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Posted on 08/23/2002 9:19:47 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield

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A mound of rubble and an empty hole look sort of surreal and sterile on television. People need to see the human toll this took, not just the damaged real estate.
1 posted on 08/23/2002 9:19:47 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Luckily, our local cable system picked up the BBC for a week or so around 9/11 - so I saw many of the photos that our media will not show now.

To me, the fact that the photos are being supressed for "racial, cultural" reasons tells me the entire "War on Terror" is a sham.

2 posted on 08/23/2002 9:26:56 AM PDT by FreeTally
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As someone that lives 1/2 mile north of what was the World Trade Center in NYC, I think Fox News is being very responsible. We all know what happened on 9/11/01 there is no need to see those planes slam into what was the World Trade Center over and over and over like we did during the first month after the atrocity.

I applaud Fox News for its restraint.

4 posted on 08/23/2002 9:28:53 AM PDT by toupsie
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I agree, no matter how you couch it,censorship is censorship and only helps those that wish to subjugate the masses through imposed ignorance...
5 posted on 08/23/2002 9:29:45 AM PDT by trebb
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To: toupsie
no matter how you couch it,censorship is censorship and only helps those that wish to subjugate the masses through imposed ignorance...
6 posted on 08/23/2002 9:30:41 AM PDT by trebb
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To: toupsie
As someone that lives 1/2 mile north of what was the World Trade Center in NYC, I think Fox News is being very responsible. We all know what happened on 9/11/01 there is no need to see those planes slam into what was the World Trade Center over and over and over like we did during the first month after the atrocity.

Keep in mind that not everybody lives .5 mile away from Ground Zero.

7 posted on 08/23/2002 9:34:34 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: trebb
A channel chosing what to and not to broadcast isn't censorship. The government TELLING the channel what to and not to broadcast is censorship.

Every news station makes a couple of these kinds of decisions every minute. They don't just go out in the world with cameras running and broadcast straight form the camera. They discuss, they edit, they pick angles, they decide somethings are just too much. Since there are 3 24/7 networks now you can chose the network who's decisions most closely fit those you would make. But don't confuse editorial control, something the guys that pay the bills have earned the right to do, with censorship. That word is getting WAY over used in the last few years and it's time to remember what it really means: government control. Unless the US government is telling Fox not to show this stuff, it's not censorship, it's editorial control.
8 posted on 08/23/2002 9:36:49 AM PDT by discostu
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To: discostu
It's not censorship, it is bad editorial policy.
9 posted on 08/23/2002 9:41:43 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Earlier this AM on Fox and Friends , Steve Doocy stated that on 9/11, Fox will be showing the planes hitting the buildings (WTC) at the exact time that the events occurred--that will be the only time that day that the very emotional shots will be shown. Nothing was said re: not showing the results of the dramatic impact, the rubble, the walking wounded, the devastated looks of fear.

For many people, viewing the horror of the initial impact seems to elicit the worst of memories and revulsion.

While I agree people must be reminded of the horror, the death, and destruction that occurred there is a point where showing the times of impact over and over again will turn people off. There is a fine line between remembering this horrific event and getting hit on the head with it, ad infinitum,to the point that it no longer serves as the reminder of what and why we, as a country, must pursue those responsible, individuals or countries, and get rid of all of them.

The Tarheel

10 posted on 08/23/2002 9:43:29 AM PDT by Tarheel
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Does anyone have an email address for Roger Ailes?
11 posted on 08/23/2002 9:44:40 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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Maybe. I've got a friend that was interning at the hospital nearest WTC (sorry, name escapes me). I've heard some pretty gruesome accounts of Ground Zero. I've also heard and read accounts that tell me a lot of that debris flying through the air when the planes hit was peole parts. IMHO I can fully remember the horrors of the day and stay committed to the fight against terrorism WITHOUT barfing all over my TV. Others might not and are more than welcome to seek more gruesome coverage. It's an editorial decision, only the ratings will tell us for sure if it's good or bad.
12 posted on 08/23/2002 9:47:26 AM PDT by discostu
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To: discostu
IMHO I can fully remember the horrors of the day and stay committed to the fight against terrorism WITHOUT barfing all over my TV.

That would be preaching to the choir, anyway, as it would for most people who read this forum. I know more than a few people who simply refuse to acknowledge the importance of what actually happened on 9/11, in one fashion or another. I don't know if more footage would have any impact, but it would probably do more than the syrupy tributes they mock.

