a later Oval Office meeting with the wounded. ( notice that they did have the cammeras going just in case they could edit something) Clinton and top administration officials responsible for Somalia have yet to be publicly shown with the survivors of the fiercest firefight in terms of American casualties since Vietnam. Some administration officials say withholding the pictures is part of a damage-limitation strategy devised by David Gergen, Clinton's adviser.( So dead or busted up, the men were just props to Gergen. )

"They [White House officials] hope people will forget about Somalia," said a Pentagon official who objected to a plan. He favored giving the wounded the sort of White House South Lawn ceremony held in June when Clinton praised and personally decorated Marines who were first sent to Somalia by President George Bush last Dec. 6.

While Gergen refused to comment, another White House official said Clinton wanted to avoid the appearance of exploiting the Somalia veterans."( Even though he was. )

15 posted on 08/22/2002 7:08:15 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
Rest of article here.
16 posted on 08/22/2002 7:12:08 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: ExtraSafe21
I just hope you can still breathe H2O with your head in the sand, of course it might be up a body orfice... If you can it just might smell like a cigar. (Sorry to all the Cigar Smokin Freepers).. Some times there is no guilt by association, of course some times there is...
17 posted on 08/22/2002 7:16:51 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Goldwater Girl
Being forbidden to do so broke their hearts--and they blamed Clinton by name--looking straight into the camera.

I can't tell you how proud it makes me feel that you posted this. All BJC could say was that Somalia was the lowest moment in his presidency (as usual, it was all about him).

18 posted on 08/22/2002 7:19:14 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: freethinkingman
Six: Make damned sure a conservative is CIC.

A well done project FTM. Haven't yet seen BHD, and don't know if I'm ready to see it yet. The whole mess pissed me off at the time it happened; I grew pissed off even further when Clinton didn't get the criticism he deserved for his sordid role in the action (damned "journalists").

19 posted on 08/22/2002 7:19:33 PM PDT by yooper
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To: Ed_in_LA
Les Aspin was a draft dodging, all knowing policy wonk that couldn't pick his nose if his life depended upon it. A fantastic combination of halo, hubris and delusion, tempered with life long stupidity. It was the best the dems could get at the time. Afterwards came Cohen, bad poet and ersatz RINO.
20 posted on 08/22/2002 7:19:37 PM PDT by Leisler
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