It's all about ratings, and what they think most people will want to tune in to. I think that if they get enough feedback then they'll program accordingly. If I'm pissing into the wind, well, then at least I got something off of my chest :)

13 posted on 08/23/2002 9:58:23 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I can't say that I really blame people for living in denial on this, it took me a month to finally stop thinking "this can't be real". I think those in denial will avoid the footage anyway, given the coverage I've heard about I think that means they won't be watching any TV at all that week (could be a good thing), but they'll find a way.

I'm all for getting stuff off your chest. I won't be writing since I think I'd make a very similar decision, but I ain't gonna CENSOR you ;-) write away.
14 posted on 08/23/2002 10:04:17 AM PDT by discostu
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I have tried, with no success, to find a copy of some kind (VCR tape, video CD, computer video file) of Fox's news feed that morning. I don't mean the "as it happened" montage that they put together a week or so after the 9/11, but an un-cut tape of the actual coverage for the first two or three hours. Hell, I'd even settle for MSNBC or even (gulp) CNN, if I could get the whole thing un-cut. I want to get this before the networks pull any and all fottage of the attack, especially since some networks have already decided not to play that footage anymore.

I did find a site that had parts of the live feeds from ABC and BBC, but they are streaming-only, and even with a cable modem, I have never been able to view more than a minute or two before the connection gets too choppy.

I sent an email to Fox several months ago asking about my request, but they never replied to any of my emails.
15 posted on 08/23/2002 10:14:48 AM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I have been quite upset with the sanitizing of the 9-11 tragedy. People need to see, to be reminded what was done. Graphic, totally gory footage is not necessary, but it is SO important that people are reminded of the pain this caused.

So many issues, like abortion, crimes, etc, survive merely because the powers that be don't want to offend people's sensabilities. If the pain wasn't sanitized away people would be outraged on so many more things. I am reminded of a line Merlin said in the movie Excalibur, "For it is the doom of men that they forget."

By the way, CNNFN had an excellent, unsanitized version "America Remembers" this week. The 2nd half is being broadcast this weekend. I hope it is as good as the first.

16 posted on 08/23/2002 10:15:54 AM PDT by I still care
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To: Orangedog
Try this: http://tvnews3.televisionarchive.org/tvarchive/html/
17 posted on 08/23/2002 10:18:47 AM PDT by I still care
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To: I still care
Excellent response. The US is mired in such a godawful anger-suppression mindset that the most heinous of crimes (I'm thinking the Wichita murders here) go unremarked outside their immediate localities, just to protect the sensibilities of people who might be outraged otherwise. It is the Big Lie of the century. The effect is to neuter the response to decaying civilization.
18 posted on 08/23/2002 10:32:52 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: Britton J Wingfield
The repeated airings are desensitizing many of the viewers. The tragic event is becoming less tragic in their minds as a result. I think Fox is doing the right thing because of this.

I also think that there are certain broadcasters and viewers who get the same charge out of this video that people get there's a wreck at a NASCAR event. I, for one, don't want any more of this.
19 posted on 08/23/2002 11:07:17 AM PDT by sharktrager
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Judging from some of the comments by FNC news readers, they are following CNN into the rat hole of democrat politics.
20 posted on 08/23/2002 11:15:37 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: FreeTally
I say show it like it was that day. Too much editing of everything on TV. When watching news events, such as reruns of 9/11 they are even editing curse words in the crowd. Are we editing all our programs for 2 year olds? We know who did this to us on 9/11. Quit the bull.
21 posted on 08/23/2002 11:25:27 AM PDT by 2rightsleftcoast
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To: I still care
decent archives, but you should be aware that the preponderance of essays at that site "analyzing" the coverage are from FAIR - "F*ck America Israel Repeatedly."
22 posted on 08/23/2002 12:07:43 PM PDT by Yehuda
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I say show it like it was that day.

Agreed. I think they shoud just pop in the tape from last 9/11 and let it run all day. Let's see it as it was.

23 posted on 08/23/2002 12:14:52 PM PDT by southern rock
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I say show it like it was that day.

Agreed. I think they shoud just pop in the tape from last 9/11 and let it run all day. Let's see it as it was.

24 posted on 08/23/2002 12:14:59 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Britton J Wingfield
People who object to repeated showings of the Attacks (which apparently are not going to happen, anyway) should turn OFF their TV's and allow the rest of us to view the pictures.

It's a stinkin' crime on part of the TV execs to have withheld and censored the videos especially so quickly after the attacks last year.

It's only 3000 fatalities. We wouldn't want to upset the kiddies, would we.

Advance Info is good; i think i've decided not to watch any of the networks. Perhaps the Spanish or other channels will be more honest in what they show us.
25 posted on 08/23/2002 12:42:19 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: toupsie
I applaud Fox News for its restraint.

Restraint in the fight against terrorism is politically correct, too.

26 posted on 08/23/2002 12:45:52 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: Tarheel
There is a fine line between remembering this horrific event and getting hit on the head with it, ad infinitum,to the point that it no longer serves as the reminder of what and why we, as a country, must pursue those responsible, individuals or countries, and get rid of all of them.

Tell that to the History channel, et al re: Holocaust.

27 posted on 08/23/2002 12:48:19 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I agree with Fox.

Why if I hadn't been repeatedly exposed to those films of the Japanese navy planes swooping in on Pearl Harbor on that quiet Sunday morning, I just know I wouldn't carry with me to this very day an alarming animosity to all things Japanese and the firm belief that if it suited their purposes they'd do it again tomorrow.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life hating the devious swine that murdered 3,000 of my fellow citizens and wanting to exterminate them where ever and whenever they are found.

Oh no, I don't want that!

/sarcasm

28 posted on 08/23/2002 12:59:31 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Nephi
Restraint in the fight against terrorism is politically correct, too.

Its not Fox News' job to fight the war on terrorism, that is for our Government. Fox News' job is report on the war so we can see if our Government is doing its job.

29 posted on 08/23/2002 1:04:54 PM PDT by toupsie
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Fox News has announced that they'll show the sequence of the planes hitting the WTC once, then never again.

Unlike the other television media, FNC has shown the planes hitting the WTC many times in the past 11 month

30 posted on 08/23/2002 1:11:00 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Yehuda
They used to be much better. They used to show EVERY single thing listed in the archives. You could watch ALL of the links there, for instance, the entire weeks coverage of CNN starting Sept 11. Now I see they have closed down a lot of links. Pity. It was an EXCELLENT source of seeing it, "the way it was."

Years ago, I had a tape I popped into the VCR everytime interesting news was on. I had Chernobyl, Tianamin Square, the Berlin Wall, the election of Bush 1, etc. I have become convinced the reason news is never rebroadcast because when you see the original weeks later it is amazing how inaccurate they are. They are NEVER on target, and some of the things said are unbelievable.

When I first saw the 9-11 archive, I watched almost all of it over a matter of weeks. The point that struck me the most was very few anchors thought it was intentional. They kept thinking it was an accident. They kept asking stupid questions such as is there something wrong with the air traffic control, even after the 2nd crash. Very few jumped to the conclusion of a terrorist attack. And yes, Peter Jennings made a comment about is this a response for all the things America has done in the world.

By the way, America attacks is on CNNFN tommorrow at 2. I hope it is as good as the first one.

31 posted on 08/23/2002 3:45:03 PM PDT by I still care
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To: BrooklynGOP; toupsie
As someone that lives 1/2 mile north of what was the World Trade Center in NYC, I think Fox News is being very responsible. We all know what happened on 9/11/01 there is no need to see those planes slam into what was the World Trade Center over and over and over like we did during the first month after the atrocity.

The problem here is that, while everyone knows on some sort of indistinct, intellectual, level what happened, if we refuse to look at the footage we deny ourselves the truth of what happened.

In many criminal cases, including murders and rapes, there are pictures of what the victim went through. A good prosecutor knows to show those pictures to the jury, even though it would be tough on the victim or victim's family.

Why?

Because even though the jury has heard what happened, it doesn't hit home how heinous the crime was until they SEE what happened.

The "jury," in this case the American people, may have "heard" what happened, but they are starting to forget. They need to see it again. Otherwise, and we are seeing it happen already, they start to forget the true horror and return to complacency (for example, look at the way people want to call this a tragedy. It was not a tragedy. That implies some sort of accident. THIS WAS MASS MURDER).

The footage must be shown. Not for the victims. Not for the neighbors. But for the nation. We cannot allow the media to shield us from the true horror and, in doing so, shield us from the resolve we need.

32 posted on 08/23/2002 4:06:36 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Britton J Wingfield; All
While I'm always one to encourage making your voices heard when it comes to media, etc., etc....... I only ask that everyone keep in mind, if you contact FNC, that that network is the ONE breath of fresh air on the airwaves these days (when it comes to TV / cable, that is). They've done a superb job, they have fantastic news shows that truly DO show both sides of the story, and I'm damned glad they're around. Just asking that we NOT attack them; just offer up an opinion, please.
33 posted on 08/23/2002 4:14:13 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Britton J Wingfield
What should be replayed is the 2 hour documentary filmed by the two French brothers shown on CBS. That was magnificent.

About Fox, they have had many features on 9/11 and had one just this past weekend. I think that they have done a good job over the past year with reporting about 9/11 and will this year in remeberance. No need to freep them.
34 posted on 08/23/2002 4:41:34 PM PDT by IVote2
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To: toupsie
Its not Fox News' job to fight the war on terrorism,

I thought that's why they hired Commando Whorealdo?

Seriously, you're an idiot.

35 posted on 08/23/2002 5:16:33 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: I still care
OK, feel free to call me stupid, but despite creating account on site and accessing program detail pages, I see nowhere to click to start viewing. What in the world am I missing?
36 posted on 08/23/2002 5:56:49 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
I am really ticked off, I sent them an email. When they first started the site, EVERY program in the guide could be viewed all the way through. Up until a couple of weeks ago you could see quite a few of them, although some had been closed. Today when I checked it, only the front page links (a minimal amount of viewing) work. It is a shame, I got SO MUCH info from these pages when they began, now they give you edited stuff. Check out my post 31. How disappointing.
37 posted on 08/23/2002 6:20:07 PM PDT by I still care
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To: IVote2
Check out "America Remembers" by CNNFN running the second part this weekend. Part 1 was excellent! And believe it or not, not anti Bush. I normally don't recommend CNN, but this was a GOOD documentary. I felt the French one was too sanitized.
38 posted on 08/23/2002 6:22:56 PM PDT by I still care
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To: toupsie
I agree. I was toatlly immersed in the event as it happened. And, I don't care to relive the experience.

Honor, not horror.
39 posted on 08/23/2002 7:44:16 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: I still care
Thank you for the explanation, although I am torn between irritation that I can't access the links and relief that I'm not an idiot. :)
40 posted on 08/23/2002 7:45:50 PM PDT by agrace
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To: I still care
Several years ago I wrote a script that captured CNN's Video Vault daily. I saved the files from Sept. 11 and 12. Most of the links still work. Here is the list from Sept. 11th.
CNN Video (RA only) 2001/09/11 from http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/11/
ab.jm.timed.attac.cnn.med.ram
amateur.video.affl.med.ram
brown.ensor.cnn.brasil.med.ram
brown.ensor.cnn.med.ram
brown.greenfield.cnn.brasil.med.ram
brown.greenfield.cnn.med.ram
bush.attack.speec.cnn.med.ram
bush.stmt.cnn.brasil.med.ram
bush.stmt.cnn.med.ram
exclusive.crash.cnn.med.ram
eyewitness.crash.wabc.brasil.med.ram
eyewitness.crash.wabc.med.ram
jm.fashion.folly.ny1.brasil.med.ram
jm.fashion.folly.ny1.med.ram
mh.ny.streets.cnn.med.ram
pentagon.coll.wusa.brasil.med.ram
pentagon.coll.wusa.med.ram
pentagon.damage.cnn.med.ram
plane.crash.wabc.brasil.med.ram
plane.crash.wabc.med.ram
plane.hits.wtc.affl.med.ram
pv.tick.tock.affl.med.ram
rd.child.prostit.cnn.med.ram
shelton.briefing.cnn.med.ram
sot.karen.hughes.cnn.med.ram
sot.ny.mayor.cnn.med.ram
sot.pentagon.cnn.med.ram
sot.tony.blair.cnn.brasil.med.ram
sot.tony.blair.cnn.med.ram
taliban.press.1.cnn.med.ram
taliban.press.2.cnn.brasil.med.ram
taliban.press.2.cnn.med.ram
trade.center.fall.affl.brasil.med.ram
trade.center.fall.affl.med.ram
un.kofi.untv.med.ram
vo.witness.trade.abc.brasil.med.ram
vo.witness.trade.abc.med.ram
vo.wtc.2nd.plane.pax.med.ram
vo.wtc.2nd.plane.wpix.med.ram
41 posted on 08/23/2002 10:31:53 PM PDT by TechJunkYard
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And here is the list from Sept. 12th.
CNN Video (RA only) 2001/09/12 from http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/12/
2nd.plane.hits.cnn.med.ram
bd.boston.cnn.med.ram
bush.wednesday.cnn.med.ram
cc.day.after.cnn.med.ram
cf.airlines.future.cnn.brasil.med.ram
cf.airlines.future.cnn.med.ram
cf.secure.airport.affl.brasil.med.ram
cf.secure.airport.affl.med.ram
congress.sings.cnn.brasil.med.ram
congress.sings.cnn.med.ram
df.ny.firefighter.cnn.med.ram
ds.crash.eye.wkyc.med.ram
first.plane.hits.gp.brasil.med.ram
first.plane.hits.gp.med.ram
gc.ny.shutdown.cnn.med.ram
gt.ems.rescuers.cnn.med.ram
gt.ground.zero.amat.med.ram
gt.ground.zero.cnn.med.ram
ja.fbi.briefing.cnn.brasil.med.ram
ja.fbi.briefing.cnn.med.ram
jl.giving.blood.cnn.med.ram
mb.investigation.wcvb.med.ram
mh.empty.nyc.cnn.med.ram
mo.radar.track.affl.med.ram
ms.terrorism.kids.cnn.brasil.med.ram
ms.terrorism.kids.cnn.med.ram
natpkg.cameraman.cnn.brasil.med.ram
natpkg.cameraman.cnn.med.ram
nm.trans.presser.cnn.brasil.med.ram
nm.trans.presser.cnn.med.ram
powell.statement.cnn.med.ram
press.white.house.cnn.brasil.med.ram
press.white.house.cnn.med.ram
pv.tick.tock.affl.med.ram
rumsfeld.address.def.brasil.med.ram
rumsfeld.address.def.med.ram
sc.fla.suspects.affl.brasil.med.ram
sc.fla.suspects.affl.med.ram
sc.so.fla.cnn.brasil.med.ram
sc.so.fla.cnn.med.ram
tg.la.blood.donor.cnn.med.ram
vo.nyc.aftermath.cnn.med.ram
vo.pataki.tours.cnn.med.ram
vosot.family.911.ktvu.med.ram
42 posted on 08/23/2002 10:33:43 PM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Fox News has been showing the shots of 911 ad nauseum since the day it happened. On the one day that they should show them, they've opted for restraint?
43 posted on 08/23/2002 11:13:59 PM PDT by brat
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Fox News has been showing the shots of 911 ad nauseum since the day it happened. On the one day that they should show them, they've opted for restraint? Has anyone watched Nachman on MSNBC? I like the guy and find him an intelligent and quiet alternative to the "younger and smarter" show. They are truly in a rut over there. Same ole, same ole.
44 posted on 08/23/2002 11:15:17 PM PDT by brat
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To: southern rock; 2rightsleftcoast
I think there are a lot of people who feel this way. I need to see it all. I can't even say why really. This was one of the two events in my lifetime that will affect me always (the Challenger explosion being the other - how many times have we seen that replayed?). I am a different person today because of what happened on 9/11. I want to see it.
45 posted on 08/24/2002 6:59:52 AM PDT by itzmygun
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To: toupsie
As someone that lives 1/2 mile north of what was the World Trade Center in NYC, I think Fox News is being very responsible. We all know what happened on 9/11/01 there is no need to see those planes slam into what was the World Trade Center over and over and over like we did during the first month after the atrocity.

As someone who lives about a 1/4 mile (maybe less) from the WTC site, I think that the public needs to see it -- that the effects of it have worn off. For the most part, people who weren't directly affected by the attacks seem to have forgotten just how horrible those first few days felt.

46 posted on 08/25/2002 8:29:33 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: discostu
IMHO I can fully remember the horrors of the day and stay committed to the fight against terrorism WITHOUT barfing all over my TV.

That morning, some of us didn't have the choice to turn the channel and not face it head-on. If I can survive seeing it up close in person (close enough to be showered with glass from the secondary jet fuel explosions in the north tower shortly after it was hit), the rest of the country can watch it on TV without barfing in their living rooms.

47 posted on 08/25/2002 8:33:49 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: IVote2
What should be replayed is the 2 hour documentary filmed by the two French brothers shown on CBS. That was magnificent.

I think that the HBO documentary was better, in that it did a better job (IMO) of capturing what happened that morning.

48 posted on 08/25/2002 8:37:17 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Most of us out here didn't have much of a choice either. Between surreal hypnosis and the fact that even ESPN was covering it all day for the whole week, ths was rather unavoidable. Everybody's gotta make their own decisions, shouldn't speak for other people's stomaches, unless your volunteering to clean if your wrong.
49 posted on 08/26/2002 7:56:54 AM PDT by discostu
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Ah shoot, I haven't seen that one. I don't have HBO, I cancelled it when TimeWarner kept pushing our rates up and up.

Jen
50 posted on 08/26/2002 4:11:53 PM PDT by IVote2
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